Late Track season Results

thirtyfoot · 30-08-2011 08:01AM

04072511 wrote: »

Darren Campbell

He is doing analysis on 5 Live. I like him on it, he is very good. Good piece yesterday on the false start and told the story of his starting machine and him practising his reactions each night in his living room in the runup to him medalling at Worlds.

Pisco Sour · 30-08-2011 08:15AM

robinph wrote: »

What event did you tell them you were competing in?

They don't speak English so I didn't bother explaining.

myflipflops · 30-08-2011 08:40AM

thirtyfoot wrote: »

Great championship running from Mad Len. Been a while since we had a male middle distance guy who was strong in the last 50m of the race. Seemed very patient and judged by his finish seemed to have a nice bit in the tank when it was needed.

Great run. He's in semi final number 2 (avoiding the favs in Laalou and Kiplagat) which is a big advantage as I think his best chance to make a final is in a quicker race where he can kick hard off a good pace rather than a pure burn up. The second semi should give him that chance as people chase the 2 fastest qualifying spots.

He's ranked in 8th on SB in his heat (admittedly a poor way to rank things here) so he has a real chance to making a final. Anyone remember the last Irish finalalist? Niall Bruton in 95 maybe?

Pisco Sour · 30-08-2011 08:49AM

myflipflops wrote: »

Anyone remember the last Irish finalalist? Niall Bruton in 95 maybe?

Think you may be right. Don't remember James Nolan getting past the semi finals of a global outdoor championship.

walshb · 30-08-2011 09:01AM

I am amazed that anyone could even think that Robles should not be DQ'd. It was absolute blatant what he did. And he did it twice. The first time didn't work, so he made sure the second time. His face after the race said it all. I think it's a disgrace, and a DQ is damn well lenient. Liu was robbed of a gold medal. Robles should face some sanction for this.

Pisco Sour · 30-08-2011 09:07AM

walshb wrote: »

I am amazed that anyone could even think that Robles should not be DQ'd. It was absolute blatant what he did. And he did it twice. The first time didn't work, so he made sure the second time. His face after the race said it all. I think it's a disgrace, and a DQ is damn well lenient. Liu was robbed of a gold medal. Robles should face some sanction for this.

I doubt very much he did it on purpose. In a 13 second race where you are focusing so hard on running fast and clearing 10 bloody high barriers, there is no time to think about blocking a competitor. As Oliver says it happens in nearly every hurdles race to some degree.

longjump67 · 30-08-2011 09:52AM

04072511 wrote: »

Got a cheeky photo with Seb Coe, Steve Cram and Darren Campbell, while watching Ennis in the Javelin. Talked to Coe for about 20 seconds.. He reckons Rudisha has all the weapons, and won't be beaten tonight.

Noticed the Irish flag lurking in the background while watching the Javelin near Coe & Co (lol).:D

Brianderunner · 30-08-2011 10:02AM

04072511 wrote: »

Got a cheeky photo with Seb Coe, Steve Cram and Darren Campbell, while watching Ennis in the Javelin. Talked to Coe for about 20 seconds.. He reckons Rudisha has all the weapons, and won't be beaten tonight.

Did you pass on your views on the olympic ticketing system

robinph · 30-08-2011 10:04AM

Move forward a couple of rows 1234 and have a proper chat with them. If you can sort me out some tickets for next year then that would be good too.

Pisco Sour · 30-08-2011 10:07AM

robinph wrote: »

Move forward a couple of rows 1234 and have a proper chat with them. If you can sort me out some tickets for next year then that would be good too.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA, That's my knee there on the right hand of the photo.

walshb · 30-08-2011 10:08AM

04072511 wrote: »

I doubt very much he did it on purpose. In a 13 second race where you are focusing so hard on running fast and clearing 10 bloody high barriers, there is no time to think about blocking a competitor. As Oliver says it happens in nearly every hurdles race to some degree.

The video suggests otherwise, as does his after race body language. The hurdles before the contact were grand, and as Liu gained, then Robles hand went clearly over the lane to obstruct, clearly. That is intentional. The first 6-7 hurdles Robles hands were ok, only as Liu gained he became quite erratic. Coincidence?

TheRoadRunner · 30-08-2011 10:13AM

Brianderunner wrote: »

Did you pass on your views on the olympic ticketing system

Just ahead of me.

