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Rangers FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/2013

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    So they have 'evidence' which is 11 years old, and never led to any punishment.

    Nice one BBC, way to set yourself up for the fall.

    edit: And now he fled the country ? He didn't just decide to live somewhere else, but fled the country... Any proof of that ?
    Sunday Mirror, January 27, 2008 -

    Defaulty Towers

    A MILLIONAIRE who fled Scotland under the shadow of a tax probe and £4million debts has returned home after buying a Scottish castle.
    Craig Whyte, 39, vanished nine years ago, leaving behind a controversial career, lawsuits and multi-millionpound debts.
    The Scots entrepreneur once dubbed "the next Richard Branson" was accused of failing to pay his employees' wages and was at the centre of a massive tax investigation by the Inland Revenue.
    But after fleeing to the tax haven of Monte Carlo, where he continued with an extravagant lifestyle, he has now made an equally extravagant return to Scotland.
    Whyte is back home after forking out a colossal £720,000 for a Scottish castle. He and wife Kim have snapped up Castle Grant in Grantown-On-Spey, Moray.
    The ancient ancestral seat of the chiefs of the Grant Clan, the 15th-century castle sits on a small hill around a mile north of the town.
    It contains dozens of rooms, one of which is a massive dining hall. In recent years, it has been a popular visitor attraction for Grants from all over the world, who see the castle as their ancestral home.

    After being listed alongside the likes of David Beckham and Prince Naseem Hamed as among Britain's richest young people in 1999, Whyte's fortunes took a dip.
    His business career started early and by the time he left school, he had amassed a personal fortune of £20,000 by playing the stockmarkets.
    Whyte acquired Vital UK in 1993 and built it into a conglomerate. But it went into voluntary liquidation in 1996, with debts totalling £600,000
    In 1999, a report hinted that he had failed to register some of his employees for PAYE tax.
    The tycoon ended up at the High Court, where his legal team admitted he owed £3.5 million to a single creditor. It was around the same time that members of the 700-strong workforce from his company network even threatened to riot over unpaid wages.
    But despite the allegations and court cases, he insisted in an exclusive interview with the Sunday Mirror at his Monte Carlo home eight years ago that he was debt-free. "I don't owe anyone any money - least of all the taxman," he said.


    The Herald, June 17, 2004 -

    AN ex-associate of one-time Scottish business "whizz- kid" Craig Whyte has surrendered his right to practise as a chartered accountant after admitting professional misconduct.
    Kenneth Murdo Macleod, former director of VH Investments, one of Whyte's many companies, has agreed to resign from membership of the 15,000-strong Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland following a disciplinary probe lasting several years.
    Millionaire playboy Whyte fled from Glasgow to Monaco in 1999 after a government investigation was launched into his business activities. Then aged 30, Whyte, once dubbed "the next David Murray" , was alleged to have masterminded a scheme to hive off hundreds of thousands of pounds to companies in an offshore tax haven.
    A winding-up petition over unpaid wages was launched against his firm, Vital Hold-ings, at the high court in London.


    Daily Mail, February 17, 1999

    AT THE age of 27, Craig Whyte was fabulously wealthy and had a lifestyle to match his millionaire income.
    But three years after he amassed a fortune by hiring out security guards, his business is the subject of a Government investigation and he has debts believed to be around £4million.
    As former employees pursue him through the courts to recover unpaid wages, Mr Whyte has left Scotland and set up home in Monte Carlo.
    The young tycoon was once heralded as the shining star of Scottish industry and listed in the top ten of British 'Rich Kids'.
    His personal wealth of £20million put him ahead of millionaire rock stars such as the Gallagher brothers of Oasis.
    The cash financed luxurious living, including penthouse in a Glasgow waterfront development, a sleek black Mercedes convertible, a powerboat berthed on Loch Lomond and an executive box at Rangers Football Club.
    But Mr Whyte now owes some £3.5million to one creditor and is officially 'insolvent'. He is believed to have created a complicated network of companies extending far beyond Scotland and was responsible for transferring large quantities of money to interests in the tax haven of the Bahamas.

