Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Sin a bhfuil · 10-04-2011 03:21PM

jolley123 wrote: »

Agreed! Especially since Leinsters back three were playing against Leicester, who obviously aren't a patch on the mighty Brive.

On a serious note, Jones has looked very promising. Counter-attacking comes naturally to him, which is something thats lacking in Irish rugby.
Earls is without doubt Irelands 11, the idea of him and Bowe playing together is something I look forward to.

Are you saying that not one of the Leinster back 3 would make the Ireland back 3 then?

10-04-2011 03:22PM

11 Earls
14 Bowe
15 TBC

Pretty clear to everyone really

Bogsnorkler · 10-04-2011 03:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

11 Earls
14 Bowe
15 TBC

Pretty clear to everyone really

Duffy?

jolley123 · 10-04-2011 03:27PM

Sin a bhfuil wrote: »

Are you saying that not one of the Leinster back 3 would make the Ireland back 3 then?

Yes and no. I'm saying that if Leinster are to have a player in the back three it would be at full-back, because right now our best wingers are Tommy Bowe and Keith Earls.

10-04-2011 03:30PM

Bogsnorkler wrote: »

Duffy?

think it'd be a great call tbh. Kidney just can't see it though. Baffling, as its either himself or D'Arcy at Ulster that will be the only two players playing full back this year as we get to the WC.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 10-04-2011 03:36PM

TheRevolution wrote: »

How did you figure that one out? The two back 3s came up against each other only the other week. Munster's back 3 didn't even come close to scoring a try whereas Leinster's back 3 SOB created a magnificent try.

Deleted User wrote: »

11 Earls
14 Bowe
15 TBC

Pretty clear to everyone really

Kearney and Murphy will have very little rugby played before the WC so there are question marks around them travelling. Fitz has shown that he isn't an option at FB as he isn't anyway safe under a highball. The options for me at present are:

11 Trimble/McFadden/Fitz
14 Bowe
15 Earls

or

11 Earls
14 Bowe
15 Jones

I'd love to see the second option as I think it would be our best option, but it will probably 6months too early unless he can earn a callup to the squad, similar to Earls and the Lions.

10-04-2011 03:41PM

And Murray at 9?

Jones is good, I like him, he's impressed me more than once. But do you think you're jumping the gun even just the slightest?

ormond lad · 10-04-2011 03:55PM

Hayes And Pienaar Selected For Barbarians

10 April 2011, 12:18 pm
By Editor

Munster and Ireland veteran John Hayes has received an invitation to play for the Barbarians in their June clash with Wales

Munster prop John Hayes and Ulster half-back Ruan Pienaar are both set to play for the Barbarians for the first time, having been named in the squad to face Wales at the Millennium Stadium on Saturday, June 4.
The first six players included in the Barbarians squad have been revealed, and John Hayes and Ruan Pienaar are amongst them.

There are three Rugby World Cup winners in the form of Pienaar and his South African colleague Francois Steyn, along with England's Iain Balshaw.
The Baa Baas will also boast at least two players with more than 100 Test caps to their name - long-serving Ireland prop Hayes and Australian flanker George Smith.
The current list for the invitational squad is completed by Italy captain Sergio Parisse, who recaptured some of his best form during this year's Six Nations.
The match on June 4 in Cardiff is to mark the 130th anniversary of the Welsh Rugby Union. The Barbarians will be coached by current Cardiff Blues boss David Young.
"We have the spine of a pretty impressive line-up already and there will be plenty more names in the coming weeks which will whet the appetite for what should be a spectacular game of rugby," explained Young.
"It will be interesting for me personally coaching against Wales and against a side with probably many of my own regional squad players in it.
"But Barbarians rugby is infectious and when you get that many class players in a changing room they are all winners through and through and the coach's job is made easy.
"I'm particularly looking forward to fielding a back row with (Sergio) Parisse and (George) Smith playing together and, knowing who we plan to slot in alongside them, it's going to be a pretty exciting trio.
"John Hayes has been a thorn in the side of many Welsh teams in the past and you can't ask much more than having three World Cup winners to choose from in your back-line."
Both Hayes and Pienaar, who played against each other at Ravenhill back in October, are hoping to help their respective provinces secure silverware before the season ends.
Munster are on course for a Magners League and Amlin Challenge Cup double, while Ulster are challenging for both the Magners League and Heineken Cup titles.
The 37-year-old Hayes is closing in on his 200th Munster cap. He came off the bench to make his 100th appearance in European competition against Brive on Saturday - 99 in the Heineken Cup and one in the Amlin Challenge Cup.
Tickets for the Wales v Barbarians match are available from www.wru.co.uk/tickets. The prices are adults £40/£30, under-18s enclosure £15, and family of four (2 adults, 2 children) £100.
from http://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/index.php

Sin a bhfuil · 10-04-2011 04:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And Murray at 9?

Jones is good, I like him, he's impressed me more than once. But do you think you're jumping the gun even just the slightest?

A SH isn't such a big issue as fullback for Ireland.

Declan Kidney always likes to spring someone from no where - Hurly against Gloucester, Tomas O'Leary made his debut against the ABs (and it wasn't because someone was injured).