Seriously though, did you mention anything about olympic tickets to him? I've listened to enough of your moaning here, you had a chance to lodge an official complaint of sorts

heffsarmy · 30-08-2011 11:13AM

Great run by Ciaran O'Lionaird, finished strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--KY1X8TVAo&feature=player_embedded

thirtyfoot · 30-08-2011 11:40AM

walshb wrote: »

The video suggests otherwise, as does his after race body language. The hurdles before the contact were grand, and as Liu gained, then Robles hand went clearly over the lane to obstruct, clearly. That is intentional. The first 6-7 hurdles Robles hands were ok, only as Liu gained he became quite erratic. Coincidence?

Will you go on out of that, it was not intentional. I raced many hurdle races. In tight races you will clash many times with hands, it is very frequent and never intentional, I would say its impossible to be intentional due to the speed you are going at and the fact that the arm is usually involuntary in the motion, ie, its momentum that is bringing back. Imagine falling at over 20kph with your arms swinging wildly and then trying to catch a moving object. That's how hard it is.

Robles was naturally gravitating to Xiang as race wore on. He did hit 8 which pushed him right to the centre of the hurdle which means his trail arm is flailing closely to the edge of the hurdle. Xiang is then very close the edge of his hurdle with his lead leg on 8 I think so his left arm is breaking the plane. The front shot I have seen of hurdle 9 shows the arms locked and both athletes breaking their plain, granted Robles slightly more. This throws Robles off and his landing leg collapses and this brings him closer to the edge of the hurdle at 10 and then very obviously obstructing Xiang. If Xiang was not there then Robles would have recovered at hurdle 9 and have cleared 10 fine. So, Xiang also obstructed Robles and should be DQd, if they insist on Robles being DQd.

walshb · 30-08-2011 11:54AM

thirtyfoot wrote: »

Will you go on out of that, it was not intentional. I raced many hurdle races. In tight races you will clash many times with hands, it is very frequent and never intentional, I would say its impossible to be intentional due to the speed you are going at and the fact that the arm is usually involuntary in the motion, ie, its momentum that is bringing back. Imagine falling at over 20kph with your arms swinging wildly and then trying to catch a moving object. That's how hard it is.

Robles was naturally gravitating to Xiang as race wore on. He did hit 8 which pushed him right to the centre of the hurdle which means his trail arm is flailing closely to the edge of the hurdle. Xiang is then very close the edge of his hurdle with his lead leg on 8 I think so his left arm is breaking the plane. The front shot I have seen of hurdle 9 shows the arms locked and both athletes breaking their plain, granted Robles slightly more. This throws Robles off and his landing leg collapses and this brings him closer to the edge of the hurdle at 10 and then very obviously obstructing Xiang. If Xiang was not there then Robles would have recovered at hurdle 9 and have cleared 10 fine. So, Xiang also obstructed Robles and should be DQd, if they insist on Robles being DQd.

Well, your eyes show different. It was to me intentional. It does happen, sports athletes do "cheat" and do disguise it well. Though, Robles didn't disguise it too well. He only became "erratic" when he sensed Liu approaching.

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 12:00PM

thirtyfoot wrote: »

If Xiang was not there then Robles would have recovered at hurdle 9 and have cleared 10 fine. So, Xiang also obstructed Robles and should be DQd, if they insist on Robles being DQd.

Liu was in his own lane. He couldn't have obstructed Robles. Look back at the photo I posted. Liu is wholly in his own lane, apart from his right hand, which isn't interfering with anyone. And therein lies the rub: you can run out of your lane on the straightaway, so long as you don't interfere/obstruct any other athlete.

They're the rules; I thought you'd know them.

Rule 163.4:

4. An athlete shall not be disqualified if he
(a) is pushed or forced by another person to run outside his lane or
on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border, or
(b) runs outside his lane in the straight or outside the outer line of his
lane on the bend,
with no material advantage thereby being gained and no other athlete
being obstructed.

