Denver Broncos Thread

ReacherCreature · 12-12-2011 12:37AM

I think it's safe to say, in the immediate view, Tebow has won this debate...

ucd.1985 · 12-12-2011 12:45AM

Amazing game.

What an athlete.

Paully D · 12-12-2011 01:00AM

Time for this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNC8xRo9vXY

LuckyLloyd · 12-12-2011 01:00AM

eagle eye wrote: »

When do you decide he is a failure Lloyd? What makes him a failure to you?

When he is not on an NFL roster at QB.

Peyton Manning · 12-12-2011 01:01AM

spillit67 · 12-12-2011 01:03AM

Hilarious

The Bears were leaving him easy passes underneath all of the 4th Q. That's why his stats improved so much. The Bears went prevent to kill time. Fair play he got the TD pass but they were such easy passes to complete.

spiralism · 12-12-2011 01:11AM

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I think it's safe to say, in the immediate view, Tebow has won this debate...

By a knockout. Any criticism is now surely pointed at the long term. However, even that's flawed, Tebow has improved in every single game, especially as a passer since Miami, look at the stats:

@ MIA 13/27, 161, 2 TD, 91.7 RTG - 9 rush 59yds
DET 18/39, 172, TD, INT 56.8 RTG - 10 rush 63 yds
@ OAK 10/21, 124, 2 TD 98.1 RTG - 13 rush 118 yds
@ KC 2/8, 69, TD 102.6 RTG - 9 rush 43 yds, TD
NYJ 9/20, 104 61.2 RTG - 8 rush 68 yds, TD
@ SD 9/18, 143, TD 95.4 RTG - 22 rush, 68 yds
@ MIN 10/15, 205, 2 TD 149.3 RTG - 4 rush, 13 yds
CHI 21/40, 246, TD, INT 68.3 RTG -12 rush 49 yds

Notably in completion, from below 50 in the first 5 he completed 50% against SD, 51% today and 66% against the Vikings. Yardage totals growing too, he's still taking care of the ball (Todays INT was a FANTASTIC play by Peanut Tillman, which Tebow still took the blame for in the press conference there). Every game he's producing at least 1 TD one way or another. Passing TD in every game except Jets. No more than 1 INT in any given game. Lower rating today which i would attribute to a great play by Tillman and a few untimely drops). Either way, he's only improving as a passer, which many were saying is all he needed to do in the first place.

LuckyLloyd · 12-12-2011 01:12AM

Etats360 wrote: »

I'm glad that Teaboe is luckboxing all these wins now. Just means it'll be even more soul crushing when he regresses to the mean.

This sums it up basically.

UnitedIrishman · 12-12-2011 01:14AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm not wondering. So his inevitable failure is delayed a little while. It remains inevitable.

Talk about bull. Just because a player is unorthodox or different you think he's going to fail. If that was the case so many of the worlds great sporting legends would've given up and never become what they did. Tebow is superb because he is different. He has a heart and leadership that is unlike many other seen before. He may fail, so what. Are you/others going to take glory in his failure just as a point of 'I told you so'? Just to be different and be begrudgers? The guy is good and gives everything to his team. As I've said before give me him before half the rookies that think they've made it once they see the dollar signs on the contract.

Stop waiting for his downfall because if there's one thing about this guy he will prove you wrong.

Anyways..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oi_5AKZCa0

spillit67 · 12-12-2011 01:15AM

spiralism wrote: »

By a knockout. Any criticism is now surely pointed at the long term. However, even that's flawed, Tebow has improved in every single game, especially as a passer since Miami, look at the stats:

@ MIA 13/27, 161, 2 TD, 91.7 RTG - 9 rush 59yds
DET 18/39, 172, TD, INT 56.8 RTG - 10 rush 63 yds
@ OAK 10/21, 124, 2 TD 98.1 RTG - 13 rush 118 yds
@ KC 2/8, 69, TD 102.6 RTG - 9 rush 43 yds, TD
NYJ 9/20, 104 61.2 RTG - 8 rush 68 yds, TD
@ SD 9/18, 143, TD 95.4 RTG - 22 rush, 68 yds
@ MIN 10/15, 205, 2 TD 149.3 RTG - 4 rush, 13 yds
CHI 21/40, 246, TD, INT 68.3 RTG -12 rush 49 yds

