Amy Winehouse Dead (RIP thread)[Mod Note Post 1]

Mental Mickey · 23-07-2011 11:34PM

Gotta love AH :rolleyes:

the varg · 23-07-2011 11:35PM

Charlie Sheen next up?? :rolleyes:

Hank Scorpio · 23-07-2011 11:35PM

Naikon wrote: »

Some sort of singer I believe. Never really heard of her up until this point.

Anyway, RIP and all that. Death is not a nice thing irrespective of my ignorance.

Lol

lila44 · 23-07-2011 11:36PM

Think her parents could have done a bit better for her tbh, no matter how old your child is, they are still ur child and should be taken care of if needed. She was obviously not of sound mind. Hey, it worked for britney!!

Anyway, that's my 2cents!

starbelgrade · 23-07-2011 11:37PM

Jesus... I haven't listened to any news today at all, so this is the first I've heard of Amy Winehouse's death.

She was an amazing talent - her "Back to Black" is a modern day classic.

Always sad to see the passing of someone so young who had so much to give to the world through her songs.

MagicMarker · 23-07-2011 11:37PM

lila44 wrote: »

Think her parents could have done a bit better for her tbh, no matter how old your child is, they are still ur child and should be taken care of if needed. She was obviously not of sound mind. Hey, it worked for britney!!

Anyway, that's my 2cents!

WTF?! She was an adult, what on earth were her parents supposed to do?

LighterGuy · 23-07-2011 11:38PM

xoxyx wrote: »

Um, yes?? Empathy means putting yourself in somebody else's position and understanding what they are going through. So, if you hear of somebody dying, a person with empathy would feel very sorry for the person who dies and, more particularly (for me anyway), their parents and partners, then, to a lesser extent, their friends and the rest of their family.

Now, you probably wouldn't cry, and you certainly wouldn't spend your day in mourning, but you would feel sad and wish for the best for the people who are suffering from their loss.

I know what empathy means :pac:
But question, how deep does it go?
you say "Empathy means putting yourself in somebody else's position and understanding what they are going through. So, if you hear of somebody dying..." - So to what level?

take amy winehouse dying. Does this screw up your day? week? or month? did this put you in a bad mood? ... no. A respecful comment is just that. So whats is empathy? just that respectful comment?

lila44 · 23-07-2011 11:40PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

lila44 wrote: »

Think her parents could have done a bit better for her tbh, no matter how old your child is, they are still ur child and should be taken care of if needed. She was obviously not of sound mind. Hey, it worked for britney!!

Anyway, that's my 2cents!

WTF?! She was an adult, what on earth were her parents supposed to do?

Well, and I'm not comparing here, just drawing a similarity, when Britneys dad took over the running of her life/career, things definitely began to work out a lot better for her!

Monty Burnz · 23-07-2011 11:42PM

the varg wrote: »

Charlie Sheen next up?? :rolleyes:

What I don't understand is how Pete Doherty is still alive.

23-07-2011 11:43PM

LighterGuy wrote: »

I know what empathy means :pac:
But question, how deep does it go?
you say "Empathy means putting yourself in somebody else's position and understanding what they are going through. So, if you hear of somebody dying..." - So to what level?

take amy winehouse dying. Does this screw up your day? week? or month? did this put you in a bad mood? ... no. A respecful comment is just that. So whats is empathy? just that respectful comment?

Empathy is feeling someone else's pain. If a friend (or even stranger) tells me their mother/sister/friend died, yes, I feel genuine pain and sadness because I imagine how I'd feel if it happened to me.

23-07-2011 11:43PM

thebullkf wrote: »

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Pure heroin doesn't actually damage any of your internal organs,its the mix that does it.

Pure H will lead to depression of breathing though as Junkie's don't know what purity the H is.

starbelgrade · 23-07-2011 11:44PM

LighterGuy wrote: »

take amy winehouse dying. Does this screw up your day? week? or month? did this put you in a bad mood? ... no.

