Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

While EX-MGU has a handy small amount of invincibility, I've never found a use for the fireball cancelling property.

What about the one I mentioned?

No, I mean block or get hit by the cr.mk and then reversal EX MGU through the fireball.

chopperbyrne wrote: »

No, I mean block or get hit by the cr.mk and then reversal EX MGU through the fireball.

Not sure if the block/hitstun of cr.mk allows that, but the invincibility of EX MGU would be what might prevent you from being hit by the fireball there, not the fireball negating properties.

Actually since only the beginning attacking part of the move (Deejay's fists) nullify fireballs, I think it's likely you could still get hit meaty by the fireball in this situation.

I think the MOST likely result of this very specific situation you describe (if it's possible) is that the EX-MGU beats the fireball startup, and you get a juggle.

SFAEV2012 changes (according to a translation on srk)


Ryu

Increased the vertical hitbox on U2 for better anti-air/full animation.
Can combo full U2 after counter hit Shakunetsu Hadoken. So if c.mk gets absorbed by a FA, Ryu can do EX Fireball, FADC U2 for 500 damage. If Ryu is close range he can hit EX Fireball -> U2 without FADC.
The “brake” frame on air Tatsu decreased by 3 frames, if used on this frame the trajectory will change.
Solar plexus 40+60 for 100 total damage.
If he hits S.RH counter hit on a crouching opponent he can combo sweep after it.
Chun

Head stomps will come out on DF, not just D. They note that DB won’t work though.
Kintekishu (B+MK) +3 advantage on counter hit, easier to hit confirm into the second hit.
Sweep 150 stun.
Kikoken startup 9F, easier to use as AA/use in combos.
They are fixing the bug where characters fell out of the U1 juggle in AE.
Ken

Target combo hits easier on crouching opponents, can also delay the inputs.
EX Shoryuken damage 80+30+30+50, 190 total.
Honda

Jab headbutt gets its upper body invincibility back.
Strong headbutt loses it, so it works the same as Jab Headbutt did in AE.
Blanka

Each ball gets an extra 10 in damage, so Jab 110, Strong 120, Fierce 130, EX 120.
For Fierce and EX Ball, if it hits on the second frame (same frame where FA cancel is possible), it causes blow-back damage. Will be easier to follow-up EX Ball with additional hits if FADC’d.
Charged Rock Crusher gives Blanka a 5 frame advantage, so he can do Rock Crusher, C.MK, FP Ball as a combo.
Gief

Jab SPD 150 stun.
EX Backfist damage 90+50 for a total of 140. Stun 100+50 for a total of 150.
Adjusted the hitbox on c.jab, so that it hits more easily off a jump-in against characters it formerly didn’t. Hurtbox for c.roundhouse reduced in height, making it easier to pass under certain attacks.
Guile

Balance adjustments centered around the changes made to him from Super to AE.
The frames in which Guile could be counter-hit after Sonic Boom have been eliminated? (Not 100% sure)
Air throws 3F startup.
Spinning backfist 100 damage.
Can’t be thrown out of upside down kick from the 6th frame until the last active frame.
Dhalsim

Yoga Inferno damage 75 x 2, 60 x 3 for a total of 330 damage.
EX Yoga Blast damage 90 + 50. First hit gets 20 more damage, second hit 20 less, so if Sim only gets the first hit he gets the better damage.
S.jab active for 4F. But other frame info unaltered.
Hurtbox on Yoga Blast reduced.
Can follow up Yoga Blast with additional moves for combo.
Balrog

Headbutt damage fixed back to Super, strong 120, Fierce 140, EX 150.
U2 damage 399.
Hit properties on Dash Overhead changed so that it can combo into c.strong on all characters.
Close stand fierce hitbox extended downwards so that it hits crouching characters that it used to whiff on.
Sagat

Angry Scar Tiger Uppercut damage increased: LP, MP, and EX get +10
Viper

-MP Thunder Knuckle 120 -> 110 damage
-EX Thunder Knuckle startup reduced to 25f, but +2 recovery
-EX Seismo 120 -> 100 damage
-U1 -> 441 damage
-U1 hitbox improved so it’s easier to hit fully after air burnkick and HP Thunder Knuckle
-U2 damage increased to 410
Vega