Don't forget that Jones (with all of about 40 mins of Magners League rugby) was the fullback for the Churchill Cup that Kidney coached.

10-04-2011 04:04PM

I know, the Murray thing was a joke.

But to suggest that Jones after 4?? performances is walking into the Ireland 15 is fairly bizarre.

Cool the jets is all I'm saying.

thomond2006 · 10-04-2011 04:06PM

Internationals will probably be rested next week for Scarlets away. Hopefully Nagle will get gametime.

TheRevolution · 10-04-2011 04:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know, the Murray thing was a joke.

But to suggest that Jones after 4?? performances is walking into the Ireland 15 is fairly bizarre.

Cool the jets is all I'm saying.

This is the same poster who said Barry Murphy would have had something like 50 international caps if it wasn't for injuries.

TheHighRoad · 10-04-2011 04:15PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

After yesterday's game, I think that my claim that Munster's back 3 is more dangerous than Leinster's is truly justified (despite Nacewa's brilliance). We have a back three to match anyone else's in the NH in attack. Hopefully Jones can stay injury free and show why Cheika was so p*ssed off about him leaving.

Too much salt water captain :pac: Leinsters back 3 are much more dangerous and are a large part of why Leinster are currently in the semi final of the Heineken Cup. I think you're getting a bit carried away after seeing the Munster back 3 do well against Brive, a team who are near the bottom of the Top 14.

Sin a bhfuil · 10-04-2011 04:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know, the Murray thing was a joke.

But to suggest that Jones after 4?? performances is walking into the Ireland 15 is fairly bizarre.

Cool the jets is all I'm saying.

With the injuries problems with Geordan Murphy & Kearney, its not that outragious. How many HC starts did Fergus McFaddan have before his 6Ns start? Its not as if Jones is an 18/19 year old kid. It would be stupid to rule him out. He played well against Leinster and away in France. Hopefully he will get a few more intense matches to see how he fares, and if he fares well, he should go to the world cup as he will have as much if not more playing time as any other Irish qualified fullback by then.

Sin a bhfuil · 10-04-2011 04:29PM

TheHighRoad wrote: »

Too much salt water captain :pac: Leinsters back 3 are much more dangerous and are a large part of why Leinster are currently in the semi final of the Heineken Cup. I think you're getting a bit carried away after seeing the Munster back 3 do well against Brive, a team who are near the bottom of the Top 14.

I think you could give the Leinster pack a bit more credit and I'd single out Nacewa in attack for special praise (Captain claimed that Munster's back 3 were better attackers). Leinster have a fantastic defense - not many tries scored against Leinster recently. Probably the best defense in Europe.

10-04-2011 04:31PM

Sin a bhfuil wrote: »

With the injuries problems with Geordan Murphy & Kearney, its not that outragious. How many HC starts did Fergus McFaddan have before his 6Ns start? Its not as if Jones is an 18/19 year old kid. It would be stupid to rule him out. He played well against Leinster and away in France. Hopefully he will get a few more intense matches to see how he fares, and if he fares well, he should go to the world cup as he will have as much if not more playing time as any other Irish qualified fullback by then.

2/3? Maybe 30 Magners League games too.

McFadden isn't new news to Leinster/Ireland.

Jones is a known unknown. We know he could be great, we don't know much else about him yet.

sock puppet · 10-04-2011 04:32PM

Sin a bhfuil wrote: »

With the injuries problems with Geordan Murphy & Kearney, its not that outragious. How many HC starts did Fergus McFaddan have before his 6Ns start? Its not as if Jones is an 18/19 year old kid. It would be stupid to rule him out. He played well against Leinster and away in France. Hopefully he will get a few more intense matches to see how he fares, and if he fares well, he should go to the world cup as he will have as much if not more playing time as any other Irish qualified fullback by then.

If he plays well for the remainder of the season then you could argue he deserves a shot in the warm up games. Not a chance he'll go to the world cup based solely on provincial form.

Sin a bhfuil · 10-04-2011 04:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

2/3? Maybe 30 Magners League games too.

McFadden isn't new news to Leinster/Ireland.

Jones is a known unknown. We know he could be great, we don't know much else about him yet.

He is not unknown to Kidney either who had him at the Churchill Cup. The fact that he came back as well as he did after two big injuries says a lot about the mental strength of him. He did fine against Leinster in what would have only been his second game since last September (out of a total of 12 for Munster).

10-04-2011 04:46PM

Sin a bhfuil wrote: »

He is not unknown to Kidney either who had him at the Churchill Cup. The fact that he came back as well as he did after two big injuries says a lot about the mental strength of him. He did fine against Leinster in what would have only been his second game since last September (out of a total of 12 for Munster).

Agreed, and as I've posted above, I like Jones.

What I'm saying is that expecting him to play 15 for Ireland is incredibly premature.

How is this not obvious to everyone? Dominic Ryan has had more gametime than him this season, Adam D'Arcy at Ulster has had more games and MotMs than him this season. Duffy has had more games than he has.