    Companies with which Mr Whyte was connected have folded, staff and suppliers are unpaid and massive VAT and income tax bills are outstanding.
    Liquidators have already passed a report to the Department of Trade and Industry and it is believed that the department of Customs and Excise has launched an investigation.

    His former security company, Vital UK, based in Dennistoun, Glasgow, collapsed with debts of around £750,000 in 1996. Disgruntled employees of another connected firm, Vital Holdings, are lodging an action at the High Court in London in an attempt to win back unpaid wages.
    Whyte launched Vital Holdings when he was 23 and embarked on a process of acquisition, travelling the country buying up plant hire and security businesses to bring under his commercial umbrella.
    At the height of its success in the early Nineties, his security and plant hire company employed around 700 people, but by 1995 it had gone into voluntary liquidation.

    A former acquaintance said: 'When Vital was going belly-up, all of its assets were sold to a company called Pelcroft.
    'Then they were immediately sold to another company which immediately sold them to another company, and on each occasion Craig Whyte organised the transfer.
    'He was just putting things out of reach.' When Vital UK crashed, it owed £33,000 in VAT, £66,500 to trade and in expenses, and £280,000 in income tax.

    The flamboyant entrepreneur, who was once thought of as the next Richard Branson, had a rapid rise to prominence in the business world.
    The former Kelvinside Academy pupil began playing the money markets while still at school, buying his first shares at the age of 15 with the proceeds from various part-time jobs.
    By his mid-20s he had secured the lifestyle he had dreamed of, spending with great passion.
    It seemed he was destined for greatness, and development agencies, desperate to foster the entrepreneurial spirit, held him aloft as a glowing example.
    Perhaps they should first have examined his business track record more closely.
    After leaving school he signed up for a course in accountancy but dropped out and never went back to complete it.
    A company he founded at the age of 20 quickly hit the rocks and was sunk by large debts.

    'You might say it was a valuable experience,' he said philosophically at the time.
    'I would prefer that it hadn't happened but it has reduced the chances of it happening again.' Last night, a spokesman for the liquidators said: 'We have obviously tried to contact Mr Whyte on a number of occasions but we are informed by his lawyer that he is living abroad.' A spokesman at the Glasgow base of Vital Holdings, which continues to trade, said Mr Whyte was unavailable for comment.
    The spokesman said he had issued a statement disputing the allegations made against him and declaring his intention to seek legal redress.
    He added: 'I can't say where Mr Whyte is at the moment, but he is speaking to his solicitors about this.'

    You didnt know this until now? ROFL!
    LOL and they didn't do anything when he came back to the UK OK then ;)

    Read the above bolded


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    karma_ wrote: »
    Might still be time after this programme hits the airwaves, or did it start 10mins ago!

    Eh I think the relevant authorities/people would know that he has been back for some time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    The article by the company that is now being sued ? :P
    Yes.Id nearly take the word of a worldwide respected news organisation over the word of Mr. Whyte.He looks like a baddie in one of those old Batman cartoons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Yeah, because the BBC will use evidence that nobody knew about, are you serious ? (like I said, 11 years old, and this is the first anyone ever heard about this ?).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    Yes.Id nearly take the word of a worldwide respected news organisation over the word of Mr. Whyte.He looks like a baddie in one of those old Batman cartoons.

    Oh feck hang him now :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Oh feck hang him now :rolleyes:
    Ignore it. It is bordering on childish now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    So so far all we've had is some links to companies that may or may not have been dodgy and Whyte bought a house for 750k.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Ignore it. It is bordering on childish now.
    Ya.Those bold bhoys in the BBC making up lots of stories about Mr Whyte:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    Yes.Id nearly take the word of a worldwide respected news organisation over the word of Mr. Whyte.He looks like a baddie in one of those old Batman cartoons.

    BBC Scotland is not exactly worldwide respected.

