Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

phog · 22-05-2011 08:59PM

sock puppet wrote: »

No but that doesn't mean we weren't among the highest bidders. Elsom played for Randwick too I think.

and that's my point, it's not all about the biggest cheque book, most players like to know what a team stands for aside from a huge cheque book, look at Ospreys, masssive money spent there and no great sign of a team spirit.

touts · 23-05-2011 07:46AM

Leroy Lita wrote: »

looks like Stephen Donald will be heading to Bath.
he has been heavily linked with Munster the past while.

anyone have an idea who their new centre signing will be?

A full contract for young Barnes is probably the best we can hope for this side of the World Cup. Anyone decent who is going to move before then has done so by now. Of course there will be loads of crash-bang-carry-into-contact-like-a-lumbering-prop-before-knocking-on-or-being-turned-over sh*te centres looking for contracts out there and we may well get one of them as that seems to be exactly the sort of centre McGahan likes.

buck65 · 23-05-2011 09:00AM

Unfair on McGahan, Sammy T is that type of player granted but deVilliers wasn't, Barnes isn't, Warwick isn't, Mafi likes a sidestep. I think if the cat had kittens McGahan would be blamed.

Amazotheamazing · 23-05-2011 11:20AM

The levels of hype around JJ Hanrahan by people who's opinion I'd respect are reaching Keith Earls levels, which is roughly the highest level of hype we've had in the last decade. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Oddly enough, two people I know who I'd say know more than most about Munster underage don't rate him at all.

phog · 23-05-2011 11:45AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

The levels of hype around JJ Hanrahan by people who's opinion I'd respect are reaching Keith Earls levels, which is roughly the highest level of hype we've had in the last decade. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Oddly enough, two people I know who I'd say know more than most about Munster underage don't rate him at all.

So is he or isn't he

Amazotheamazing · 23-05-2011 11:51AM

phog wrote: »

So is he or isn't he

Don't know, the last player I remember dividing the various opinions was probably Jeremy Staunton (who was a great schools player). Even people who thought Earls needed to work on his overall game could see he was something special.

I've only seen Hanrahan play a handful of times, I'm not sure which camp I'm in yet.

bamboozle · 23-05-2011 12:37PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

The levels of hype around JJ Hanrahan by people who's opinion I'd respect are reaching Keith Earls levels, which is roughly the highest level of hype we've had in the last decade. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Oddly enough, two people I know who I'd say know more than most about Munster underage don't rate him at all.

saw Hanrahan play for UL bohs at Clontarf a while back, big lad for an 18 year old and well able to kick the ball, didnt stand out apart from that and actually seemed sluggish so maybe he wasnt fully fit at the time.

Monty Burnz · 23-05-2011 12:56PM

Hmm...we need a top class backrow...Rocky Elsom is out of contract after the World Cup...

profitius · 23-05-2011 01:24PM

Saw JJ Hanrahan against England in the U20's. He looks to be top class and has huge potential.

irishbucsfan · 23-05-2011 01:26PM

Hypothetical:

Would Munster fans be happy with a swap deal with leinster that saw Donncha O'Callaghan swapped for Rhys Ruddock or Dominic Ryan? Seems to me like Munster could spare 2nd rows (Nagle coming through) and Leinster can spare back rows. Just a hypothetical situation (can't see it ever happening).

profitius · 23-05-2011 01:28PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Hypothetical:

Would Munster fans be happy with a swap deal with leinster that saw Donncha O'Callaghan swapped for Rhys Ruddock or Dominic Ryan? Seems to me like Munster could spare 2nd rows (Nagle coming through) and Leinster can spare back rows. Just a hypothetical situation (can't see it ever happening).

Yeah. Munster have plenty of cover at second row.

Monty Burnz · 23-05-2011 01:29PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Hypothetical:

Would Munster fans be happy with a swap deal with leinster that saw Donncha O'Callaghan swapped for Rhys Ruddock or Dominic Ryan? Seems to me like Munster could spare 2nd rows (Nagle coming through) and Leinster can spare back rows. Just a hypothetical situation (can't see it ever happening).

