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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Seriously, wht do they obsess about the gays so much?

    entries in leviticus for homosexuality: 1 line
    entries in leviticus on th evils of mildew: 1 page

    and they've already irradicated all the mildew!


    wait a minute. Hates midlew? Big booming voice? Always popping up when not invited? Is God Barry Scott from the cilit bang ads?

    robindch wrote: »
    Plays well to the home crowd.

    ooh-er missus!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith




    wait a minute. Hates midlew? Big booming voice? Always popping up when not invited? Is God Barry Scott from the cilit bang ads?

    Thank you for helping me start the day with a smile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Measles outbreak in the UK because you can be both a parent and a retard.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13561766


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Green our vaccines!!! No toxins of me thank you very much!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    looks like there's still a few (mostly religious going by the comments) people out there that aren't aware that 'the onion' does fake news. :D

    http://literallyunbelievable.tumblr.com/


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    vibe666 wrote: »
    looks like there's still a few (mostly religious going by the comments) people out there that aren't aware that 'the onion' does fake news.
    Is that an "anti-poe-dian" argument -- something that's unforgivably obvious, but still taken upside-down by the religious?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 dobydoo


    so i guess we dont want weak people polluting it either?, or people who can't run fast, or whose IQ is less than 100, maybe not even people who are not blond and blue-eyed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    dobydoo wrote: »
    so i guess we dont want weak people polluting it either?, or people who can't run fast, or whose IQ is less than 100, maybe not even people who are not blond and blue-eyed?

    Nah, just people who think like you actually.


  • Moderators Posts: 52,163 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    A Catholic diocese in Illinois has said it will no longer provide state-funded adoption and foster care services because they are not willing to provide the service to gay or unmarried couples.
    A Catholic diocese in northern Illinois said Thursday that it will end its state-funded adoption and foster-care program rather than comply with a new law that would require it to place children with gay or unmarried couples, and officials said other dioceses would decide quickly whether to follow suit.

    Officials from the Rockford Diocese said they were forced to terminate state contracts worth $7.5 million after lawmakers failed to pass an amendment exempting religious groups from provisions of the state's new civil unions law, which will let gay and lesbian couples form civil unions, a rough equivalent to marriage. The law takes effect June 1.

    Catholic Charities wanted to be allowed to refer unmarried or gay couples to other agencies, as it has for years.

    Diocese officials said Thursday that allowing such adoptions or foster placements would violate teachings of the Catholic faith.

    "The law of our land has always guaranteed its people freedom of religion," diocese spokeswoman Penny Wiegert said. "Denying this exemption to faith-based agencies leads one to believe that our lawmakers prefer laws that guarantee freedom from religion."

    The Civil Rights Agenda, a gay rights advocacy group, issued a statement calling the diocese's decision "a sad display of bigotry" and said religious freedom "is granted only when the religious agency is not funded by taxpayer dollars."

    "I am mindful that this is a sad day for the many foster families and parents involved and the children who are in the care of Catholic Charities," TCRA Executive Director Anthony Martinez said.

    Illinois Department of Children and Family Services officials said there are enough private child welfare agencies to take over foster placement and adoptions for the roughly 300 children in the Rockford Diocese's foster-care program when it ends June 1.

    "Catholic Charities in Rockford has served children and families with compassion for many years, and we thank them for their service," DCFS Director Erwin McEwen said in a written statement. "We will take every step necessary to ensure that the children are well cared for and the foster families are well supported during this transition."

    Rockford and four other Catholic dioceses in Illinois are among 45 private agencies that provide state-funded adoption and foster-care services, DCFS spokesman Kendall Marlowe said. The dioceses provide services to about 2,300 of the 15,000 children in the foster-care system, while two other religious groups provide care to about 1,000 children, Marlowe said.

    He said some of the 42 caseworkers in the Rockford Diocese could be hired by new agencies.

    Catholic charity groups place children only with married couples or single people — not with couples living together. They consider couples in civil unions to be unmarried and therefore not eligible to adopt or provide foster care through their programs.