    And I have absolutely no idea why Dempsey decided to highlight that part of the text, as it doesn't prove anything.
    If he did actually flee from justice, why wasn't he arrested the second he set foot back on Scottish soil ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    My money is on the BBC being right


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    BBC Scotland is not exactly worldwide respected.

    And I have absolutely no idea why Dempsey decided to highlight that part of the text, as it doesn't prove anything.
    If he did actually flee from justice, why wasn't he arrested the second he set foot back on Scottish soil ?

    Oh jaysus, wait and I'll google that for you! :p

    I dont particularly care about the man but he has a dodgy past and ye are in denial like he's some saint!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    Dempsey wrote: »
    My money is on the BBC being right

    That he was part of companies that may have been dodgy, or he bought a 750k house?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    Ya.Those bold bhoys in the BBC making up lots of stories about Mr Whyte:rolleyes:
    You are making the assumption the BBC is right. That is no good in a court.

    Celtic getting pumped again at the minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    That he was part of companies that may have been dodgy, or he bought a 750k house?

    Really? I actually have to answer that?! How about you go back and read what I've posted.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    What have I started!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Oh jaysus, wait and I'll google that for you! :p

    I dont particularly care about the man but he has a dodgy past and ye are in denial like he's some saint!

    This thread seems to suggest otherwise. ;)

    There's a difference between being involved in some dodgy deals, and the pure character assassination the BBC are doing now.
    Funny that Murray hasn't been mentioned even once in this documentary.
    After all, isn't he the one responsible for this whole mess ?

    All the BBC have are allegations and suspicions, and they decide to spend an entire show on it, inviting some of the biggest Rangers haters out there in the process.
    Allow me to be extremely skeptical about their motives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Really? I actually have to answer that?! How about you go back and read what I've posted.

    I was being sarcastic lol...


    There's absolutely no evidence in this programme, its just people talking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You didnt know this until now? ROFL!



    Read the above bolded

    But this has been in the public domain for years but of course he must be guilty the BBC say so :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    You are making the assumption the BBC is right. That is no good in a court.

    Celtic getting pumped again at the minute.

    Pumped 1-1?? :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Just to show the level of the BBC, they just said, and I quote, '7 points clear' (regarding the league table).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Pumped 1-1?? :P
    :pac:

    Damn!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Dempsey wrote: »
    My money is on the BBC being right
    I'd go along with that too.Why are all yee rangers boys so defensive of Whyte? Didnt yeer greatest ever ranger Greig along with Mclelland quit Ibrox recently because of Whyte? Whyte doesnt really seem to have rangers best interests at heart to me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Just to show the level of the BBC, they just said, and I quote, '7 points clear' (regarding the league table).

    I just checked, they are 7 points clear?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    But this has been in the public domain for years but of course he must be guilty the BBC say so :rolleyes:

    The BBC arent the only media outlet to call him out for fraud in recent years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    I'd go along with that too.Why are all yee rangers boys so defensive of Whyte? Didnt yeer greatest ever ranger Greig along with Mclelland quit Ibrox recently because of Whyte? Whyte doesnt really seem to have rangers best interests at heart to me.

    Because this is a hatchet job, without any real proof.

    What Greig or McClelland do is of no importance to me, they signed the letter in the beginning questioning Whyte, of course they wouldn't last long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    karma_ wrote: »
    I just checked, they are 7 points clear?
    thats right Motherwell are in second :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    I'd go along with that too.Why are all yee rangers boys so defensive of Whyte? Didnt yeer greatest ever ranger Greig along with Mclelland quit Ibrox recently because of Whyte? Whyte doesnt really seem to have rangers best interests at heart to me.

    Whyte's done nothing since taking over as Rangers owner to makes us suspicious of him. Greig didn't actually do anything, and the owner is quite rightly allowed to bring his own people in. How does he not? What proof is there of that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    thats right Motherwell are in second :D

    Ah yes, forgot about Motherwell being in second place :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    :pac:

    Damn!

    Thanks Keith, the football ghods heard yer little jibe and smited you!! :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    I didn't watch it and apparently it is finished but I heard it was terrible and didn't have any solid facts?


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