Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

PhatPiggins · 19-04-2011 01:29PM

buck65 wrote: »

Yes. It would. However I think Tom is being written off a bit as below average i.e not good enough for a squad place which I disagree with. Personally I would like to see him get a run.

Yeah thats fair enough. He's always been unlucky with injuries but at least he's a proper centre and not just a winger/full back shoved in there. Most of the young lads have shown their up to it this season when they've been given 2/3 consecutive starts.

bazzajf · 19-04-2011 03:28PM

Please see XV below, I am trying to put myself in the mind of McGahan in assessing what he has in mind for next Season in terms of his preferred line-up.

Obviously we will be waving goodbye to Buckely, Tuitupou, Dowling, Quinlan, Dave Ryan, Warwick and perhaps John Hayes.

At this point, we will be welcoming BJ Botha and Ian Keatley into the fray and there will obviously be one or two more new signings, most likely a NIQ centre and also a backrow signing.

2011/12 - McGahan's XV

15 - Jones
14 - Howlett
13 - NIQ New Signing (probably Nonu or Toeava)
12 - Mafi
11 - Earls
10 - ROG
9 - O'Leary
8 - Coughlan
7 - Wallace
6 - Leamy
5 - DOC
4 - POC
3 - Botha
2 - Flannery (if fit)
1 - Du Preez

There will probably be a signing in the backrow also to compete with Leamy and Coughlan, that signing cannot be NIQ if we have used NIQ remaining spot to sign a centre.

Am I misjudging what is in mind for 2011/12 and if so, why/how? Any feedback is welcome.

DerTierarzt · 19-04-2011 03:36PM

Interesting stuff. Seeing as the discussion has swayed towards transfers, I was wondering if I could gather your opinions on past signings... More specifically, how do you think Declan Kidney's signings match up to Tony McGahan's?

profitius · 19-04-2011 04:28PM

Is Corey Hircock any good?

sioda · 19-04-2011 06:18PM

How long did JdV sign for??

Any chance of him returning. Feel he could fit into the more running back play we are developing of late

thomond2006 · 20-04-2011 11:20AM

Munster's training session at Cork IT's Bishopstown grounds on Thursday, as they prepare to face the Ospreys, will be open to the public.

Any supporters wishing to attend the open session are advised to arrive at the Bishopstown venue at 3.30pm.

It will be a full squad session that will include those involved in the Magners League game against the Ospreys on Saturday, as well as the 'A' squad that will travel to Manchester for a clash with Moseley.

Scrum half Tomas O'Leary is expected to take part in either of those games having recovered from the eye injury he sustained in training with Ireland squad during the Six Nations Championship.

O'Leary completed the contact work during Tuesday's run-out for the players at Thomond Park and is eager for a return to action as Munster continue their bid for Magners League and Amlin Challenge Cup glory.

Fellow backs Johne Murphy and Declan Cusack will not feature as a result of injuries picked up in last Saturday's league win at the Scarlets.

Out-half Cusack injured a shoulder and centre Murphy had to retire in the second half with an eye injury. Both players will undergo further medical examination this week.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/provincial/news/22982.php

phog · 20-04-2011 02:36PM

Ticket Info for the M/L semi-final

Magners League Semi-Final - Ticket Information
20 Apr 2011
Thomond Park Stadium, Fri 13th or Sat 14th May, date and kick-off time to be confirmed.

Munster have qualified for the Magners League Semi Final which will be played at Thomond Park Stadium on either Friday 13th or Saturday 14th May. The opposition, day and kick-off time have not yet been confirmed. (Expect date to be confirmed w/c 2nd May, opposition confirmation following Round 22 on 6th May)

We are firstly offering all members with a Magners League season ticket the opportunity of purchasing as follows;

Thomond Park Magners League season ticket holders;

Can purchase the same ticket that you have for this season's Magners League matches. This option is available from today Wednesday 20th up to Monday next 25th April.

Musgrave Park Magners League season ticket holders;

Can purchase a ticket eqivalent to what you have for Magners League matches i.e. uncovered seating may purchase a Stand Ticket, terrace may purchase a terrace ticket, terrace with junior may purchase a terrace with junior. Please note we are offering tickets as similar as possible to what you have in Musgrave Park. This option is available from today Wednesday 20th up to Monday next 25th April.

