Pornstar teaches kids to read

Eh, its been done before:

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/love-sex/the-middleclass-teacher-who-led-a-secret-double-life-as-a-porn-star-2265898.html

Einhard wrote: »

Hmmm, some of the responses are a bit strange here. Posters seem to be trying to equate reservations about having as a teacher a woman who partook in brutal, degrading sex scenes for money with sexual prudery, and a desire to return to the Ireland of the squinting windows. Sorry, but that just doesn't compute.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't see what relevance her past career has to her ability to teach. Is she a good teacher? Do kids learn well while being taught by her? Who cares beyond that?

Also: the reason people are equating this with sexual prudery is because the woman was described as a filthy slut by the OP.

Einhard wrote: »

I don't agree with that. Research indicates that teachers are hugely influential role models for young people. Kids subliminate all manner of attitudes, manners, behaviourisms from their teachers. It's why teacher training deals with so much more than just academic instruction these days.I'm not condemning Sasha Grey in stating this, but I think it's pretty obvious that working in the sex industry, and especially in the more extreme areas of it, is indicative of a certain personality, and outlook on life. I'm not 100% certain that I'd want somebody like that in direct, unsupervised contact with my (imaginary!) child for 6 hours a day.

And that's before one takes into account the media and tech savviness of kids nowadays. It would only be a matter of time before they got wind of the furore about Grey, and nvestigated the matter for themselves. I dunno about you , but I'd rather not my kid googleing their teacher and finding her servicing two men at once with her back passage!!:D

Because when a child watches hardcore pornography unsupervised on their computer at home, it's their teacher's fault and not their parents'.

And what personality and outlook in a porn actor or actress makes them unsuitable to teach children? Enlighten me...

desertcircus wrote: »

Because when a child watches hardcore pornography unsupervised on their computer at home, it's their teacher's fault and not their parents'.

That's not what I said at all. Nice try at dodging my point though. Children will, occasionally, get access to the internet unsupervised. Generally speaking, nothing particularly alarming will result of it because kids are too innocent to actively search for the kind of things that might harm them.

However, they would see nothing wring with googling the name of their teacher, and generally speaking they would find nothing particularly alarming. Type in Ms Sasha Grey however, and they see something that I'm sure most parents would not want their kids viewing. Do you see my point now?

And what personality and outlook in a porn actor or actress makes them unsuitable to teach children? Enlighten me...

Sasha Grey isn't just any old porn actress. She partakes in a particularly nasty, degrading form of sex. The point in her movies isn't mutual pleasure, but rather that men would derive pleasure from degrading her body. Thus, they ejaculate in her eyes whilst calling her "whore", bitch" etc. That, and the fact that porn stars in general often have serious psychological issues, would suggest to me at least that she wouldn't have the most healthy self image, and definitely wouldn't have a healthy concept of gender relations. Enlightened?

flutterflye wrote: »

What research are you referring to???

Cohen, Kyriacou, Ganniway, Harvey, Prather, White, Hoffmeister, Rogers...

And many more. There's a lot of research out there showing that the self-image and consequent attitudes of the teacher are crucial in developing those of the child, especially at an early age. I mean, how could it be otherwise? We accept that kids are influenced in who they are by parents and family, by friends and peers, and by tv and other media, but yet it's a bridge too far to contemplate that teachers, with whom they spent up to 6 hours a day, also influence their personal development?

Do you have kids yourself?
If so, do you know the ins and outs of their teacher's personal lives??

I don't have kids, and I wouldn't necessarily know about the personal lives of their teachers if I had. I'm not sure how that changes things though. Are you suggesting that, because one doesn't actively know of an issue with a teacher, that the issue can't be concerning in the hypothetical. I don't know any teachers who self-harm, but if I had kids, I would definitely have concerns about someone with such issues teaching them. You seem to be of the opinion that it would be hunky dory as long as you didn't know about it. Smacks a little too much of "hear no evil, see no evil" for my liking.

(And before someone deliberately misconstrues that: no, I'm not saying that porn is evil...)

So long as the teacher isn't encouraging little girls to bend over and moan, and teaching little boys to say things like "suck it b1tch", what is the big deal?

I answered that in my first post. teacher self-image has an impact on that of the children in his or her charge. I'd contend that someone who willingly allows herself to be humiliated and abused by other people has a low self-image. Think for a moment: are you really comfortable with having as a teacher of your kids, a woman who allowed men ejaculate in her eyes as they called her degrading names?

I'm not condemning Grey for what she did, and I'm not making moral judgements.

A porn star is a person at the end of the day.
They can be mothers and wives, daughters, sisters, friends, and so on.
They might enjoy food shopping on a Wednesday, going to night classes to learn law on Thursdays, minding their nieces and nephews over the weekend - who knows what anyone does.

So might paedophiles. I'm not seeing your point.

The lives people lead, and the people they meet, and the cultures they experience, all do shape the person you are, how you view and interact with the world.

But that is not to say that a person must be stereotyped into one category.

People are more than the sum of their parts.

I agree completely. I'm not stating that Sasha Grey can't be a teacher because she was a porn star, but rather that the activity she partook in, and the extent to which she consented to degrade and humiliate herself for the gratification of others, would raise questions about her self-image, her psychological well being, and her view of gender relations. The porn that Sasha Grey was involved in had nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with power- the sexual power of men over women. I don't want a person who subscribes to that kind of unequal power structure teaching a daughter of mine, and I doubt you do either frankly.

There is absolutely nothing to say that a former porn star cannot make a good teacher.

I absolutely disagree. There is much that disqualifies former porn stars from teaching careers, especially those such as Grey who involved themselves in such degrading, and misogynistic forms of porn.