Notably in completion, from below 50 in the first 5 he completed 50% against SD, 51% today and 66% against the Vikings. Yardage totals growing too, he's still taking care of the ball (Todays INT was a FANTASTIC play by Peanut Tillman, which Tebow still took the blame for in the press conference there). Every game he's producing at least 1 TD one way or another. Passing TD in every game except Jets. No more than 1 INT in any given game. Lower rating today which i would attribute to a great play by Tillman and a few untimely drops). Either way, he's only improving as a passer, which many were saying is all he needed to do in the first place.

I didn't see much improvement in his passing today tbh.

Chucky the tree · 12-12-2011 01:16AM

Shame we lost out on the division title but the long term value of having Denver pin their hopes on Tebow instead of Barkley or RGIII is huge.

Syferus · 12-12-2011 01:16AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

This sums it up basically.

Conversely, how infuriating is it for you for him to be continually proving you wrong? :pac:

spiralism · 12-12-2011 01:21AM

spillit67 wrote: »

I didn't see much improvement in his passing today tbh.

over half his passes again, over 200 yds, 1 freak INT, decisive TD, receivers dropping a ****load of passes too including a TD by Thomas... Against the famed Bears Tampa 2 which gives many QBs (especially running QBs) fits, never mind someone starting his 11th NFL game...ehh he did alright if you ask anyone objective

Chucky the tree · 12-12-2011 01:31AM

Bears pass D is one of the worst in the league in terms of yards given up.

LuckyLloyd · 12-12-2011 01:31AM

Syferus wrote: »

Conversely, how infuriating is it for you for him to be continually proving you wrong? :pac:

As I say, every win will make the ultimate defeat all the sweeter when it arrives.

spillit67 · 12-12-2011 01:31AM

spiralism wrote: »

over half his passes again, over 200 yds, 1 freak INT, decisive TD, receivers dropping a ****load of passes too including a TD by Thomas... Against the famed Bears Tampa 2 which gives many QBs (especially running QBs) fits, never mind someone starting his 11th NFL game...ehh he did alright if you ask anyone objective

His 4th Quarter run of passes came when the Bears dropped back and gave up the middle to him. He throws a decent deep ball when the guy is wide open and fair enough the receiver made a balls of it.

What pass plays were particular special from him there can I ask? The one where he rolled out from the end zone to his left to Decker was nice but again, little coverage. I've yet to see Tebow bisect the defence, throw it into a crowd where it has to be there or it will be picked. Again, his mechanics were dreadful.

spiralism · 12-12-2011 01:44AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Bears pass D is one of the worst in the league in terms of yards given up.

yards are pretty meaningless a lot of the time, especially with the bend-but-don't-break defence they run.

Regarding special plays... he's not going to be Peyton Manning in 11 games, or ever, but one thing is he's still taking care of the ball, completing more passes, moving the chains.... he's really cut out on the awful passes from his earlier starts, even the incompletions are more routine or just drops.

In terms of special plays though, he's more from the Big Ben school of it, as in, if the games on the line with 2 mins to go and its 3rd and 20 from your own 20 yard line, no better man to escape 2 potential sacks and get the first down on a game winning drive!

Chucky the tree · 12-12-2011 01:53AM

Which the bears executed perfectly today. Only gave up 1 TD and even got two turnovers from Tebow.

spillit67 · 12-12-2011 01:54AM

spiralism wrote: »

yards are pretty meaningless a lot of the time, especially with the bend-but-don't-break defence they run.

Regarding special plays... he's not going to be Peyton Manning in 11 games, or ever, but one thing is he's still taking care of the ball, completing more passes, moving the chains.... he's really cut out on the awful passes from his earlier starts, even the incompletions are more routine or just drops.