Combined season ticket holders

Can purchase as per your Thomond Park season ticket type only (as per Thomond Park season ticket holders information above)

Additional Tickets

We do expect to open up a sale to all new and existing members on Tuesday next 26th April at 12 noon to Thursday 28th at 12 noon, allowing members to select from various locations in the stadium and allowing more than one ticket per member. This sale will also include a limited number of junior tickets and Family Packs. The sale to members from today is to allow members to secure their same or similar season ticket only - if you wish to choose another location we advise waiting until next Tuesday to purchase.

25% of the ticket allocation is held for the visiting team until one week before the match, in accordance with the tournament rules. Any returned tickets from the visiting team will be put on general public sale on Tuesday 10th May.

To Purchase;

- Enter your Membership ID Number and Password at top right hand corner of page (if you do not have your password click Retrieve Password tab and it will be emailed to you)
- Click Tickets
- Select Magners League Semi-Final and your ticket will be on view to purchase.

Members can choose to collect their ticket in Cork or Limerick or to have it posted - please note that all tickets will be posted to the shipping address entered at time of purchasing.

Tickets are priced as follows;

Category A Stand - 40 euro
Category B Stand - 30 euro
Terrace - 20 euro
Junior Terrace - 10 euro
Terrace Family Packs (2+2) - 40 euro
Category B Stand Family Packs (1+1) - 40 euro

A standard 2.50 euro transaction fee will apply.
Tickets will be paper tickets (this is subject to change)

phog · 20-04-2011 02:40PM

Full Membership for 2011/12 will approach 5,000
20 Apr 2011
We are delighted to be able to advise members that our allocation of Heineken Cup tickets for 2011/12 and subsequent years has been increased to over 4,900.

This allows us to increase full membership numbers.

Full membership costs €80 X 4,900 members will fetch nearly €400K for Munster rugby. That doesn't include the €30 that associate members pay.

[Jackass] · 20-04-2011 02:56PM

9.
10. Keatley
11. Dowling (I know, I know)
12. Tonetti
13. Murphy
14. Hurley
15. Jones

Munster's "Leinster A" backline so far. If the swoop for Carr was successfull they'd only be short of a scrum half.

I have to agree with previous post that if Munster produce a back who can catch a ball he gets a 2 page write up in the Examiner. A lot of completely overhyped players. Earls is the only one that ever actually grew into a capable player, but he got a Lions tour out of the hype, where it literally was watching a school boy standard player play international rugby, I winced many times.

He'll do a lot better next time.

Monty Burnz · 20-04-2011 03:09PM

[QUOTE='[Jackass]A lot of completely overhyped players. Earls is the only one that ever actually grew into a capable player, but he got a Lions tour out of the hype, where it literally was watching a school boy standard player play international rugby, I winced many times.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. I winced as this schoolboy-standard player scored against the Emerging Springboks. It's a real indictment of the standard of player the World Champs are able to produce, if an ordinary Irish schools level players can cut through them so easily. :rolleyes:

profitius · 20-04-2011 03:10PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

9.
10. Keatley
11. Dowling (I know, I know)
12. Tonetti
13. Murphy
14. Hurley
15. Jones

Munster's "Leinster A" backline so far. If the swoop for Carr was successfull they'd only be short of a scrum half.

I have to agree with previous post that if Munster produce a back who can catch a ball he gets a 2 page write up in the Examiner. A lot of completely overhyped players. Earls is the only one that ever actually grew into a capable player, but he got a Lions tour out of the hype, where it literally was watching a school boy standard player play international rugby, I winced many times.

He'll do a lot better next time.

Earls didn't get on the tour because of hype. He scored some cracking tries that season and is now showing that hes a world class player in the making. It probably came too early for him and he admitted himself that the British papers questioning him in there effected his performances. He got some good tries though if I remember correctly.

