Silver Marked Garda Car

Rawhead · 19-04-2011 10:27AM

This site really amazes me at times. How the colour of a squad car ends up being a pi$$ing contest about a helicopters right to fly over an airport i'll never know.

xflyer · 19-04-2011 10:54AM

Well let's bring it together!;) Are they going to paint the Garda helis silver too?:D

Haven't seen any silver cars yet. But I'll be you any money I'll see plenty of them now.

On the helicopter point crossing airspace point. ATC will alway refuse crossing clearance if there's a potential conflict. They have their rules they have no choice but to follow. It's then up to the helicopter pilot to decide to ignore ATC should the situation warrant it. But he'll have to justify it later when the proverbial hits the fan. Whether they be painted silver or white!

DUB777 · 19-04-2011 11:24AM

sdonn wrote: »

ATC will not normally divert any civilian flight to allow E256 (the Garda Helicopter callsign) to operate. I've listened in to Dublin's Tower frequency oodles of times nd you will reguarly hear ATC instructing the chopper to remain clear of the airfield.

So what were they doing then? Sitting on the heli-pad munching through a box of donuts each while 2 murderers & a getaway driver escape??

Hogzy · 19-04-2011 11:33AM

DUB777 wrote: »

So what were they doing then? Sitting on the heli-pad munching through a box of donuts each while 2 murderers & a getaway driver escape??

No, they were taking the long way around so they wouldnt endanger the lives of 300 odd on board whatever plane approaches the runway.
Somethings are more important than catching the crook

DUB777 · 19-04-2011 11:48AM

Hogzy wrote: »

No, they were taking the long way around so they wouldnt endanger the lives of 300 odd on board whatever plane approaches the runway.
Somethings are more important than catching the crook

Well if there is any truth to what a previous poster had said regarding 'hold' and 'unable' then essentially the cops did just let them away with it:D. More important than catching the crookS

? I disagree with that, isn't that their purpose on the streets??

?? Protect and serve & all that b0110x they allegedly stand for?:rolleyes:? And to let a double murder take place & 3 suspects escape:eek:? Come off it? They weren't allowed escape by choice:P. The driver did his job & got them the f#~k outta there. The incompetence of the system & its enforcers just shone through on that case & there are many others like it. They wont be caught at this stage, no evidence at the crime scene bar tapes which dont show them anything. No burnt out car, they've got f~#k all but 2 corpses & a tescos shoddy recording.

Hooch · 19-04-2011 12:22PM

Back on topic guys.....this thread has nothing to do with helicopters!!!

Thanks

Manic Moran · 19-04-2011 06:20PM

Back on topic guys.....this thread has nothing to do with helicopters!!!

I'm sorry, but I do need to correct my earlier statement, otherwise I'm leaving bad information up which I don't want to do.

After looking up the details of the 'Unable' call, which is still pilot's ultimate authority, it would not be an appropriate use in the US for a police chase. However, they don't need to. FAA regulations provide that when "Special law enforcement operations [to] include inflight identification, surveillance, interdiction and pursuit activities performed in accordance with official civil and/or military mission responsibilities", a code is used which tells ATC to provide operational priority equivalent to Search and Rescue, which would basically mean ATC needs to do its best to acommodate it. There are also other exemptions to the ATC rules written into the regulations, the only requirement is that the police helicopter notify ATC in advance that it's about to break the 'normal' rules so ATC is not caught on the hop. Routine operations (i.e patrolling) do not trigger the exemptions, but active operations do.

Apologies for the US reference, but I've a US license. I don't know if IAA rules contain a similar provision. Information provided for context/example purposes only.

I return you now to silver cars.

NTM

starviewadams · 19-04-2011 09:49PM

Saw a silver Traffic Corps estate tearing up Dame Street today,sirens sounded very similar to the DFB ambulances.Very cool looking car!