Robles was DQed correctly under rule 163.2:

2. Any competing athlete who jostles or obstructs another athlete, so as
to impede his progress, shall be liable to disqualification from that
event.

myflipflops · 30-08-2011 12:09PM

heffsarmy wrote: »

Great run by Ciaran O'Lionaird, finished strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--KY1X8TVAo&feature=player_embedded

Wow. He was in poor position for a lot of the race: got checked badly with 600 to go and was in a horrible place with 100 to go. He then went and burned some damn good athletes to qualify. Higuero (loads of medals in major champs) and Manzano are top quality milers. If he kicks like that from a better spot in the semi, he makes the final.

BobMac104 · 30-08-2011 12:33PM

Ya i dunno how he got out of that position. he really showed an impressive kick.

myflipflops · 30-08-2011 12:46PM

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/238947-IAAF-World-Championships-in-Athletics-Track-and-Field-Daegu-2011/video/505287-Ciaran-OLionard-continuing-to-impress-into-1500-semis-at-Daegu-2011-Track-World-Championships

Flotrack interview With O'Lionaird.

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 01:12PM

Rudisha is absolutely majestic. Great win and a great way to win.

donothoponpop · 30-08-2011 01:47PM

YES! Go James, great win! Delighted!:D

gerard65 · 30-08-2011 01:53PM

donothoponpop wrote: »

YES! Go James, great win! Delighted!:D

Only 19, in two days:eek:

TomD101 · 30-08-2011 02:03PM

Brianderunner wrote: »

Had a weeks wages on cheryuiot at 2/1. Tougher than i thought it would be. Drinks on me

you are a ledge - I owe you some drinks!

Any more fancies for rest of week? Miknevich in shot put?

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 02:08PM

Another great win for Fantasy Team Pherekydes! Well done, that young man.

Do you think he'll turn out for the relay? :pac:

Does Grenada have four 400m runners?

Brianderunner · 30-08-2011 02:11PM

TomD101 wrote: »

you are a ledge - I owe you some drinks!

Any more fancies for rest of week? Miknevich in shot put?

No real value left in the other events. A lot of favourites getting turned over the last couple of days. Farah in the 5k my next bet, along with Miknevich.

Had a small bet on Melaine Walker but she wont be winning and a bigger bet of Jess Ennis but her awful javelin cost me. Still up a nice bit though.

ecoli · 30-08-2011 02:19PM

Anyone else think this WC has been very very unpredictable:

Bekele DNF, Farah beaten by unknown
Jesse Ennis not winning gold
Yelena Isinbayeva not medalling
Bolt FS
None of top 8 ranked 100m runners this year in final (post Bolt DQ)
none of big 3 winning gold in 110h
Baala not making it out of 1500m heats
Defar DNF in 10k
Clement and Anderson failing to make 400h final (Taylor barely scraping through as fastest loser)

Not sure if its good for the sport or bad seeing so many big hitters coming up short? but certainly has been entertaining

ecoli · 30-08-2011 03:03PM

Saw this on Letsrun. Pretty much sums up the mens 10k and what Jelian did to Farahs gold aspirations

Mens 10k

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 03:09PM

ecoli wrote: »

Not sure if its good for the sport or bad seeing so many big hitters coming up short?

It would be a sad day for sport if 'big hitters' just had to turn up to collect their medals.

Great competition, and it always pays to know there's always someone hungrier coming along right behind...

Brianderunner · 30-08-2011 03:10PM

ecoli wrote: »

Anyone else think this WC has been very very unpredictable:

Bekele DNF, Farah beaten by unknown
Jesse Ennis not winning gold
Yelena Isinbayeva not medalling
Bolt FS
None of top 8 ranked 100m runners this year in final (post Bolt DQ)
none of big 3 winning gold in 110h
Baala not making it out of 1500m heats
Defar DNF in 10k
Clement and Anderson failing to make 400h final (Taylor barely scraping through as fastest loser)

Not sure if its good for the sport or bad seeing so many big hitters coming up short? but certainly has been entertaining

Womens 400mh was the biggest head scratcher for me. How could Kaliese Spencer be only 0.01 ahead of Perri Shakes when she was 20 yards ahead of her in Crystal palace.

walshb · 30-08-2011 03:15PM

It shows how deep the talent pool is. Bekele was not expected to take gold as he has been far from active or in top form. Ennis, though favorite, was not a major favorite, ala Bolt. Oliver in the hurdles was a bit of a shock. Poor performance from worlds number 1.

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