    But refusing to place children with gay couples could open the charities to lawsuits or lead state government to cut off funding.

    Leaders of the Catholic groups have said they aren't trying to keep gay couples from adopting or taking in foster children — just that it's a matter of having those couples work with other groups.

    Catholic officials said they hope the Rockford Diocese's decision will persuade the General Assembly to reconsider such an exemption.

    But if it doesn't, other dioceses could decide to withdraw from the state program, said Bob Gilligan, executive director of the Catholic Conference of Illinois.

    "We're not bluffing. This is a serious issue," said Gilligan, who said other dioceses will decide on the fate of their programs within a week to 10 days after the new state law takes effect. "No diocese is going to willingly put a child in a same-sex household."

    NYTimes.com

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Religious nutter explains why he'll never vote for a woman:



    Would love to see what happens if, in 2012, there's a run-off between Palin and Obama.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭rossc007




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    She said she kept her son's body as she was convinced her son would be resurrected after his death

    "I went in and just asked God to bring him back," she said.

    "He did it in the Bible. He did it with Lazarus. He did it with a child in the Bible."

    sweet.
    zombie.
    jesus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,652 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    She better start praying that Hell isn't real, because if it is, she's ****ed!

    Terribly sad story


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    story doesn't mention whether she got the devil out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    That is so tragic, the hazards of belief indeed...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    The power of christ obviously didn't compel her.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The power of christ obviously didn't compel her.
    i suggested to a friend that that would make a great crowd chant at a rugby match. supposedly himself and a few friends got a good section of crowd chanting it at a leinster match.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    rossc007 wrote: »
    Woman 'killed son in botched exorcism'
    Moved to the Hazards thread.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Wanna lose some brain mass? Start believing!

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain
    Religious Experiences Shrink Part of the Brain

    The article, “Religious factors and hippocampal atrophy in late life,” by Amy Owen and colleagues at Duke University represents an important advance in our growing understanding of the relationship between the brain and religion. The study, published March 30 in PLoS One, showed greater atrophy in the hippocampus in individuals who identify with specific religious groups as well as those with no religious affiliation. It is a surprising result, given that many prior studies have shown religion to have potentially beneficial effects on brain function, anxiety, and depression.

    A number of studies have evaluated the acute effects of religious practices, such as meditation and prayer, on the human brain. A smaller number of studies have evaluated the longer term effects of religion on the brain. Such studies, like the present one, have focused on differences in brain volume or brain function in those people heavily engaged in meditation or spiritual practices compared to those who are not. And an even fewer number of studies have explored the longitudinal effects of doing meditation or spiritual practices by evaluating subjects at two different time points.

    In this study, Owen et al. used MRI to measure the volume of the hippocampus, a central structure of the limbic system that is involved in emotion as well as in memory formation. They evaluated the MRIs of 268 men and women aged 58 and over, who were originally recruited for the NeuroCognitive Outcomes of Depression in the Elderly study, but who also answered several questions regarding their religious beliefs and affiliation. The study by Owen et al. is unique in that it focuses specifically on religious individuals compared to non-religious individuals. This study also broke down these individuals into those who are born again or who have had life-changing religious experiences.

    The results showed significantly greater hippocampal atrophy in individuals reporting a life-changing religious experience. In addition, they found significantly greater hippocampal atrophy among born-again Protestants, Catholics, and those with no religious affiliation, compared with Protestants not identifying as born-again.

    The authors offer the hypothesis that the greater hippocampal atrophy in selected religious groups might be related to stress. They argue that some individuals in the religious minority, or those who struggle with their beliefs, experience higher levels of stress. This causes a release of stress hormones that are known to depress the volume of the hippocampus over time. This might also explain the fact that both non-religious as well as some religious individuals have smaller hippocampal volumes.

