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To those getting shafted by college fees

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  • #32
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    DB21 wrote: »
    Most students are now on €1 per day. This is the reality of our situation. And registration fees are set to rise again.
    http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lilcc2yUfp1qboxvdo1_500.jpg


  • #33
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Jesus, you would swear I was putting a gun to the head of every student:D It's a suggestion. Won't apply to a lot of people, I get that. It is however another option to consider if it is within your reach. And by that, I am not talking simply in financial terms. Not everyone is going to like leaving the country. Ireland is a great country imo, home sickness is a factor to consider.

    Unlike the top brass, my "solution" at least has some merit beyond simply putting on a show that student fees will decrease. The powers that be have more cuts lined up for the future, that much you can bank on.


  • #34
    ciara1052
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭ciara1052


    elefant wrote: »
    No fees except registration in Belgium or the Netherlands, even for Masters courses. Registration is around 600 and 1700 respectively I think, but that's a whole lot less than the the 7 or so grand you'd pay for a masters in Ireland.

    Also, in the Netherlands, if you're lucky enough to find a job the Dutch government will pay you a grant and give you a free transport card. You're also eligible to get rent allowance from the government, but I'm not sure just how much this covers.

    Are you sure you've checked for english language courses? The two schools I checked had fees only for english courses. I could have enrolled for free all right in the course not in english provided I passed an interview. I wouldn't be able to do chemistry through a foreign language....IF you're right and there is an option where I can study a course through english, and if fees increase to 10k here I shall have to look into doing my science degree elsewhere.


  • #35
    ciara1052
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭ciara1052


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    Yeah, look where that has got us :rolleyes:

    Investing in education is not why we're in the situation we're in. Might have something to do with *insert appropriate here* - e.g. overpaid politicians, that whole bank thing...


  • #36
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    Be a bit awkward to have to learn Finnish before starting your degree though . . .

    Dunno about Finland but in the Netherlands a lot of University courses are done through English.

    Not sure what fees/living costs are like but Ive heard of increasing numbers UK students going over there since the fee increases in the UK.

    Of course if the Irish education "system" wasnt so embarrassingly shyte when it came to teaching continental languages............


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  • #37
    DB21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭DB21


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lilcc2yUfp1qboxvdo1_500.jpg

    My sides a splitting. Never before have I seen such wit. Thanks for you valuable contribution to this debate.

    Edit: Useless post has been reported, FYI.


  • #38
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    ciara1052 wrote: »
    Investing in education is not why we're in the situation we're in. Might have something to do with *insert appropriate here* - e.g. overpaid politicians, that whole bank thing...
    If only we had an Art student to cry STOP!


  • #39
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lilcc2yUfp1qboxvdo1_500.jpg
    Look at it this way, if you were to go on the dole, you would earn more than twice what I have in a week. For sitting on your hole.

    Don't even lark about college students not doing anything, because by God, I would say I do equal, if not more hours than you in a week, plus hours upon god damn hours of assignments and study.

    Currently, I can expect to do 44 hours of raw lectures, tutorials and labs in a week. Toss on another 20 hours for getting from Arklow to Bolton St and back, as I can't afford to live nearer. Ticket is 49.50€ a week.

    I can also mark in a minimum of 15 hours of study and assignments a week, and its a goddamn miracle I get any sleep at all.

    It is a ridiculous position to be in, when you're being told by someone on the internet, without a clue of your circumstances, that you should be paying for college, when you have to think long and hard about buying lunch for yourself, in case you'll run out of money.

    Of course, somebody will probably make a rebuttal involving parents paying for college, but of course, my family is currently living slightly above sustainance level, due to my dad being dead, so I doubt I'll be able to continue college if fees are introduced. If your bitter about someone being in college, get over it, there's buck nothing stopping you from being a mature student.


  • #40
    conno3001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭conno3001


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    Amazing to always hear of college students being hard done by, a lot of my friends are students and they go drinking 4-5 nights a week so maybe if they didn't piss all there money up the wall they might be able to pay their own college fees rather than the working tax payer footing the bill!

    I'm working every Friday and Saturday night 11pm - 8am as a Night porter, I go to college 5 days a week 9-5. Perhaps some students can afford to go out 4-5 nights drinking every week but to generalise like that is just ridiculous. I'm barely keeping my head above water as it is, not all of us come from homes that can afford to support their kids. If it was not for the grant I doubt I would have the means and the stamina to go to college for four years. I come from a one parent family, my mother has a low wage job, she doesn't support me financially nor could she.