[Jackass] · 20-04-2011 03:12PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Indeed. I winced as this schoolboy-standard player scored against the Emerging Springboks. It's a real indictment of the standard of player the World Champs are able to produce, if an ordinary Irish schools level players can cut through them so easily. :rolleyes:

Ouch, you picked the game where he cost the Lions the game...bad example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG12OYiHZRc

Running in an unapposed, set-piece try only requires catching a ball btw.

profitius · 20-04-2011 03:16PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdkuVKAm15c

Monty Burnz · 20-04-2011 03:20PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

Running in an unapposed, set-piece try only requires catching a ball btw.

He didn't run in an 'unapposed' set-piece try. I suggest you watch the highlights again. And I won't bother with lecturing you about defensive systems, preparation time and judgement calls, because I'm sure you know all about it already.

Seriously, where do we get them from?

Edit: Watching it again, I don't see what else he could have done there - he couldn't drift until 21 and 15 were out of the game, and Williams (?) doesn't go for the tackle at all but lets 21 advance until it was too late for Earls to drift anyway. Can you at least find a clear-cut example, ideally where Earls is actually at fault? (hint: he dropped a couple of high balls in his first game)

20-04-2011 03:23PM

Jackass what are you up to? That's full on **** stirring, reminiscent of a certain 'notlow'ground.

Fwiw. Earls definitely was made a lion by the papers, but he's since earned the right to be in contention for the next tour. Who knows what would've happened had he not travelled? Who cares tbh, he did, an now he's where he is at, finally nailing a position down and finding some serious form. If he keeps it up, it will be Earls Bowe AN Other as our back 3 come WC time, and i've zero problem entrusting him with an Ireland jersey.

SomeFool · 20-04-2011 03:29PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

9.
10. Keatley - developed in Connacht
11. Dowling (I know, I know) never in the Leinster set up
12. Tonetti don't think this is definate yet
13. Murphy developed at Leicester
14. Hurley learned his rugby in UCC and Cork Con
15. Jones

I'll give you Jones, the rest is just a poor trolling attempt. We get it, you don't rate Earls.

GerM · 20-04-2011 03:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Earls definitely was made a lion by the papers, .

I reckon POC would have been the main reason he was a Lion. The captain has a significant say in the selections. Alan Quinlan was selected on the basis that he was someone that could play a major role in bringing the group together to be a team rather than a collection of players; I don't think he was ever realistically selected with a test spot in mind. POC would have been the only one who had that insight. Also, BOD had Ollie Smith selected in 2005 I recall after facing him in the quarter final. There was hype from the media in relation to Earls, but not the same level as someone like Tom Croft who was omitted from the original touring party.

Monty Burnz · 20-04-2011 03:30PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKbHfjAYur0

[Jackass] wrote: »

Running in an unapposed, set-piece try only requires catching a ball btw.

Where's that five-mullah facepalm picture when I need it?

Risteard · 20-04-2011 03:36PM

Earls did have a lot of hype going into the Lions tour. But he also had some good performances behind him. He was still a very raw player. Plus he's said himself that he struggles/struggled with confidence and backing himself and this would have been worse getting into the Lions in his first proper season. I don't think he was in the frame for a test place.

He's matured into a lot better player now and I'm sure that Lions experience stood a lot to him. He looks a lot more assured when on the ball and hopefully, he can keep being played on the wing where he looks his most dangerous.

[Jackass] · 20-04-2011 03:44PM

Oh sorry, he made a step, what a hero.

Ah Emmet, it is a bit of stirring, but sometimes I just can't help myself. If anything, it's their fault for making it fun. My point about Earls though was that he purely made that tour on hype. No reflection on him now.

RE the Leinster A backline, Keatley "developed at Connacht" was let go after 3 years in Leinster academy and 10 years of rugby at my school and club, Belvo, Dowling played AIL in Leinster, Tonettie same as Keatley (developed at schools, club and academy), Murphyis the same as Keatley and Tonetti, but actually has made appearances for Leinster afaik.

Hurley, you can have him. Thanks for giving us Jones.

PhatPiggins · 20-04-2011 03:46PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

9.
10. Keatley
11. Dowling (I know, I know)
12. Tonetti
13. Murphy
14. Hurley
15. Jones

Munster's "Leinster A" backline so far. If the swoop for Carr was successfull they'd only be short of a scrum half.

