Amy Winehouse Dead (RIP thread)[Mod Note Post 1]

The Left Hand Of God · 24-07-2011 12:43AM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

No one here knows the people that died in the attacks in Norway. Obviously it's very sad, but we all saw and knew about the path Amy Winehouse was going down so we've been following her personal destruction for years.

It's extremely sad to see someone with such a talent get overtaken by drugs and alcohol. There are so many comments on facebook saying "it's her own fault she died", those people are insensitive a*sholes. Drugs take over the body, some people just can't fight the addiction. It's an illness.

It's disgusting reading some of those comments. I feel extremely sorry for her.

I blame the people around her, like I do those who were around Britney Spears.

x in the city · 24-07-2011 12:46AM

whitehouse was trash, end of.

there are tragic sportsmen like ballesteros who gave it all and succumb to brain tumours at a young age and at the opposite end of the spectrum there are gifted singers like amy pot house who throw their life down the gutter before 30yrs of age.

if anyone cared for her she would have been locked up in rehab long long ago.

Da Shins Kelly · 24-07-2011 12:46AM

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

Putting aside the blather about comparisons with Norway:-

AW was a total stranger to me but for some reason her death makes me angry. So many fairweather friends bleeding their hearts out on Twitter, yet I'm sure they privately kept their distance. I spend a lot of time in the area she lived and socialised in, and for the most part, it seems she was alone.

No matter what the root cause, it is an enormous tragedy.

I'm sure a lot of her 'friends' didn't really give a f*ck about her. Like you say, fair-weather friends. She probably had very few real friends. It seems in some ways her own family somewhat exploited her. I found the behaviour of her father (although she seemed to adore him) sometimes a bit tasteless. I read something about her that said that her grandmother was the only truly stabilising influence in her life, and that her death a few years ago opened the flood gates with regards to Amy's destructive lifestyle.

My aunt used to live beside Amy after Back to Black came out and she married that Blake fella. She said that the media used to prey on her relentlessly. They'd chase her down the street, and harrass her to try and get some sort of aggressive response so they could take a picture and write about how out of control she was. She said that most of the time the girl just wanted to go to the shop, or take a stroll around Camden Town, and they'd be after her. She never got a moment's peace from people taking pictures of her. I find that very sad. The modern media are vampires.

It's a tragedy.

cesc77 · 24-07-2011 12:48AM

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

I'm not sure if this is true. Look at the Chilean mining disaster. The whole world over felt for the gentlemen concerned and their families, even though they did not know them. It was easy to visualise and come to an understanding of at least some degree what they must be feeling. Of course this can't be replicated exactly, but this is what differentiates humans from robots. It's disrespectful to the human condition to suggest otherwise. The day we start viewing ourselves as impenetrable, isolated solids on every level, is the day we truly are f*cked.

Jesus.H.Christ.

This discussion was about a junkie dying,right?

Mrs Shuttleworth · 24-07-2011 12:56AM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I'm sure a lot of her 'friends' didn't really give a f*ck about her. Like you say, fair-weather friends. She probably had very few real friends. It seems in some ways her own family somewhat exploited her. I found the behaviour of her father (although she seemed to adore him) sometimes a bit tasteless. I read something about her that said that her grandmother was the only truly stabilising influence in her life, and that her death a few years ago opened the flood gates with regards to Amy's destructive lifestyle.

My aunt used to live beside Amy after Back to Black came out and she married that Blake fella. She said that the media used to prey on her relentlessly. They'd chase her down the street, and harrass her to try and get some sort of aggressive response so they could take a picture and write about how out of control she was. She said that most of the time the girl just wanted to go to the shop, or take a stroll around Camden Town, and they'd be after her. She never got a moment's peace from people taking pictures of her. I find that very sad. The modern media are vampires.

It's a tragedy.

You're right, a lot of paps hang around the residential roads in that area. Just north of Camden Town. No front gardens so it's not easy to avoid them.

I got out of a cab up there last summer and they raced over - once they saw my fat nobody's ass they quickly scarpered!!

KeithAFC · 24-07-2011 12:56AM

El Siglo wrote: »

No, because the amount of sanctimonious crap being posted in AH or anywhere else for that matter is getting on my nerves. A mad fucker, in a cold, calculating and ruthlessly efficient manner, shoots young people in Norway and blows up a government building. He went out of his way to kill as many people as possible, shooting victims a second time to make sure they were dead. As tragic and sudden as Amy Winehouse's death is, it's not nearly as bad as Norway.

You are right. It isn't close to being near Norway. The Norway incident is pure carnage. This is just a woman who could not help herself and had a drug problem. As sad and awful it must be for the family, compared to Norway, it should not be on the same level. I can understand why people might talk about it more though in the coming days.

Celebrity has taken over these isles and she was a geniune talent to be fair.

starbelgrade · 24-07-2011 12:57AM

El Siglo wrote: »

No, because the amount of sanctimonious crap being posted in AH or anywhere else for that matter is getting on my nerves. A mad fucker, in a cold, calculating and ruthlessly efficient manner, shoots young people in Norway and blows up a government building. He went out of his way to kill as many people as possible, shooting victims a second time to make sure they were dead. As tragic and sudden as Amy Winehouse's death is, it's not nearly as bad as Norway.