    So please, don't give me that ****e.


  • #41
    Flecktarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭Flecktarn


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    Yeah, look where that has got us :rolleyes:

    Wow the generalizations are really flying from you tonight.


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  • #42
    irishdude11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭irishdude11


    ciara1052 wrote: »
    Are you sure you've checked for english language courses? The two schools I checked had fees only for english courses. I could have enrolled for free all right in the course not in english provided I passed an interview. I wouldn't be able to do chemistry through a foreign language....IF you're right and there is an option where I can study a course through english, and if fees increase to 10k here I shall have to look into doing my science degree elsewhere.

    Where are you getting this idea that they would bring in fees for existing students? That would instantly put tens of thousands out onto the dole in the middle of their degrees. There is no way in hell that would go through the Dail. If they bring back full fees it will be for people yet to start college.


  • #43
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    Look at it this way, if you were to go on the dole, you would earn more than twice what I have in a week. For sitting on your hole.

    Don't even lark about college students not doing anything, because by God, I would say I do equal, if not more hours than you in a week, plus hours upon god damn hours of assignments and study.

    Currently, I can expect to do 44 hours of raw lectures, tutorials and labs in a week. Toss on another 20 hours for getting from Arklow to Bolton St and back, as I can't afford to live nearer. Ticket is 49.50€ a week.

    I can also mark in a minimum of 15 hours of study and assignments a week, and its a goddamn miracle I get any sleep at all.

    It is a ridiculous position to be in, when you're being told by someone on the internet, without a clue of your circumstances, that you should be paying for college, when you have to think long and hard about buying lunch for yourself, in case you'll run out of money.

    Of course, somebody will probably make a rebuttal involving parents paying for college, but of course, my family is currently living slightly above sustainance level, due to my dad being dead, so I doubt I'll be able to continue college if fees are introduced. If your bitter about someone being in college, get over it, there's buck nothing stopping you from being a mature student.
    Then leave college and go on the dole if it's that handy?

    Mature student??? I never went to college nor do I need to, I have a perfectly good job that pays me a great wage so no college needed.


  • #44
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    Be a bit awkward to have to learn Finnish before starting your degree though . . .

    Not necessarily. Many courses abroad are done through English, with the Sciences being the main type.


  • #45
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    Look at it this way, if you were to go on the dole, you would earn more than twice what I have in a week. For sitting on your hole.

    Don't even lark about college students not doing anything, because by God, I would say I do equal, if not more hours than you in a week, plus hours upon god damn hours of assignments and study.

    Currently, I can expect to do 44 hours of raw lectures, tutorials and labs in a week. Toss on another 20 hours for getting from Arklow to Bolton St and back, as I can't afford to live nearer. Ticket is 49.50€ a week.

    I can also mark in a minimum of 15 hours of study and assignments a week, and its a goddamn miracle I get any sleep at all.

    It is a ridiculous position to be in, when you're being told by someone on the internet, without a clue of your circumstances, that you should be paying for college, when you have to think long and hard about buying lunch for yourself, in case you'll run out of money.

    Of course, somebody will probably make a rebuttal involving parents paying for college, but of course, my family is currently living slightly above sustainance level, due to my dad being dead, so I doubt I'll be able to continue college if fees are introduced. If your bitter about someone being in college, get over it, there's buck nothing dropping you from being a mature student.

    Socialism is a form of legalised theft, as they say:)There are a certain number of people on the grant that should have never been given it. A drinking degree essentially. We have some very strange priorities in this country. Irish people hate to see anybody make something of themselves. We favour the Institution to provide. At least historically speaking. The dole should not be a ****ing life choice.

    There is an incentive in this country to subsidise the criminally idle at the expense of those who seek to bring about actual wealth. This is wrong. We punish Enterprise in this country. It's amazing at all how we attract foreign investment at all. I am all for social welfare, provided it's carried out in a fair manner and isn't preached as a life choice.


  • #46
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    conno3001 wrote: »
    I'm working every Friday and Saturday night 11pm - 8am as a Night porter, I go to college 5 days a week 9-5. Perhaps some students can afford to go out 4-5 nights drinking every week but to generalise like that is just ridiculous. I'm barely keeping my head above water as it is, not all of us come from homes that can afford to support their kids. If it was not for the grant I doubt I would have the means and the stamina to go to college for four years. I come from a one parent family, my mother has a low wage job, she doesn't support me financially nor could she.