I'm sure that many people who didn't know the woman will be very upset by her demise.

When Jeff Buckley died, I was quite upset - not in the same way that I'd be upset if a friend or family member died (obviously) - but I'd grew up listening to his songs & his lyrics meant a lot to me. Music you see, has the power to really move people, to bring about emotions & feelings. So it's natural that when the person who brought you that music & those emotions dies, that you will feel some kind of sadness, something more than just empathy.

Some people never connect with music or musicians in that way & they cannot understand this. I actually feel sorry for them.

Johro · 23-07-2011 11:46PM

LighterGuy wrote: »

getting what?
do you know amy winehouse? no.
Do I know amy winehouse? no.

But yet, how come we feel upset or at loss when a family member or close friend dies. But yet another person doesnt. eg, your best friend dies. You care, but i dont. or vice versa. we give the usual "ah sorry to hear" (which is respecful) but would it upset your day? ... would you really be feeling "oh god! thats so sad "

no. you wouldnt.
Emphaty is BS with people we dont know or care about.

Pretty much, yeah.
Part of it is maybe having bought the 'Back to Black' album ages ago and listening to it every so often, Amy Winehouse put a lot of real emotion into her songs, and wrote about her highs and lows, and boy did she have lows. As a human being, I can identify with some of those moments and therefore possibly feel some kind of connection. Empathy, even.
Am I an emotional person? Probably. Someone I could relate to and admired just died. It pisses me off that she had such a sh!t life.
I don't know the little East African babies whose faces I keep seeing on the news, dying of hunger. Makes me sad though.
If you don't feel it, then you don't. I'm entitled to feel whatever the hell I like.

Da Shins Kelly · 23-07-2011 11:48PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm sure that many people who didn't know the woman will be very upset by her demise.

When Jeff Buckley died, I was quite upset - not in the same way that I'd be upset if a friend or family member died (obviously) - but I'd grew up listening to his songs & his lyrics meant a lot to me. Music you see, has the power to really move people, to bring about emotions & feelings. So it's natural that when the person who brought you that music & those emotions dies, that you will feel some kind of sadness, something more than just empathy.

Some people never connect with music or musicians in that way & they cannot understand this. I actually feel sorry for them.

Totally agree with this comment. People say things like 'How can you be upset by the death of a celebrity?'. The thing is most musicians are more than celebrities. Music means something to people, so obviously when the musician who made music that you love dies, you will feel some sort of sadness. You may not bawl your eyes out, but there is a certain sense of loss about it. I can completely understand that.

LighterGuy · 23-07-2011 11:48PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm sure that many people who didn't know the woman will be very upset by her demise.

When Jeff Buckley died, I was quite upset - not in the same way that I'd be upset if a friend or family member died (obviously) - but I'd grew up listening to his songs & his lyrics meant a lot to me. Music you see, has the power to really move people, to bring about emotions & feelings. So it's natural that when the person who brought you that music & those emotions dies, that you will feel some kind of sadness, something more than just empathy.

Some people never connect with music or musicians in that way & they cannot understand this. I actually feel sorry for them.

I can respect your opinion

nicely put.

Kenzie Skinny Tackle wrote: »

Empathy is feeling someone else's pain. If a friend (or even stranger) tells me their mother/sister/friend died, yes, I feel genuine pain and sadness because I imagine how I'd feel if it happened to me.

However, pure BS. No offense. But pure through and through. Their loss is nothing to your loss.

Frank Black · 23-07-2011 11:49PM

paddyandy wrote: »

What makes you say i am uncaring?

Your previous posts.

xoxyx · 23-07-2011 11:49PM

LighterGuy wrote: »

I know what empathy means :pac:
But question, how deep does it go?
you say "Empathy means putting yourself in somebody else's position and understanding what they are going through. So, if you hear of somebody dying..." - So to what level?

take amy winehouse dying. Does this screw up your day? week? or month? did this put you in a bad mood? ... no. A respecful comment is just that. So whats is empathy? just that respectful comment?