In terms of special plays though, he's more from the Big Ben school of it, as in, if the games on the line with 2 mins to go and its 3rd and 20 from your own 20 yard line, no better man to escape 2 potential sacks and get the first down on a game winning drive!

He didn't do that today. The Bears just stopped in the 4Q even trying to track him down and dropped back in Pass D (God knows why, we had been destroying them all game on D). The throws were wide open.

Now against the Jets, that run, that was a bit special. Today, a lot of luck and great stuff from the kicker won it for them.

spiralism · 12-12-2011 02:04AM

spillit67 wrote: »

He didn't do that today. The Bears just stopped in the 4Q even trying to track him down and dropped back in Pass D (God knows why, we had been destroying them all game on D). The throws were wide open.

Now against the Jets, that run, that was a bit special. Today, a lot of luck and great stuff from the kicker won it for them.

That's insane though, they should have known better, to be fair though, drops were killing him and the team when the defence was on form all day, he could well have made the plays at any rate. Why prevent in 2 score game? Bend but don't break obviously, cept they broke.

1 TD could well have been seen as too late, the second drive took about a minute for a long FG and the third clutch drive led to another long FG. That is serious pressure, many a QB would have folded.

He's keeping us in the games like i said, it's not all him, but he's the right man for the type of team we are.

LuckyLloyd · 12-12-2011 06:37AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Which the bears executed perfectly today. Only gave up 1 TD and even got two turnovers from Tebow.

Tebow really plays great defense though, doesn't he?

Morrisseeee · 12-12-2011 10:52AM

Woweeeeeee another win, another exciting finish, another game where you're thinking "no, it's not possible to win this, but but......I must believe" :eek::cool:
I don't think my heart can stand any more of these finishes tho :pac: and yet when it's over and we've come out on the winning side, I want more !!
It was looking bleak in the 4th Q tho, 5 minutes to go, 10-0 down, and Tebow was like 3 of 15 for 46yards 1 int, not good !! but...........he (& the team) find a way to WIN, and that's the most important thing.
Next week is a biggie, I can't see us winning, but my head has being saying that for quite some time now, and my heart says we can, and more importantly Tim says we can

LOL to all the guys who are waiting (patiently) for Tim's demise, no doubt if we loose next week Tebowmania will cease & Tebowbashing will commence.

Chucky the tree wrote:

Shame we lost out on the division title but the long term value of having Denver pin their hopes on Tebow instead of Barkley or RGIII is huge.

Shame indeed :pac:. Seriously tho, this is an important point, and one that Elway & the club are seriously scratching their heads over, do we pin our hopes on Tebow (a winner), but his passing has to improve (alot), or do we go with a young QB who is a more natural passer (but maybe not a winner)

Paully D · 12-12-2011 11:34AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm not wondering. So his inevitable failure is delayed a little while. It remains inevitable.

How many games does he have to win as a QB for people to start giving him a bit of credit?

I honestly think if he played for another ten years and for whatever reason didn't get on a roster after that people would jump on saying ''hate to say I told you so all those years ago, he's a failure''.

Morrisseeee · 12-12-2011 11:39AM

Paully D wrote: »

How many games does he have to win as a QB for people to start giving him a bit of credit?

I honestly think if he played for another ten years and for whatever reason didn't get on a roster after that people would jump on saying ''hate to say I told you so all those years ago, he's a failure''.

Yeah but they'd be in a white suit in a white padded room :pac:

It's like this: it aint over till.................Tim says so..............OK

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Chucky the tree · 12-12-2011 12:10PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Tebow really plays great defense though, doesn't he?

He was excellent on defense again but what really impressed me was Tebows special teams play. Those clutch kicks he made from the 59 and 51 were OMG!!!111!!!! amazing. Just like Tebow really.

Paully D wrote: »

How many games does he have to win as a QB for people to start giving him a bit of credit?