Zambia · 19-04-2011 11:25PM

I asked a traffic guy here why the cars are all different colours he said and I quote. 'Resale value'

Yes indeed its a Australian/Victorian highway Patrol guy that told me that , they dont just use silver they use blue orange red black etc they just mark them up and install all the gadgets in them. After x amount of time they hand them back and get new ones. In fact I don't think I ever saw a silver one...

Hooch · 19-04-2011 11:31PM

Zambia wrote: »

I asked a traffic guy here why the cars are all different colours he said and I quote. 'Resale value'

The real reason here in ireland?? Toyota did not have enough white avensis ready in such a short space of time. There is no policy decision on Traffic cars being silver by management yet. It just worked out that way.

If it was resale value alone......dont you think they would have bought all silver instead of less than 20% silver???

pingu2008 · 20-04-2011 02:31AM

and its not the first time ags has had different coloured marked cars navy, blue, red, green, mustard its only a colour once it does the job its ment to who cares what colour the cars are.

thorpe · 22-04-2011 05:55PM

Spotted yesterday in East Cork.

goldie fish · 22-04-2011 06:03PM

pingu2008 wrote: »

and its not the first time ags has had different coloured marked cars navy, blue, red, green, mustard its only a colour once it does the job its ment to who cares what colour the cars are.

Red and green marked cars?
Mustard????

Navy, Blue or white is all I can remember.

Hooch · 22-04-2011 07:33PM

goldie fish wrote: »

Red and green marked cars?
Mustard????

Navy, Blue or white is all I can remember.

They were all around in the early 70s

goldie fish · 22-04-2011 08:32PM

NGA wrote: »

They were all around in the early 70s

I remember the early 70s, but I don't remember them.
Navy blue Anglias.
White cortinas and granadas with a blue stripe for "the squad"..

Hooch · 22-04-2011 08:53PM

goldie fish wrote: »

I remember the early 70s, but I don't remember them.
Navy blue Anglias.
White cortinas and granadas with a blue stripe for "the squad"..

They were definitely there. Maybe abit before the 70s. pingu2008 im sure will have photos.

belacqua_ · 23-04-2011 10:03AM

goldie fish wrote: »

I remember the early 70s, but I don't remember them.

pingu2008 wrote: »

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This looks like an early 80s Fiat, I think there's a pic of the mustard coloured Land Rover [?] on here, was it for use in guarding/transporting explosives?

Out of interest, what's 'the squad'? My uncle worked in traffic in L/M and they were the ones who drove the white cars with the blue stripe up here.

goldie fish · 23-04-2011 12:13PM

Traffic were known as the squad by the truckers round these parts, who frequently dealt with them on weighbridges.
You had more to fear from the "squad" than the ordinary Navy renault 4.
The Squad were usually the ones raiding the pubs too.

It looks like a Ritmo, they would have been mid 80s. Must have been a specialist purpose. No "Garda" on door.

angelfire9 · 24-04-2011 04:42PM

goldie fish wrote: »

Traffic were known as the squad by the truckers round these parts, who frequently dealt with them on weighbridges.
You had more to fear from the "squad" than the ordinary Navy renault 4.
The Squad were usually the ones raiding the pubs too.

It looks like a Ritmo, they would have been mid 80s. Must have been a specialist purpose. No "Garda" on door.

How can you tell that car is FILTHY!

Irish Fire · 24-04-2011 06:19PM

angelfire9 wrote: »

How can you tell that car is FILTHY!

Load of those bloody Ritmos around at the time......

angelfire9 · 24-04-2011 07:41PM

Irish Fire wrote: »

Load of those bloody Ritmos around at the time......

I wouldn't know I'm too young

:D

I do know that there was a Garda calendar about 2 years ago showing all the old vehicles can't remember who produced it (think it was St. Raphaels) but my dad was in one of the pics

Hooch · 24-04-2011 07:42PM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I do know that there was a Garda calendar about 2 years ago showing all the old vehicles can't remember who produced it (think it was St. Raphaels) but my dad was in one of the pics

IPA I think??

goldie fish · 24-04-2011 09:34PM

Irish Fire wrote: »

Load of those bloody Ritmos around at the time......