I have to agree with previous post that if Munster produce a back who can catch a ball he gets a 2 page write up in the Examiner. A lot of completely overhyped players. Earls is the only one that ever actually grew into a capable player, but he got a Lions tour out of the hype, where it literally was watching a school boy standard player play international rugby, I winced many times.

He'll do a lot better next time.

At least before when you used to come on at all hours pissed the rants were amusing now they're just childish.

What happened to you man? You used to be beautiful

20-04-2011 03:48PM

**** stir in "our" thread so, where it can be easily seen as banter, instead of sneaking into the "enemy" camp and tarring it on their Walls in the depths of night!

[Jackass] · 20-04-2011 03:48PM

Em, I lived in Toronto for over a year with a 5 hour time difference (my midnight was your 5am)

buck65 · 20-04-2011 03:58PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

Oh sorry, he made a step, what a hero.

Ah Emmet, it is a bit of stirring, but sometimes I just can't help myself. If anything, it's their fault for making it fun. My point about Earls though was that he purely made that tour on hype. No reflection on him now.

RE the Leinster A backline, Keatley "developed at Connacht" was let go after 3 years in Leinster academy and 10 years of rugby at my school and club, Belvo, Dowling played AIL in Leinster, Tonettie same as Keatley (developed at schools, club and academy), Murphyis the same as Keatley and Tonetti, but actually has made appearances for Leinster afaik.

Hurley, you can have him. Thanks for giving us Jones.

Didn't think people said that anymore. Who's going to win the Heino Cup?

GerM · 20-04-2011 04:04PM

buck65 wrote: »

Didn't think people said that anymore. Who's going to win the Heino Cup?

Don't think anyone ever stopped calling them Belvo in fairness. Even at the weekend you could hear everyone shouting for "Belvo" on the television. They've been called Belvo for as long as I can remember and all over the country too.

[Jackass] · 20-04-2011 04:13PM

buck65 wrote: »

Didn't think people said that anymore. Who's going to win the Heino Cup?

lol........:rolleyes:

Been to a match much? Been called that for over 100 years now...the chant never changed.

And I can tell you who wont win the Heino... the turnip picking pikey's :eek:

RuggieBear · 20-04-2011 04:57PM

jackass banned.

when the ban is up you are not to post on this thread again

CatFromHue · 20-04-2011 05:09PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

Ouch, you picked the game where he cost the Lions the game...bad example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG12OYiHZRc

Running in an unapposed, set-piece try only requires catching a ball btw.

the difference between this try and the one italy scored against us and one of the ones saracens scored against leinster isnt much in my opinion.

both times the last defender neglected the last attacker.

in earls case its classed as a schoolboy error, against italy and saracens its just that luke fitz needs more time to get his form back!

to say the papers selected earls is a bit much in my opinion too. why would ian mcgeechan, gatland or edwards bow to media pressure?

he played 20 games for munster scoring 10 trys. munster were heineken cup semi finalists, qualified 2nd overall from the group stages and won the magners league.

munster pretty much steam rolled that season (accept in the semi against leinster that is) and earls was a big part in that success.

donfers · 20-04-2011 05:19PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

lol........:rolleyes:

Been to a match much? Been called that for over 100 years now...the chant never changed.

And I can tell you who wont win the Heino... the turnip picking pikey's :eek:

i don't know, i think toulouse have every chance, they breed them rural folk tougher you see

anyone got the youtube clip of earls driving heaslip into touch and on his arse during the recent magners league game?

Monty Burnz · 20-04-2011 05:41PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

both times the last defender neglected the last attacker.

in earls case its classed as a schoolboy error, against italy and saracens its just that luke fitz needs more time to get his form back!

Look at the position here - bear in mind there are two Boks outside the ball-carrier, and no Lions past Earls. In this shot here you can see that he is fixed by the runner in front of him, he can't drift because it looks like the ball-carrier is heading at Williams. If Earls drifts here and Williams gets involved in the tackle then the player opposite Earls has a walk-in for a try.

As it turns out, the ball-carrier passes without committing Williams, but due to a lack of communication Earls has been fixed.

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