I didn't realise that there were degrees of importance that should be associated with different methods of dying.

Maybe you could give us more details on the how this scale of importance works. Obviously, death at the hands of a mad fucker comes first. What comes next... would it be cancer, death from standing on an unexploded landmine or a road traffic death?

Cheeky_gal · 24-07-2011 12:58AM

cesc77 wrote: »

Jesus.H.Christ.

This discussion was about a junkie dying,right?

If you wouldn't mind using the term "drug addict" rather than "junkie" in future, maybe then people would respect your opinion.

Mrs Shuttleworth · 24-07-2011 12:58AM

cesc77 wrote: »

Jesus.H.Christ.

This discussion was about a junkie dying,right?

FFS - we were discussing the concept of empathy. Some posters were saying it didn't exist, others were saying it did.

I'm so sick of the bone headed aggression on boards.ie, all for the sake of posturing and having the last word.

deisedave · 24-07-2011 01:00AM

x in the city wrote: »

whitehouse was trash, end of.

there are tragic sportsmen like ballesteros who gave it all and succumb to brain tumours at a young age and at the opposite end of the spectrum there are gifted singers like amy pot house who throw their life down the gutter before 30yrs of age.

if anyone cared for her she would have been locked up in rehab long long ago.

Yup the pot killed her :rolleyes:

Mrs Shuttleworth · 24-07-2011 01:01AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

You are right. It isn't close to being near Norway. The Norway incident is pure carnage. This is just a woman who could not help herself and had a drug problem. As sad and awful it must be for the family, compared to Norway, it should not be on the same level. I can understand why people might talk about it more though in the coming days.

Celebrity has taken over these isles and she was a geniune talent to be fair.

I totally agree with this and thanks for bringing some balance to this thread.

The two issues cannot be compared, but in their own separate ways they are awful tragedies.

24-07-2011 01:02AM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

If you wouldn't mind using the term "drug addict" rather than "junkie" in future, maybe then people would respect your opinion.

Why?

deisedave · 24-07-2011 01:03AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I didn't realise that there were degrees of importance that should be associated with different methods of dying.

Maybe you could give us more details on the how this scale of importance works. Obviously, death at the hands of a mad fucker comes first. What comes next... would it be cancer, death from standing on an unexploded landmine or a road traffic death?

You know what he was trying to say, Amy does not compare to the tragedy at Norway. Some junkie dying compared to 100 innocent teens slayed does not compare.

Cheeky_gal · 24-07-2011 01:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why?

It's extremely insensitive. Have you a relative/friend who died from alcohol/drugs? Well I do. And if I heard someone refer to them as a junkie I'd go right through them.

El Siglo · 24-07-2011 01:05AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I didn't realise that there were degrees of importance that should be associated with different methods of dying.

Maybe you could give us more details on the how this scale of importance works. Obviously, death at the hands of a mad fucker comes first. What comes next... would it be cancer, death from standing on an unexploded landmine or a road traffic death?

Well I think the picture [NSFW] of Breivik standing over about 20 bodies of people that he shot might be considered to be some "scale" on the gravity of the situation. The two cases aren't even comparable.

starbelgrade · 24-07-2011 01:07AM

deisedave wrote: »

You know what he was trying to say, Amy does not compare to the tragedy at Norway. Some junkie dying compared to 100 innocent teens slayed does not compare.

I know exactly what he was trying to say, but unlike him, I wasn't trying to compare the two events because I don't think they are comparable, or should be compared.

Glornafarraige · 24-07-2011 01:07AM

the world was not made for one as talented as her. Back to black, what an album

Mrs Shuttleworth · 24-07-2011 01:08AM

El Siglo wrote: »

Well I think the picture [NSFW] of Breivik standing over about 20 bodies of people that he shot might be considered to be some "scale" on the gravity of the situation. The two cases aren't even comparable.

They shouldn't be compared. It's frightening to think that some posters can't accept that it's possible to have a discussion about Winehouse, as and of itself.

wonderfulname · 24-07-2011 01:09AM

El Siglo wrote: »

No, because the amount of sanctimonious crap being posted in AH or anywhere else for that matter is getting on my nerves. A mad fucker, in a cold, calculating and ruthlessly efficient manner, shoots young people in Norway and blows up a government building. He went out of his way to kill as many people as possible, shooting victims a second time to make sure they were dead. As tragic and sudden as Amy Winehouse's death is, it's not nearly as bad as Norway.

So what if it's not as bad, did you finish my post before you decided to reply? I believe the phrase I used was "empathise to varying degrees with various situations", just because you empathise with those involved in one event so monumental that its quite outside our understanding, doesn't mean you can't also empathise with those involved in what is, at the end of the day a personal bereavement of which we have been made aware. The fact that they are not remotely comparable is not relevant, a normal person doesn't react as though one is a personal insult merely because the other exists.

starviewadams · 24-07-2011 01:09AM

Very sad to see someone so young and with so much talent and potential lose themsleves to drugs.