I can't tell you how deep empathy goes - that's down to the individual. But, my feeling on it is that, we are all in this together; nice (most of us) little people living a short enough life on this earth. We all share this in common, so, when I hear of somebody dying, I feel sad for them.

You say:

LighterGuy wrote: »

Emphaty is BS with people we dont know or care about.

I don't believe that's true. We can care about other people for the pure fact that they are other people, living their lives just like us. There's the care-factor, and the empathy should come naturally right after that.

I'm not saying that we should spend our lives crying our hearts out because of the bad things that happen to others. There's a name for that - depression. But, I do think that we should try and relate to others and, for that reason, we should feel something for them and wish them best when they're going through hard times.

Amy Winehouse dying isn't going to screw up my week, or day, no. But it makes me sad and I feel so sorry for all those who are suffering because of what has happened.

El Siglo · 23-07-2011 11:51PM

I really don't have any empathy for her considering what's just taken place in Norway. I feel sorry for her family, but I think the attacks in Norway kind of eclipse her death. Although, reading the facebook status updates you wouldn't think that was the case.

Naikon · 23-07-2011 11:53PM

xoxyx wrote: »

Um, yes?? Empathy means putting yourself in somebody else's position and understanding what they are going through.

The problem is, you will never truly know what somebody is actually going through when it comes to their thoughts. Chances are, every person you know has at least one tidbit of knowledge/experiences that they will take to the grave. Fantasizing about knowing what the other person must be going through is a bit far fetched imo.

I may not be the most "empathetic" by your definition,, but I don't delude myself into believing I know what the person "must be going through". I know that much at least. An Internet Persona does not and can not match your true self, no matter how outwardly "empathetic" you may appear to be. Empathy is easy to fake. There exists a solid and permanent gap between you and I. You enter this word alone, you ultimately have to exit it alone by that same token.

xoxyx · 23-07-2011 11:56PM

xoxyx wrote: »

Empathy means putting yourself in somebody else's position and understanding what they are going through.

Naikon wrote: »

The problem is, you will never truly know what somebody is actually going through when it comes to their thoughts. Chances are, every person you know has at least one tidbit of knowledge/experiences that they will take to the grave. Fantasizing about knowing what the other person must be going through is a bit far fetched imo.

I may not be the most "empathetic" by your definition,, but I don't delude myself into believing I know what the person "must be going through". I know that much at least. An Internet Persona does not and can not match your true self, not matter how outwardly "empathetic" you may appear to be. Empathy is easy to fake. There exists a solid and permanent gap between you and I. You enter this word alone, you ultimately have to exit it alone by that same token.

You're right. I put that badly. I should have said that it meant "trying to understand" what they are going through. I would never presume to understand how a person is feeling, and, when it comes to things like this, I hope I never do.

Naikon · 23-07-2011 11:58PM

xoxyx wrote: »

You're right. I put that badly. I should have said that it meant "trying to understand" what they are going through. I would never presume to understand how a person is feeling, and, when it comes to things like this, I hope I never do.

Fair enough imo.

m@cc@ · 24-07-2011 12:03AM

A lot of sanctimonious BS has been written in here, as is the AH staple. What I will say is that any destructive lifestyle that leads to an untimely death is lamentable no matter who or what the reasons are. She was no saint and clearly never claimed to be. It is a shame that death seems to have been the only event that has brought her peace.

Furthermore, comparisons with this and what has happened in Oslo is the mindset of a lunatic as I see it. You can complain about this being given more attention than the bombings but sadly such is the way of the media that viewing figures and newspaper sales dictate news coverage.

Jess16 · 24-07-2011 12:20AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

She could have had such a good life if only she chose life

Wouldn't it be great if it were that simple :rolleyes: Having fun in that ideal world of yours?

Spread · 24-07-2011 12:24AM

Amy, best of luck on your journey. Your haunting voice will always be music to our souls. Beautiful peace at last. Goodbye.

