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Would you care if your friend told you they used escorts/prositutes

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    #302
    Turpentine
    Registered Users Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    But they are not selling their dignity!! Or degrading themselves.

    Anyone who is unhappy in their work or doing a job that they feel is beneath them may feel like they are degrading themselves, hence their dignity may take a knock.

    Anyone who is happy in whatever they do will have dignity, no matter what level or type of job that is.

    Someone elses dignity doesn't require your approval.


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    #303
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    Question here cause I'm confused now. Is your problem with the person paying the pros or the person who is a pros? Cause you've just said you're ok with the girl getting paid for sex provided the man is as well, and the only part which changes with the prostitute is that the man isn't getting paid but is paying. The woman, who you were attacking earlier and saying is degrading herself etc, is still doing the exact same thing though (getting paid to provided sexual gratification).

    EDIT: Also, does this mean you're ok with porn? Afterall, both are actors who are doing what they are doing for the same reasons....

    A point id like to make is, actresses do not have sex scenes with full penetration. Its an ACT.
    Also, even if they did, they wouldnt be acting in one of these kinds of movies every day or second day for years on end...

    Just something to put in there.


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    #304
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    But they are not selling their dignity!! Or degrading themselves.

    You're working off the assumption that it's 100% impossible for a woman to actually enjoy casual sex the same way guys do, and NOT find it degrading.

    I agree this is probably very rare, but nobody here has a right to PRESUME that for other people. Just as in any other job you wouldn't enjoy, in fact. You don't have the right to presume that no one would. I personally can't stand gore so I could never be a surgeon, do I therefore have the right to question why ANYONE would?!


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    #305
    Turpentine
    Registered Users Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    A point id like to make is, actresses do not have sex scenes with full penetration. Its an ACT.

    Do you even know what you're talking about?

    Have you seen "The Idiots", or "9 Songs"? Neither are classed as porn but contain full sex.
    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Also, even if they did, they wouldnt be acting in one of these kinds of movies every day or second day for years on end...

    Just something to put in there.

    So no actual pornstar has ever worked for years on end?


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    #306
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Turpentine wrote: »
    Anyone who is unhappy in their work or doing a job that they feel is beneath them may feel like they are degrading themselves, hence their dignity may take a knock.

    Anyone who is happy in whatever they do will have dignity, no matter what level or type of job that is.

    Someone elses dignity doesn't require your approval.

    No it doesnt.
    In this ENTIRE thread I am just arguing MY POINT OF VIEW.
    Never have I said that everyone should share this point of view,
    or that its better or worse, Im just giving my argument, from my stand-point, the way I see things...!!!


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    #307
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,135 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Watch video 1 through 5.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK6ECiARTvA

    Seen it before a few times. Don't really see what it has to do with anything. THe only thing that makes us different is our intelligence and adaptabiity. On a sexual level we're no different.


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    #308
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I certainly don't think anyone has a right to an opinion on someone else's private sexual relationships.

    Its definitely not really any of our business, as in- I wouldnt interfere, or tell someone directly what to do or what not to do.
    But we will have opinions!
    It is different posting on a thread on the topic, to actually getting involved in other peoples private business.

    I think its ok to have an opinion.


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    #309
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Seen it before a few times. Don't really see what it has to do with anything. THe only thing that makes us different is our intelligence and adaptabiity. On a sexual level we're no different.

    Thats stupid.
    Our intelligence is going to be a part of everything we do, including the sex we have!!
    So yes, on a sexual level we can be different... :rolleyes:


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    #310
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,135 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    A point id like to make is, actresses do not have sex scenes with full penetration. Its an ACT.
    Also, even if they did, they wouldnt be acting in one of these kinds of movies every day or second day for years on end...

    Just something to put in there.


    I take you've never seen a pornagraphic movie? There's been quite a few non-porno movies with full penetration now too.


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    #311
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    I think Ive posted enough about my opinion on this topic.
    I have tried to explain my opinion and answer peoples questions / replies as best I could.
    I have nothing more to say.
    So now I'm off out, enjoy the rest of the day folks, and happy commenting!


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    #312
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Its definitely not really any of our business, as in- I wouldnt interfere, or tell someone directly what to do or what not to do.
    But we will have opinions!
    It is different posting on a thread on the topic, to actually getting involved in other peoples private business.