    This is an interesting hypothesis. Many studies have shown positive effects of religion and spirituality on mental health, but there are also plenty of examples of negative impacts. There is evidence that members of religious groups who are persecuted or in the minority might have markedly greater stress and anxiety as they try to navigate their own society. Other times, a person might perceive God to be punishing them and therefore have significant stress in the face of their religious struggle. Others experience religious struggle because of conflicting ideas with their religious tradition or their family. Even very positive, life-changing experiences might be difficult to incorporate into the individual’s prevailing religious belief system and this can also lead to stress and anxiety. Perceived religious transgressions can cause emotional and psychological anguish. This “religious” and “spiritual pain” can be difficult to distinguish from pure physical pain. And all of these phenomena can have potentially negative effects on the brain.

    Thus, Owen and his colleagues certainly pose a plausible hypothesis. They also cite some of the limitations of their findings, such as the small sample size. More importantly, the causal relationship between brain findings and religion is difficult to clearly establish. Is it possible, for example, that those people with smaller hippocampal volumes are more likely to have specific religious attributes, drawing the causal arrow in the other direction? Further, it might be that the factors leading up to the life-changing events are important and not just the experience itself. Since brain atrophy reflects everything that happens to a person up to that point, one cannot definitively conclude that the most intense experience was in fact the thing that resulted in brain atrophy. So there are many potential factors that could lead to the reported results. (It is also somewhat problematic that stress itself did not correlate with hippocampal volumes since this was one of the potential hypotheses proposed by the authors and thus, appears to undercut the conclusions.) One might ask whether it is possible that people who are more religious suffer greater inherent stress, but that their religion actually helps to protect them somewhat. Religion is frequently cited as an important coping mechanism for dealing with stress.

    This new study is intriguing and important. It makes us think more about the complexity of the relationship between religion and the brain. This field of scholarship, referred to as neurotheology, can greatly advance our understanding of religion, spirituality, and the brain. Continued studies of both the acute and chronic effects of religion on the brain will be highly valuable. For now, we can be certain that religion affects the brain--we just are not certain how.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    So recently God answered an atheist's prayer to win the lotto, but not a Christian's prayer to ressurect her dead son...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Galvasean wrote: »
    So recently God answered an atheist's prayer to win the lotto, but not a Christian's prayer to ressurect her dead son...


    *Ba-Dum-Tiss?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Galvasean wrote: »
    So recently God answered an atheist's prayer to win the lotto, but not a Christian's prayer to ressurect her dead son...

    God answers prayer of paralysed little boy

    "No!" says God


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Galvasean wrote: »
    So recently God answered an atheist's prayer to win the lotto, but not a Christian's prayer to ressurect her dead son...
    god works in mysterious ways.

    so mysterious in fact that it looks almost exactly like random chance. :D


  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kate Echoing Tether


    Galvasean wrote: »
    to ressurect her dead son...

    there can be only one!!!

    *theme music*


  • Moderators Posts: 52,163 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    A Catholic doctor's association in Germany believes it can cure the sexual orientation of gays and lesbians with sugar pills -- though only at their request, the group says. But the homo-homeopathy has been harshly criticized by members of its target community.


    The Lesbian and Gay Federation in Germany (LSVD) is outraged. Following news reported this week by the online magazine Telepolis that the Union of Catholic Physicians (UCP) has been offering homeopathic "Therapy Options for Homosexuality" on their website, the advocacy organization called the suggestion an "insult," and an "impertinence" that showed "a lack of respect for homosexuals and bisexuals."

    The religious association, which calls itself the "voice of the Catholic medical community," writes on its website that while "homosexuality is not an illness," a host of treatments are available to keep such "inclinations" at bay. Possibilities include "constitutional treatments with homeopathic tools … such as homeopathic dilutions like Platinum," "psychotherapy," and "religious counseling." Among homeopathy's controversial treatments are the prescription of "Globuli," tiny pills that consisting mostly of sugar.
    "We know about a number of people with homosexual feelings who find themselves in a spiritual and psychological emergency and suffer greatly," UCP head Gero Winkelmann told SPIEGEL in a written statement. "If someone is unhappy, ill or feels they are in an emergency, they should be able to find options for help with us."