R.I.P.

El Siglo · 24-07-2011 01:13AM

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

They shouldn't be compared. It's frightening to think that some posters can't accept that it's possible to have a discussion about Winehouse, as and of itself.

It's been a pretty tragic weekend for a lot of people. I wouldn't go as far as saying some of the stuff some people have referred to Amy Winehouse as (i.e. calling her junkie etc...), but I wouldn't be writing sanctimonious dribble that others have tended come out with.

Belly_Dancer · 24-07-2011 01:14AM

Boo! Hoo!

I bet her drug dealer is pissed.

starbelgrade · 24-07-2011 01:15AM

El Siglo wrote: »

Well I think the picture [NSFW] of Breivik standing over about 20 bodies of people that he shot might be considered to be some "scale" on the gravity of the situation. The two cases aren't even comparable.

Then why do you keep comparing them?

I don't even see why you brought up the Norway massacre in the first place - other than to state your apparent disdain for other people's feelings on the death of Amy Winehouse.

All you've done here is post that her death is tragic, but not nearly as tragic as Norway. That may well be the case, but it's not up to you to judge how different people react to different events. If people want to post how they feel about things, then why even question it? It's not like your opinion is going to change how they feel.

jive · 24-07-2011 01:18AM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

No one here knows the people that died in the attacks in Norway. Obviously it's very sad, but we all saw and knew about the path Amy Winehouse was going down so we've been following her personal destruction for years.

It's extremely sad to see someone with such a talent get overtaken by drugs and alcohol. There are so many comments on facebook saying "it's her own fault she died", those people are insensitive a*sholes. Drugs take over the body, some people just can't fight the addiction. It's an illness.

It's disgusting reading some of those comments. I feel extremely sorry for her.

Such a load of horse crap IMO. Drugs don't take over the body, she was never forced to take drugs (i.e. it was HER decision to take the drugs in the first place) and even as an addict she had the wealth to rectify the situation. It is entirely her own fault that she died. Many people are born with illnesses and some people develop them etc. etc. - she was born perfectly healthy and destroyed her own body, by choice, with substances she knew to be harmful for her. She gets zero sympathy from me and while it is an extremely sad situation I can't help but feel no sympathy due to it being completely avoidable through the help of her family/peers and even without them, herself.

The situation in Norway was much, much sadder. So we didn't see these young people deteriorate through drug abuse over the years - that makes it less sad? Please. Those people were attending a summer camp and were butchered. She had a choice, they didn't. That is the difference. I understand that it can be difficult to abstain from drugs but at the end of the day all drug addicts have a choice, especially a drug addict with the vast wealth of Amy Winehouse. She had a perfectly healthy body and she ruined it. The people who died in Oslo had no choice, none. That is the difference to me. You can call me insensitive (not the case) and whatever else you want, you can also blame other people for Winehouse's death but at the end it is HER decision and her decision alone which would decide her path. She knowingly chose the wrong path and paid the ultimate price. The people of Oslo had no choice. There are many physically sick people out there with no cure and she goes and ruins a perfectly functioning and healthy body. While it's a sad situation and I feel sorry for those who knew her, she won't be getting any sympathy from me.

Mrs Shuttleworth · 24-07-2011 01:19AM

El Siglo wrote: »

It's been a pretty tragic weekend for a lot of people. I wouldn't go as far as saying some of the stuff some people have referred to Amy Winehouse as (i.e. calling her junkie etc...), but I wouldn't be writing sanctimonious dribble that others have tended come out with.

If you were talking about the likes of Gerry Ryan, I'd be with you 100%. I think in the case of AH, behind the dribble there's a genuine sense of loss and anger that nothing apparently could be done to help this girl, when it probably could.

A lot of high profile musical people profited from their associations with her, and their backing of her early on. I really do wonder where they were over the last while.

starbelgrade · 24-07-2011 01:19AM

jive wrote: »

Such a load of horse crap IMO. Drugs don't take over the body, she was never forced to take drugs (i.e. it was HER decision to take the drugs in the first place) and even as an addict she had the wealth to rectify the situation. It is entirely her own fault that she died.

You really know nothing about the nature of addiction.

cesc77 · 24-07-2011 01:22AM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

If you wouldn't mind using the term "drug addict" rather than "junkie" in future, maybe then people would respect your opinion.

ok,lets be PC about it then.

I think youll find that the majority of people will call heroin users junkies.

And no,I wont call them addicts.

Belly_Dancer · 24-07-2011 01:23AM

in all honesty i cant say i shall be crying into me kleenix.
i hated her "music", & she looked repulsive.

krudler · 24-07-2011 01:24AM

Glornafarraige wrote: »

the world was not made for one as talented as her. Back to black, what an album

the world is made for talented people, she threw her own life down the drain

KeithM89_old · 24-07-2011 01:24AM

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

Boo! Hoo!

I bet her drug dealer is pissed.

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

in all honesty i cant say i shall be crying into me kleenix.
i hated her "music", & she looked repulsive.

Dont post in this thread again.

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