    I think its ok to have an opinion.

    So do I, but I don't understand how anyone can be as shockingly judgemental as so many people in this thread (and indeed in this world) are, particularly when it comes to women who don't want to conform to the traditional mentality of waiting to be hunted and only being with one person.

    I know this is a cliched argument but why in God's name do we still have the slut/stud double standard in 2011. Go on about keys and locks all you like, what if someone doesn't WANT to play along with imagined social norms?

    No one would ever call a guy "damaged" or "insecure" because he's had a lot of partners, they'd just high five him. Why is it that if a girl behaves this way there's obviously something "wrong" with her?


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    #313
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I take you've never seen a pornagraphic movie? There's been quite a few non-porno movies with full penetration now too.

    Great. Good for them.


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    #314
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,135 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Thats stupid.
    Our intelligence is going to be a part of everything we do, including the sex we have!!
    So yes, on a sexual level we can be different... :rolleyes:

    Please point out an aspect of sexuality that is not found in the animal kingdom, something tells me you won't be able to by your post.


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    #315
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Please point out an aspect of sexuality that is not found in the animal kingdom, something tells me you won't be able to by your post.

    Go and educate yourself, thats not my job.


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    #316
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    A point id like to make is, actresses do not have sex scenes with full penetration. Its an ACT.
    Also, even if they did, they wouldnt be acting in one of these kinds of movies every day or second day for years on end...

    Just something to put in there.

    I see your point but the actress is preforming an act for the sexual gratification of the viewer who has paid money. It's pretty far off being the same but there is similarities.

    Regardless, you implied it was grand for an actor and actress to engage in a sex act provided they were both paid and on the same page when it came to the outcome, which happens in the porn industry. And I can name off a dozen porn stars who have been working for years and years in the industry and have obviously made quite a bit of money out of it without going crazy (beyond the typical lavicious American lifestyles that is).

    I think what you need to realise is while you might not be wanting to push your views on everyone, you're presenting your points in such a way as to make it seem as if you believe your opinion is fact. You may not mean to come accross that way but you are using phrases and language which makes you come accross as being a tad arrogant and know-it-all. You're more than entitled to an opinion and even the right to defend it, but the way you are is making you look bad.


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    #317
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    just because we are more intelligent than other animals doesnt mean we lack all the natural emotions urges etc. that they do, we are the exact same as a dog except we have evolved to a level of intelligence where we can belittle and condemn people for doing something we personally dont believe in or like


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    #318
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    So do I, but I don't understand how anyone can be as shockingly judgemental as so many people in this thread

    I know this is a cliched argument but why in God's name do we still have the slut/stud double standard in 2011.

    No one would ever call a guy "damaged" or "insecure" because he's had a lot of partners, they'd just high five him. Why is it that if a girl behaves this way there's obviously something "wrong" with her?

    People will always pass judgement on things.

    Go and educate yourself on the differences between men and women and then you might understand.
    Just because its 2011 doesnt mean those differences have vanished! :rolleyes:


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    #319
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Basically what I'm saying is, any time you have a girl who really enjoys sex, people try to "diagnose" why that is. In the past it was known as a mental disorder, Nymphomania, and had horrific solutions, from lobotomies to magdalene asylums.

    Today while official reprecussions are gone, people still have to find out "why". Was she abused as a kid? Does she have 'daddy issues'? Is she trying to make an ex jealous? Is she in it for the money? Is she doing it for social approval?

    Is "because she wants to and it's her life" not good enough for ye?


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    #320
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    just because we are more intelligent than other animals doesnt mean we lack all the natural emotions urges etc. that they do

    No it doesnt, but we have the intelligence to act or not act on them in appropriate ways.


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    #321
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,135 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Go and educate yourself, thats not my job.

    I should educate mysef because you can't respond to a post I already know the answer to, riiiiiiiiiight.


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    #322
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    No it doesnt, but we have the intelligence to act or not act on them in appropriate ways.

    whats appropriate for you may not be for someone else, we are all individuals and in being so are all completely different in our wants, needs and morals


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    #323
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    I see your point but the actress is preforming an act for the sexual gratification of the viewer who has paid money. It's pretty far off being the same but there is similarities.