    But the doctor, who runs a private practice with an emphasis on homeopathy in the Bavarian town of Unterhaching, also stressed that the UCP website had not been recently updated, "because the issue is not particularly topical at the moment."

    As for the scientific basis of the treatments offered by the UCP, Winkelmann listed "medical-psychotherapeutic, philosophical and theological literature," the "minority views of psychotherapists," the "teachings of the Catholic church, the Holy Scripture," and the "homeopathy of Samuel Hahnemann," the German physician credited with creating the practice.

    'Dangerous' and 'Laughable'

    But touting ineffective medication for nonexistent suffering is unacceptable, the LSVD said. "The offerings are dangerous," said spokeswoman Renate Rampf. "They use the insecurities of homosexual or bisexual young people and their parents." Such "laughable" therapeutic ministrations are problematic because they can be "destabilizing," she said.

    "All serious experts agree that sexual orientation is already evident in early childhood," she added.

    But Winkelmann defended the treatments, saying his organization's intentions were not meant to "injure or pressure" anyone, but to express a "position and medical opinion" to interested parties.

    The UCP website includes a testimonial from a southern German gay man who writes that he had been happy to find that the organization believed "that changing homosexual tendencies was possible" because finding a therapist to undertake such a task had been difficult. "Unfortunately the widespread opinion among psychotherapists is that homosexuality is inherent and unalterable," he writes.

    While the UCP says it does not represent official Catholic policies, the Church continues to grapple with its approach to homosexuality. Just last month Cologne Archbishop Joachim Meisner withdrew the religious teaching privileges of prominent publicist and pedagogue David Berger after he revealed his homosexuality and criticized the Catholic stance on the issue. The church declared that the teacher could "no longer credibly give Catholic religion lessons on behalf of the Church."
    Though Germany's Protestants tend to take a more liberal approach to homosexuality, conservative members of the church also continue to raise opposition to gay-friendly policies. In 2009 some 30 pastors from the state of North Rhine-Westphalia wrote an open letter to condemn statements made by the church's state president Alfred Buss. "The practice of homosexuality is not consistent with God's creation," said the letter to online news portal Der Westen. Those who discredit therapy for homosexuality deny people "who suffer from homosexual feelings the help to change," the letter continued.

    Meanwhile the World Health Organization (WHO) removed homosexuality from its International Code of Diseases on January 1, 1993. The move brought the "19th century to an end for gays and lesbians 90 years too late," said the LSVD at the time. But perhaps they rejoiced too soon.


    Source

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    ^^^ Thought this was a joke, but apparently, it's legit. Some catholics really do seem to believe that sweetness is stronger than gayness.

    Double-plus weird.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    ^^^^^



    a6f73bd8-bb64-4b4f-857a-0cbb0186e5fd.jpg


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Barney Frank pwns a fundie:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    This is really vile.
    On May 10th of 2007 at around 2:30 in the morning two strangers barged into my bedroom. I started screaming and crying, as in my mind I was sure that these two strangers had broken into my house and were going to abduct me, rape me, kill me, or in some way harm me. They immediately told me that if I did not shut up that they would handcuff me. I was not being in any way violent or threatening. I was reacting in fear for my life by being vocal and hoping that someone would come to help. I had no idea what was going on. I stopped screaming, still in fear for my life. They started going through my closet digging out clothes as I was only in a night gown. They still had not explained what was going on. I asked, frightened, what the wanted from me, trying to see if I could in some way appease them and get them to leave. They then explained that they were going to take me to a school. It took me a second to understand what they meant by this, as this was an extremely bizarre way to introduce a child to a new school. It then occurred to me that this was what my mother had arranged for my brother several years ago when she had him shipped away to Cross Creek. The two strangers were from Teen Escort Service, a for-profit company that transports teenagers, usually by force, to WWASP (World Wide Association of Specialty Programs) facilities.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Here's one that came up over the weekend -- the Philadelphia Bible Riots between catholics and protestants in which many died.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Nativist_Riots


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