It would be complete discrimination to exclude a certain societal view of a 'type' of person, from perusing a career which they may or may not excel at.

It's not prejudice as you are seeking to label it, but an opinion that is based both on common sense, and research. There is far more to teaching than simply getting across the curriculum or syllabus in a satisfactory manner, and I think you're ignoring that.

flutterflye wrote: »

Miss Byrne, your primary school art teacher could have been involved in amateur porn for all you know, but yet was a wonderful teacher.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree for the most part, but I can't let this go. Are you seriously suggesting that, as long as we don't find out, it doesn't matter what our children's teachers get up to? That it's perfectly acceptable if Mr Ryan is a sexual sadist who gets his kicks throught he humiliation of women just as long as we don't find out? Even worse, that if we do find out, sure it's no big deal.

PS: I'm not talking about Miss Byrne the one time amateur porn star. I'm talking about the deep seated misogyny evident in the type of porn that Sasha Grey partook in. To allow that kind of thing to be done to your person reveals an inherent dysfunction IMO.

Einhard wrote: »

I think we'll have to agree to disagree for the most part, but I can't let this go. Are you seriously suggesting that, as long as we don't find out, it doesn't matter what our children's teachers get up to? That it's perfectly acceptable if Mr Ryan is a sexual sadist who gets his kicks throught he humiliation of women just as long as we don't find out? Even worse, that if we do find out, sure it's no big deal.

PS: I'm not talking about Miss Byrne the one time amateur porn star. I'm talking about the deep seated misogyny evident in the type of porn that Sasha Grey partook in. To allow that kind of thing to be done to your person reveals an inherent dysfunction IMO.

If you had read my posts properly, you would see where I said about how once there is no imminent or potential danger, from either active or past behaviours, then I do not take issue with any lifestyle choice a teacher makes or made.

So by this I mean abusing drugs regularly, being an alcoholic, being manic and not on meds, a history of violence or sexual assault etc etc etc...

I do not know the ins and outs of Sasha Grey or her career, I'm only going by posts on here and am mostly speaking hypothetically anyway.

I do understand now where you are coming from a bit more.
You believe that someone who must be so deeply troubled would impact badly on children if she were to teach them??

Well, she very well may be deeply troubled, but that may not have any bearing on her as a teacher.
If we are speaking of this particular case, then she is only a reading assistant, so even sillier to be worried about this.

I know a woman who has suffered with many many many bouts of deep depression, and used to use cocaine and other drugs on a regular basis.
She had an eating disorder at one point, and was in an abusive relationship with an alcoholic for many years.
This woman is a lovely, kind, caring woman.
She has spent many years working through her pain.
She now works as a drama teacher, and has done for a few years now.
The kids love her, the parents love her, she is fantastic at her job.
Doubt any of the parents know anything of her troubles, but why should they?

flutterflye wrote: »

If you had read my posts properly, you would see where I said about how once there is no imminent or potential danger, from either active or past behaviours, then I do not take issue with any lifestyle choice a teacher makes or made.

So by this I mean abusing drugs regularly, being an alcoholic, being manic and not on meds, a history of violence or sexual assault etc etc etc...

A man who enjoys sexual sadism with consenting adult women isn't necessarily a threat to young children.

I do not know the ins and outs of Sasha Grey or her career, I'm only going by posts on here and am mostly speaking hypothetically anyway.

I think if you knew something of her career, you might change your mind somewhat.

I do understand now where you are coming from a bit more.
You believe that someone who must be so deeply troubled would impact badly on children if she were to teach them??

Exactly.

Well, she very well may be deeply troubled, but that may not have any bearing on her as a teacher.

Ah come on now!! You don't think that deep psychological issues qisqualifies people from working with impressionable young children???

If we are speaking of this particular case, then she is only a reading assistant, so even sillier to be worried about this.

Oh I'm not worried about this incident. I was just arguing the point made by others that there's no reason why she couldn't be a teacher.

I know a woman who has suffered with many many many bouts of deep depression, and used to use cocaine and other drugs on a regular basis.
She had an eating disorder at one point, and was in an abusive relationship with an alcoholic for many years.

This woman is a lovely, kind, caring woman.
She has spent many years working through her pain.
She now works as a drama teacher, and has done for a few years now.
The kids love her, the parents love her, she is fantastic at her job.
Doubt any of the parents know anything of her troubles, but why should they?

Firstly, Sasha Grey is out of the porn industry for about 18 months, so i don't think the analogy is valid. Also, if this woman's past did come to light, I can see why parents might raise concerns. Personally, as long as I was satisfied that her troubles were behind her, and that she had been psychologically evaluated and passed fit, I wouldn't have a problem with her teaching my kids.

However, if there were dozens of videos of her on the net downing vodka and snorting cocaine, I might have another opinion...

If children googling her name is a sufficient reason to disqualify her, does that mean that all women called Sasha Grey should be barred from teaching lest their pupils google the name?

And as for the psychological self-image idea: I could understand that, except for two problems. One is that we don't screen teachers for such problems at the moment, so I don't see why imposing such a condition in this case makes sense. The second is that even if people involved in pornography do tend to have psychological issues at a higher rate than the general population, that tells us nothing about whether Sasha Grey has those issues. In any interview with her I've read she seems intelligent, well-adjusted and likeable. She has described her porn career as a way of testing the boundaries of her personal sexual kinks in a totally safe environment while making a living from it, so I see no reason to assume she's messed up.

MungBean wrote: »

You had me up until the felching. Call me old fashioned but I dont think a good 50 man gangbang should be degraded with stuff like that. It just brings the tone of the whole thing down.

Ah, we have a traditionalist I see.