    Regardless, you implied it was grand for an actor and actress to engage in a sex act provided they were both paid and on the same page when it came to the outcome, which happens in the porn industry. And I can name off a dozen porn stars who have been working for years and years in the industry and have obviously made quite a bit of money out of it without going crazy (beyond the typical lavicious American lifestyles that is).

    I think what you need to realise is while you might not be wanting to push your views on everyone, you're presenting your points in such a way as to make it seem as if you believe your opinion is fact. You may not mean to come accross that way but you are using phrases and language which makes you come accross as being a tad arrogant and know-it-all. You're more than entitled to an opinion and even the right to defend it, but the way you are is making you look bad.

    Youre the one passing judgement on the WAY I am putting my ideas / opinions across... The way I see it Im just using proper language and putting them across in such a way as to express my belief in them.


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    #324
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    People will always pass judgement on things.

    Go and educate yourself on the differences between men and women and then you might understand.
    Just because its 2011 doesnt mean those differences have vanished! :rolleyes:

    I understand the differences, but I also understand another crucial difference which is that not every woman is exactly the same as other women and not every guy is exactly the same as every other guy.

    All humans are different. We have differences as human beings AS WELL as differences as men and women, and I really don't see why we strive for uniformity so much. Just because someone does something you don't expect, doesn't make it wrong.

    It's one of the reasons I facepalm at the word "disorder" used in so many mental conditions today. Just what is the definition of "normal" now anyway? "normal" should be what applies to the majority, but I bet if everyone you know was subjected to psycho analysis, some kind of "problem" would be found.

    Is it not time to accept that if someone isn't hurting anyone else without their permission (IE if everyone involved is a consenting adult) it's not "wrong"?

    The only "wrong" is when you hurt someone against their will, IMO. Cheating is wrong, therefore. Leading people on is wrong too. But if both parties know exactly what they're getting and are ok with that, I don't see how anyone can have such an issue with it.


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    #325
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    whats appropriate for you may not be for someone else, we are all individuals and in being so are all completely different in our wants, needs and morals

    Yes I get that, as I have said before.
    I am simply talking about what MY idea of appropriate is. Its the only opinion I can give- my own.


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    #326
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I should educate mysef because you can't respond to a post I already know the answer to, riiiiiiiiiight.

    Im here to give my opinions on the use of prostitutes.
    If you want to know the differences between man and animals, go find out yourself!! In not here to educate people, Im here to give my opinions.


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    #327
    Turpentine
    Registered Users Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    No it doesnt, but we have the intelligence to act or not act on them in appropriate ways.

    And you would like to believe your definition of "appropriate" to be the only one that is true?

    Did you read that Cracked article I posted a link to a while back? Before you continue down the "us humans are special unique snowflakes in nature" route that is the folly of the religious and the arrogant.


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    #328
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Yes I get that, as I have said before.
    I am simply talking about what MY idea of appropriate is. Its the only opinion I can give- my own.

    But all I'm asking is, WHY do you find it inappropriate if it harms no one? What's wrong with it, exactly?
    Did you have a bad experience yourself or something? Why should you care as long as your friends are happy with their choices?


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    #329
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Basically what I'm saying is, any time you have a girl who really enjoys sex, people try to "diagnose" why that is. In the past it was known as a mental disorder, Nymphomania, and had horrific solutions, from lobotomies to magdalene asylums.

    Is "because she wants to and it's her life" not good enough for ye?

    Ehhh, I never said girls shouldnt enjoy sex, or that its wrong for them to :confused:
    I do however believe that not all prostitutes enjoy the sex they are having.


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    #330
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Youre the one passing judgement on the WAY I am putting my ideas / opinions across... The way I see it Im just using proper language and putting them across in such a way as to express my belief in them.

    Guess we'll agree to disagree. I'll just say you've refused point blank to budge from your position on this though and when that's obvious in your post, and once it's realised you'll defend a position to the death despite what everyone else says, don't expect a warm reception.


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    #331
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Ehhh, I never said girls should enjoy sex, or that its wrong for them to :confused:
    I do however believe that not all prostitutes enjoy the sex they are having.

    They aren't having sex to enjoy it though. They are having it to make money which they can then spend on things they enjoy or things they need.


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