Mrs Shuttleworth · 24-07-2011 12:30AM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Totally agree with this comment. People say things like 'How can you be upset by the death of a celebrity?'. The thing is most musicians are more than celebrities. Music means something to people, so obviously when the musician who made music that you love dies, you will feel some sort of sadness. You may not bawl your eyes out, but there is a certain sense of loss about it. I can completely understand that.

Putting aside the blather about comparisons with Norway:-

AW was a total stranger to me but for some reason her death makes me angry. So many fairweather friends bleeding their hearts out on Twitter, yet I'm sure they privately kept their distance. I spend a lot of time in the area she lived and socialised in, and for the most part, it seems she was alone.

No matter what the root cause, it is an enormous tragedy.

wonderfulname · 24-07-2011 12:34AM

El Siglo wrote: »

I really don't have any empathy for her considering what's just taken place in Norway. I feel sorry for her family, but I think the attacks in Norway kind of eclipse her death. Although, reading the facebook status updates you wouldn't think that was the case.

I really don't get this, I empathise with her and her family and I empathise with Breiviks victims, it doesn't take from my empathy for the people of Somalia either, god it's been a weighty time for news... why do we have to pick one thing to focus compassion upon? Can we not have varying degrees of empathy for various situations all at the same time?

Mrs Shuttleworth · 24-07-2011 12:35AM

Naikon wrote: »

The problem is, you will never truly know what somebody is actually going through when it comes to their thoughts. Chances are, every person you know has at least one tidbit of knowledge/experiences that they will take to the grave. Fantasizing about knowing what the other person must be going through is a bit far fetched imo.

I may not be the most "empathetic" by your definition,, but I don't delude myself into believing I know what the person "must be going through". I know that much at least. An Internet Persona does not and can not match your true self, no matter how outwardly "empathetic" you may appear to be. Empathy is easy to fake. There exists a solid and permanent gap between you and I. You enter this word alone, you ultimately have to exit it alone by that same token.

I'm not sure if this is true. Look at the Chilean mining disaster. The whole world over felt for the gentlemen concerned and their families, even though they did not know them. It was easy to visualise and come to an understanding of at least some degree what they must be feeling. Of course this can't be replicated exactly, but this is what differentiates humans from robots. It's disrespectful to the human condition to suggest otherwise. The day we start viewing ourselves as impenetrable, isolated solids on every level, is the day we truly are f*cked.

Cheeky_gal · 24-07-2011 12:40AM

No one here knows the people that died in the attacks in Norway. Obviously it's very sad, but we all saw and knew about the path Amy Winehouse was going down so we've been following her personal destruction for years.

It's extremely sad to see someone with such a talent get overtaken by drugs and alcohol. There are so many comments on facebook saying "it's her own fault she died", those people are insensitive a*sholes. Drugs take over the body, some people just can't fight the addiction. It's an illness.

It's disgusting reading some of those comments. I feel extremely sorry for her.

The Left Hand Of God · 24-07-2011 12:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pure H will lead to depression of breathing though as Junkie's don't know what purity the H is.

Indeed. Keith Richards would agree. He liked and knew his stuff. Only the purest form and set amount to suit him.

Bloke is still alive and living well.

I think being a millionaire helps.

El Siglo · 24-07-2011 12:43AM

wonderfulname wrote: »

I really don't get this, I empathise with her and her family and I empathise with Breiviks victims, it doesn't take from my empathy for the people of Somalia either, god it's been a weighty time for news... why do we have to pick one thing to focus compassion upon? Can we not have varying degrees of empathy for various situations all at the same time?

No, because the amount of sanctimonious crap being posted in AH or anywhere else for that matter is getting on my nerves. A mad fucker, in a cold, calculating and ruthlessly efficient manner, shoots young people in Norway and blows up a government building. He went out of his way to kill as many people as possible, shooting victims a second time to make sure they were dead. As tragic and sudden as Amy Winehouse's death is, it's not nearly as bad as Norway.

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