    So please, don't give me that ****e.
    You work 18 hours p/w and you are getting a state grant, what more do you want?


  • #47
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    Then leave college and go on the dole if it's that handy?

    No thanks, I'd rather make something out of my life than just be a freeloader.


  • #48
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Socialism is a form of legalised theft, as they say:)There are a certain number of people on the grant that should have never been given it. A drinking degree essentially. We have some very strange priorities in this country. Irish people hate to see anybody make something of themselves. We favour the Institution to provide. At least historically speaking. The dole should not be a ****ing life choice.

    There is an incentive in this country to subsidise the criminally idle at the expense of those who seek to bring about actual wealth. This is wrong. We punish Enterprise in this country. It's amazing at all how we attract foreign investment at all. I am all for social welfare, provided it's carried out in a fair manner and isn't preached as a life choice.
    Agree!

    There are people in college claiming a grant that really have no interest in bettering themselves, I was talking to a girl one night and she was saying how much she hated been in college and her early morning lectures, I said sure why don't you leave then, she replied "oh, I'm too young to get a job, I have the grant so I want to enjoy myself for a few years first". :rolleyes:


  • #49
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    No thanks, I'd rather make something out of my life than just be a freeloader.

    If you could stop bitching about it while you're at it that would be just swell.


  • #50
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    amacachi wrote: »
    If you could stop bitching about it while you're at it that would be just swell.

    He made a very valid point. Your argument would have credence had he made more than one post on the topic.


  • #51
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    He made a very valid point. Your argument would have credence had he made more than one post on the topic.
    Is there a post limit before someone can post?


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  • #52
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    Is there a post limit before someone can post?

    No, I am just saying the guy was complaining about the "bitching" despite his rant being contained to a single post. Ranting typically involves multiple posts bordering on Trolling. We may not agree with his statements, but he is entitled to state his position.

    END:cool:


  • #53
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    No, I am just saying the guy was complaining about the "bitching" despite his rant being contained to a single post. Ranting typically involves multiple posts bordering on Trolling. We may not agree with his statements, but he is entitled to state his position.

    END:cool:

    Three posts. I said bitching, not ranting. There's a difference.


  • #54
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    amacachi wrote: »
    Three posts.

    Only one mentioned my situation, was what was being said.


  • #55
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    Domo230 wrote: »
    I cant afford college here, have yet to find a job and am not dole eligible.

    I considered travelling abroad for work but never thought about it for education until now. Where can I find out more about what countries would offer me a cheaper education than the one I can not afford to get here.

    I really feel out of options at the moment. I wan't to work hard and contribute, start getting things together but I really feel like I am low on options.
    What makes you think you can't claim dole?


  • #56
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    Only one mentioned my situation, was what was being said.

    There was the one I quoted, one about Arts students being the lazy ones and this. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75355374&postcount=39


  • #57
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Domo230 wrote: »
    I cant afford college here, have yet to find a job and am not dole eligible.

    I considered travelling abroad for work but never thought about it for education until now. Where can I find out more about what countries would offer me a cheaper education than the one I can not afford to get here.

    I really feel out of options at the moment. I wan't to work hard and contribute, start getting things together but I really feel like I am low on options.

    Norway is a good bet. They have no fees even for non european citizens. Now that is pushing it a bit, but it goes to show how much they value education. They have essentially put their money where their mouth is. High cost index, but this is offset by a high minimum wage. If you eventually want to do a masters at 15k and the like, it's a no brainer. Postgrad stuff is very expensive here. Even if living isn't the cheapest.

    http://www.studyinnorway.no/sn/Tuition-Scholarships


  • #58
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Norway is a good bet. They have no fees even for non european citizens. Now that is pushing it a bit, but it goes to show how much they value education. They have essentially put their money where their mouth is. High cost index, but this is offset by a high minimum wage.

    http://www.studyinnorway.no/sn/Tuition-Scholarships
    What is the minimum wage there? (to lazy to google)


  • #59
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    amacachi wrote: »
    There was the one I quoted, one about Arts students being the lazy ones and this. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75355374&postcount=39

    Yet only the linked one was discussing the topic of my finances.


  • #60
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Cill Dara Abu wrote: »
    What is the minimum wage there? (to lazy to google)

    I am wrong on that count. There is no established minimum:( Not to mention they have high taxation.


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  • #61
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    I am wrong on that count. There is no established minimum:( Not to mention they have high taxation.
    Thought so... not too bad here after all eh.


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