I honestly think if he played for another ten years and for whatever reason didn't get on a roster after that people would jump on saying ''hate to say I told you so all those years ago, he's a failure''.

It's not about winning games. I'd be far impressed with him as a quarterback if he lost games but showed he could actually throw a ball.

bruschi · 12-12-2011 12:38PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He was excellent on defense again but what really impressed me was Tebows special teams play. Those clutch kicks he made from the 59 and 51 were OMG!!!111!!!! amazing. Just like Tebow really.

It's not about winning games. I'd be far impressed with him as a quarterback if he lost games but showed he could actually throw a ball.

ie Cam Newton. Cam came out with a lot of debate on whether or not he will make it, and personally, I had no real opnion one way or the other, but I certainly can see him doing really well. He is settling in with Carolina, and is learning the game, playing well, making mistakes, and the team is gelling with him. He has been given time to settle in, and isnt winning every game, but its clear to see that a franchises future can be built around him.

Only saw highlights of the game last night. but credit to Tebow, when it was needed he produced the goods. Its rare though to have a kicker have so many game winning kicks but be so much off the radar in comparison.

Again, nothing at all to do with Tebow, but the media really do have a field day over him, and I still dont think it is doing him any good. he is trying to deflect it, but it just will not shift. Cam set a rushing TD record, and there isnt much noise about it. Its an ideal situation for him, being left to settle in. Tebow has been put on a huge pedastal that is getting bigger every week, and personally, I cant see him staying on it. Doing well so far, but there is only so many times scoring less than 20 points will keep winning you games.

Johnny_Fontane · 12-12-2011 01:16PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's not about winning games. I'd be far impressed with him as a quarterback if he lost games but showed he could actually throw a ball.

trust this is a piss take. You can see he is already getting better at throwing the ball. Week on week, he is improving.

You cant but be in admiration of what he is bringing to this team. Apparently Prater was kicking 70 yard field goals before the game and at mile high, 50 yarders are not uncommon.

I think the Tebow effect on this team is what people should be talking about. He could torch that pats secondary next week and we will be back talking about it ad nauseum.

Chucky the tree · 12-12-2011 01:24PM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

trust this is a piss take. You can see he is already getting better at throwing the ball. Week on week, he is improving.

You cant but be in admiration of what he is bringing to this team. Apparently Prater was kicking 70 yard field goals before the game and at mile high, 50 yarders are not uncommon.

I think the Tebow effect on this team is what people should be talking about. He could torch that pats secondary next week and we will be back talking about it ad nauseum.

Not the winning part at all. He's improving but he still can't throw a ball well. He's just not as horrendous as he was before. Although if he can torch the elite Pats secondary then he's definitly shown me he is an excellent QB!

Johnny_Fontane · 12-12-2011 01:34PM

dan orlovsky (ok, most during garbage time) and rex grossman tore into the pats secondary.....in the last two weeks.

Who knows what Tebow will do. Thats why we love him!

tallaghtoutlaws · 12-12-2011 01:45PM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

dan orlovsky (ok, most during garbage time) and rex grossman tore into the pats secondary.....in the last two weeks.

Who knows what Tebow will do. Thats why we love him!

I think you missed his sarcasm dude.

The problem with the Pats game for Tebow is if his defense don't keep the score close for him will Tebow be able to start the game the way he finishes them? Detroit showed us what happens if you open up on the Broncos Tebow's late comebacks are irrelevant.

As a Pats fan I fear we will get sucked in like other teams and implode defensively and considering our secondary is already sh1te that aint a good thing. But offensively I do feel the Broncos have a hard task on their hands.

The question for me Sunday will be can Tebow come straight of the gates and go toe to toe with Brady. Because if anything this is going to be an offensive battle. Denver's defense isnt amazing and neither is the Pats.

As a Broncos fan you surely must worry about what happens if Brady and Co open up early and you and its a decent sized game. Will a 4th Quarter comeback be good enough?

Knowing the Pats though this will be a tight affair.

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