-cr.HK damage increased to 110, same as Super.
-+1 more frame of hitstun on the opponent after cosmic heel, making it -3 at worst.
-Sky High Claw causes blowback when it hits a grounded opponent (same words as the blanka ball change)
-U1 hitbox after it hits on the way up increased drastically so that it doesn’t unexpectedly miss.
-U2 startup changed to 8f.
Bison

-Scissors stun changed to 100/50 (150 total) on all strengths
-First hit causes 1f extra hitstun, so if you FADC the first hit you can have +5 advantage at best.




not sure what blowback means: either knockdown or more hitstun


either way not getting punished for ending a combo in ball is a welcome change

Those changes for Ryu are completely useless just give him his mk back and he's fine.

I don't get that air tatsu change, can someone explain it to me in a dumb kid kind of way :P

I'll just get rid of this as Azza explanation is a lot better and makes more sense.

I think the Ryu changes are really interesting to be honest. Pretty sure Orim is right about the Air Tatsu, that it might be again possible to use the 'coward copter' but without the full screen unpunishable crap that was in super, do it right and you'll be fine, though not totally out of pressure (maybe some OS's would be required to punish) or do it wrong and you get floaty tatsu and get punished big time. Essentially the old air tatsu comes out 3 frames earlier than before, that's what i got from it anyway.

Depending on how the damage scales on U2 it could be really useful, 50-100 extra damage could make all the difference, especially against low health chars like Yun, Seth and Akuma. Plus it as it's only 3 hits the opponents super wouldn't go up as much. It probably won't be used much more than it is now because of how useful U1 is but it's possible that this could work out really well for Ryu players, anti-airing dive kicks and burn kicks, more options ftw. It is so sad watching Air playing now and seeing him get bodied for free by other pros. I don't play Ryu but no one want's to see any char in the game be redundant.

I assume blowback means you simply push the other character back but I may be wrong seems to make the most sense.

Azza wrote: »

Zangief has no business having ex.green hand knock down with his current jab spd.

I'd happily have them swapped back.

Kirby wrote: »

Ooh. I can see some Yoga blast>Yoga Flame>Super being quite tasty. I like this change.


So the hitbox is still poor it seems but they have reduced sims hurtbox for the move. Might make it trade less which is good.

Hopefully more to come. More damage on Back MK would be nice. hoping for that.

Not sure how useful that would be kirby since the startup and recovery on normal versions of the blast are very slow. You can't really react to a jumpin with a normal blast, just ex. Would be amazing if ex blast comboed to bk hk or even U1 to stuff those unsafe jumpins on top of your head which usually trade. Give him his 3 frame back light kick back and make it combo into flame! I really want to punish balrog's rush overhead or honda's butt splash on block!

I hope they don't nerf viper's stun as I just stunned someone 0-950 in exactly 2 seconds and that's probably the most bs thing I've ever seen lol

Rose changes are good so far. She's finally got the real soul Piede back which will make the Zangief match up a lot less of a headache. More meter gain from spark is good. Better cl.mk. Not gonna say too much about U2 until I get a chance to use it.

Still got my fingers crossed for hp reflect into U1.

Yesterdays changes made me happy...today's made me quite annoyed. Glad to see what they done for Rufus, Fei, Rose and Abel, get the feeling Gouken is going to be the new scrub weapon of choice, Gen could get very scary...can't believe they gave Seth more combos...what the hell were the thinking. Delighted for the changes they made to Fei and Rose.

Poor Akuma though I know Akuma is very high tier in AE but i never thought of him as broken, maybe i was never on the wrong end of a bad matchup with him but he seemed like the most balanced of all the Top 10.

That 'buff' for Cammy is laughable, turtle-rogs and Bisons are still unbeatable. Sakura's changes are decent but he fireball still sucks too much to make it a viable zoning tool. Nice for the EX Fireball buff but i can hardly see it being worth more to finish a combo with EX Fireball than EX Shouken.

Seth for S-tier then...sure why not, not like he places in tourna...