You would have thought they learnt the lessen, then they went and bought tempras.
I wonder how many gardai died or were seriously injured driving deathtrap tempras? I know of 3.(R.I.P)

angelfire9 · 24-04-2011 10:28PM

goldie fish wrote: »

You would have thought they learnt the lessen, then they went and bought tempras.
I wonder how many gardai died or were seriously injured driving deathtrap tempras? I know of 3.(R.I.P)

I know of one in Cavan a high speed chase the driver (my uncle) survived his passenger didn't and the scumbags escaped over the border

roadmaster · 01-06-2011 01:51PM

i hope this might help about explaining why they change colour, i work in telecoms and i was in a garda barracks in dundalk doin a job i asked a traffic corps sgt why did they changed. he said the reason they changed from Blue to white in the 90's was studys showed that white was the most visable colour on car so they changed to white for saftey etc, Car companies today are not painting cars white as standard anymore if you want white you have to pay extra, so as in the Uk ,police forces looked for the next most visable colour on a car which is silver, and so garda cars will be silver from now on, as for why there is white new cars and why toyota won the contract, the sgt said after the scares with toyota last year, toyota had a **** load cars parked up in the Uk Factory which inclued white ones and we the state got very good deal price wise due to this.
He seamed to know what he was talking about when he told me so id say its true

BrianD · 01-06-2011 06:30PM

roadmaster wrote: »

i hope this might help about explaining why they change colour, i work in telecoms and i was in a garda barracks in dundalk doin a job i asked a traffic corps sgt why did they changed. he said the reason they changed from Blue to white in the 90's was studys showed that white was the most visable colour on car so they changed to white for saftey etc, Car companies today are not painting cars white as standard anymore if you want white you have to pay extra, so as in the Uk ,police forces looked for the next most visable colour on a car which is silver, and so garda cars will be silver from now on, as for why there is white new cars and why toyota won the contract, the sgt said after the scares with toyota last year, toyota had a **** load cars parked up in the Uk Factory which inclued white ones and we the state got very good deal price wise due to this.
He seamed to know what he was talking about when he told me so id say its true

There is some elememt of truth to the selection of white being more visible but the reflective stripes (and the chevrons on some cars) were also added at the same time. The transition to white (as opposed to shades of blue) and the Garda livery really boosted the image of the force in my view. White is in the Top 10 most popular car colours in 2010 - so I don't think white is a special order! Silver is the number 2 most popular colour (UK figures).

In regard to silver - I have heard that some police forces use it for the traffic corps because as a very popular colour (and not white) it is less conspicuous meaning that marked cars can work through the traffic seeking offenders without being very obvious. Howvever, some forces (City of London?) have adopted it for all vehicles.

Toyota didn't suffer much after the scares a year ago. I'm sure they just put in a competitive tender. Certainly they may have been keener with price because of the scares and when the public see law enforcement using a car brand it does give it an endorsement.

01-06-2011 07:39PM

The only reason for the silver ones is down to the fact Toyota couldn't supply enough white ones. Thats from people in the depot.

Hooch · 01-06-2011 08:37PM

foreign wrote: »

The only reason for the silver ones is down to the fact Toyota couldn't supply enough white ones. Thats from people in the depot.

Fact....!! No other reason.

No policy decision made yet

Bosh · 01-06-2011 09:07PM

The main reason the UK went silver is that unlike here, they don't flog their fleet until it is worthless, they sell them on after a relatively short period. Some forces , I believe, even lease.

Silver is easier to sell on than white.

goldie fish · 01-06-2011 09:10PM

foreign wrote: »

The only reason for the silver ones is down to the fact Toyota couldn't supply enough white ones. Thats from people in the depot.

Did the same people in the depot explain how the GS ended up with Subaru foresters?

Silver Marked Garda Car

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