Yes. Very. But are we that strong in the second row? MOD coming to the twilight years, as is POC (unless one or both is a Simon Shaw type). Nagle is coming through...and...?

phog · 23-05-2011 01:35PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Hmm...we need a top class backrow...Rocky Elsom is out of contract after the World Cup...

and injured again.

23-05-2011 02:18PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yes. Very. But are we that strong in the second row? MOD coming to the twilight years, as is POC (unless one or both is a Simon Shaw type). Nagle is coming through...and...?

POC will never stop.

CluainMeala · 23-05-2011 03:34PM

Brian Hayes is a good player that seems to have the size for ML level. Him and Ian Nagle, I believe will be munster's future second row pairing

Amazotheamazing · 23-05-2011 03:39PM

CluainMeala wrote: »

Brian Hayes is a good player that seems to have the size for ML level. Him and Ian Nagle, I believe will be munster's future second row pairing

Don't write off Dave Foley. He's too light atm but when he gets his bulk up he'll be a very good player, imo. Nagle has lovely hands for a big guy too, saw him passing behind his back in one of the ML games earlier in the season.

That being said, Hayes looks to be a good prospect, big guy already for a youngster.

CluainMeala · 23-05-2011 03:53PM

Ya suppose, but you need a balanced second row. Nagle and Foley are very similar players while Brian Hayes is a DOC type of player. All 3 have very good potential though. I would have Paddy Butler at 8/6 in that future team Hook made on RTE although DOC 2.0 is a quality player. Brian O Hara is also a very good prospect if he bulks up. I reckon Keatley will come on a tone at munster, ROG will bring on his game in every aspect.

Amazotheamazing · 23-05-2011 03:56PM

CluainMeala wrote: »

Ya suppose, but you need a balanced second row. Nagle and Foley are very similar players while Brian Hayes is a DOC type of player. All 3 have very good potential though. I would have Paddy Butler at 8/6 in that future team Hook made on RTE although DOC 2.0 is a quality player. Brian O Hara is also a very good prospect if he bulks up. I reckon Keatley will come on a tone at munster, ROG will bring on his game in every aspect.

What was Hook's team?

I actually see Nagle going in in DOC's role. He can fairly shift himself about. Like Foley he's still a little light.

ambid · 23-05-2011 06:31PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Hypothetical:

Would Munster fans be happy with a swap deal with leinster that saw Donncha O'Callaghan swapped for Rhys Ruddock or Dominic Ryan? Seems to me like Munster could spare 2nd rows (Nagle coming through) and Leinster can spare back rows. Just a hypothetical situation (can't see it ever happening).

Are you frikking kidding??!!! Given DOCs age that would be an awesome deal for Munster and a poor deal for Leinster. Ruddock will be one of the best back rows of his generation, but given Leinster's talent there he probably will end up in red

GerM · 23-05-2011 06:42PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

What was Hook's team?

I actually see Nagle going in in DOC's role. He can fairly shift himself about. Like Foley he's still a little light.

Munster: Hurley, Sherry, Archer, Foley, Nagle, O'Callaghan, O'Mahoney, Coughlan, Murray, Keatley, Earls, Hanrahan, Barnes, Zebo, Jones.

I can only assume that Hook's ignorance is showing again as he appears to think that Coughlan is a youngster and not 30. The team was picked as a side that would be taking the field in several years.

PhatPiggins · 23-05-2011 06:45PM

ambid wrote: »

Are you frikking kidding??!!! Given DOCs age that would be an awesome deal for Munster and a poor deal for Leinster. Ruddock will be one of the best back rows of his generation, but given Leinster's talent there he probably will end up in red

Yeah right Ruddock isn't within an asses roar of the first XV but Leinster only have 2 (1 in a months time) good second rows.

23-05-2011 06:46PM

Yeah I had a giggle at Coughlan's inclusion.

Reckon there's 30 or more posters in here who'd be in a far better place to give an estimate of the team in 2015.

Amazotheamazing, Phatphiggins, phog, thomond2006, profitius, Judgement Day etc etc

CIARAN_BOYLE · 23-05-2011 07:12PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Hypothetical:

Would Munster fans be happy with a swap deal with leinster that saw Donncha O'Callaghan swapped for Rhys Ruddock or Dominic Ryan? Seems to me like Munster could spare 2nd rows (Nagle coming through) and Leinster can spare back rows. Just a hypothetical situation (can't see it ever happening).

I don't think Leinster would be happy with that swap, a young backrow forward for an aging lock who despite his talent doesn't bother half the team for Munster

A more equal question is would Munsterfans be happy with a swap deal Rhys Ruddock for Nagle

finatron · 23-05-2011 07:34PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

What was Hook's team?.

the predicted teams put up by Hook and his Buddys was sad . What was point in trying to predict what the leinster and munster teams will be 4 years time . They put up the teams and off Hook went shouting about How far behide Munster are in development of young plaryers and he basiclly has wrighing off Munster for the next few years (which is great because Hook is wrong almost all the time).
Hook is not the only one trying to predict the end of Munster, in The Times Brendan Fanning wrote that Leinster are " best equipped of the four provinces to cope with the demands of the world cup next season" There is no douth that Leinster are a great team and i can't see that changing any time soon but while Munsters seasons has been poor in the H-Cup they showed in league that there is a strong core of players in the team. What i hope Munster do is show some faith in the younger players starting with the Leinsters match next saturday

Amazotheamazing · 23-05-2011 07:40PM

finatron wrote: »

the predicted teams put up by Hook and his Buddys was sad . What was point in trying to predict what the leinster and munster teams will be 4 years time . They put up the teams and off Hook went shouting about How far behide Munster are in development of young plaryers and he basiclly has wrighing off Munster for the next few years (which is great because Hook is wrong almost all the time).
Hook is not the only one trying to predict the end of Munster, in The Times Brendan Fanning wrote that Leinster are " best equipped of the four provinces to cope with the demands of the world cup next season" There is no douth that Leinster are a great team and i can't see that changing any time soon but while Munsters seasons has been poor in the H-Cup they showed in league that there is a strong core of players in the team. What i hope Munster do is show some faith in the younger players starting with the Leinsters match next saturday

I agree it's a little silly to be predicting who'll actually be starting but it's still indicative to see what sort of depth Munster have, or in some cases haven't.

Do Munster actually have that much coming through?

There's a host of backrowers who we badly need to step up and who aren't really doing so. Guys like POM, BOH, TOD, Butler, etc were badly needed this season to really win their places but none of them really did.

Monty Burnz · 23-05-2011 07:52PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't think Leinster would be happy with that swap, a young backrow forward for an aging lock who despite his talent doesn't bother half the team for Munster

A more equal question is would Munsterfans be happy with a swap deal Rhys Ruddock for Nagle

It's not meant to be an equal swap.

PhatPiggins · 23-05-2011 07:56PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not meant to be an equal swap.

We're havin Ruddock after next seaon and thats the end of it. The sooner you accept it the easier it will be for you to deal with when it happens. If you're lucky we'll give you Denis Fogarty in exchange but the drinks will be on you for the next 3 seasons. Got it

finatron · 23-05-2011 08:15PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Do Munster actually have that much coming through?.

i think Sherry, Archer, Foley, Nagle,Murray, Barnes and Zebo have shown they can make it as good H-Cup players and the world cup will give these guys the chance to step up.
With Axle taking over as forwards coach i hope Munster can get back some of the grit and smarts that have been missing the last two years and pass on his experience to the younger players .

Amazotheamazing · 23-05-2011 08:27PM

finatron wrote: »

i think Sherry, Archer, Foley, Nagle,Murray, Barnes and Zebo have shown they can make it as good H-Cup players and the world cup will give these guys the chance to step up.
With Axle taking over as forwards coach i hope Munster can get back some of the grit and smarts that have been missing the last two years and pass on his experience to the younger players .

While that's true, we badly need some homegrown backrowers. Lot of guys with potential but very few of them delivering on it yet.

finatron · 23-05-2011 08:44PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Lot of guys with potential but very few of them delivering on it yet.

I think Archer, Foley and Nagle are 3 players with a lot of potential but as you say not delivering but in there defence they have not been giving a chance in the bigger games (apart fom the Australian game)

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