He has potential, correct, is he Ireland's 15 based on the last 3 games? Absolutely not. Might he be come WC, perhaps, if I could see the future I wouldn't be on a rugby forum though.

TheRevolution · 10-04-2011 04:47PM

To be honest, if were seriously considering bringing a young full back then surely it has to be Adam D'arcy? The lads been playing well all season for Ulster! Jones was anonymous against Leinster and then did well against a poor french side and suddenly hes starting for Ireland at 15?? And D'arcy isn't even mentioned!

Cpt_Blackbeard · 10-04-2011 04:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And Murray at 9?

Jones is good, I like him, he's impressed me more than once. But do you think you're jumping the gun even just the slightest?

Thats why I said it came 6 months too early for him. He needs have played more rugby against top teams to see if any aspects of his game can be found out eg. Luke and the highball. But he does look like a fairly complete player.

Murray is in the same boat as Jones. He has the potential to be the most complete 9 in the country but the WC has probably come too soon for him as he too may have some aspect of his game found out.

9 and 15 are the weakest spots in the Irish team, so it wouldn't be too crazy to see the 2 lads travel. Other players who have put their hands up like Spence, Tuohy, Ruddock and Ryan are less likely to travel in my eyes because they are trying to break into areas of the team that we are much stronger in.

Sin a bhfuil · 10-04-2011 04:48PM

sock puppet wrote: »

If he plays well for the remainder of the season then you could argue he deserves a shot in the warm up games. Not a chance he'll go to the world cup based solely on provincial form.

That is all I'd expect that he would be looked at in the warm up games. Luke looks like to be a failed experiment as a fullback and we have no idea how long it will take either Murphy or Kearney to come back to their best after such serious injuries.

This is a bit of a turnaround for this forum who usually complain bitterly that youth isn't get a chance and Australia/o'Connor are frequently cited as the way Ireland should be doing things.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 10-04-2011 04:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How is this not obvious to everyone? Dominic Ryan has had more gametime than him this season, Adam D'Arcy at Ulster has had more games and MotMs than him this season. Duffy has had more games than he has.

I don't think that D'Arcy should be capped unless we are having serious problems at 15. He has only been in the country a year and I doubt he considers himself Irish.

The whole issue of the granny rule and project players is a totally different issue and would deserve a thread of its own if its to be discussed.

Sin a bhfuil · 10-04-2011 04:57PM

TheRevolution wrote: »

To be honest, if were seriously considering bringing a young full back then surely it has to be Adam D'arcy? The lads been playing well all season for Ulster! Jones was anonymous against Leinster and then did well against a poor french side and suddenly hes starting for Ireland at 15?? And D'arcy isn't even mentioned!

I don't think D'Arcy has re-signed for Ulster next season and maybe in two minds as to which country he wants to play international rugby for anyway.

I disagree with your statement about Jones being anonymous - Munster kept the ball very tight.

10-04-2011 04:59PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

I don't think that D'Arcy should be capped unless we are having serious problems at 15. He has only been in the country a year and I doubt he considers himself Irish.

The whole issue of the granny rule and project players is a totally different issue and would deserve a thread of its own if its to be discussed.

luckily enough, nobody involved in the selection process mind what your values are.

Your doubt is pure and utter speculation, and for all you know Adam D'Arcy is Planxty's biggest fan, studying a degree in Irish History, after spending years in Australia waiting to come home.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 10-04-2011 05:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

luckily enough, nobody involved in the selection process mind what your values are.

Your doubt is pure and utter speculation, and for all you know Adam D'Arcy is Planxty's biggest fan, studying a degree in Irish History, after spending years in Australia waiting to come home.

Of course its speculation, thats why it was presented as a personal opinion. :rolleyes:

But would you be happy supporting an "Irish" team made up of (provided that they were all brilliant players):
1. Tom Court
2. Richart Strauss
3. Peter Borlase
4. Steve Sykes
8. Robbie Diack
9. Isaac Boss
10. Jeremy Manning
12. Shaun Berne
15. Adam D'Arcy

10-04-2011 05:14PM

I've never had any problem with Isaac Boss or Tom Court.

I'd be more than happy for someone like Strauss, who's come to Ireland, made a serious contribution to Irish Rugby for 3 years to play for Ireland.

I'd be even happier for someone such as D'Arcy with Irish Heritage, coming "home" as they may see it, and playing in the Irish Jersey.

Its for another thread, I'll agree there. All I wanted to do was to get you to see that you're getting miiiiiiiles ahead of yourself and to calm down with the "Jones is the Bestest 15 in Ireland" craic.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-04-2011 05:29PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Of course its speculation, thats why it was presented as a personal opinion. :rolleyes:

But would you be happy supporting an "Irish" team made up of (provided that they were all brilliant players):
1. Tom Court
2. Richart Strauss
3. Peter Borlase
4. Steve Sykes
8. Robbie Diack
9. Isaac Boss
10. Jeremy Manning
12. Shaun Berne
15. Adam D'Arcy

I added a few non Irish born players who are IQ and a few more projects to the list or who grew up abroad just to make up the full 15, you could add Miah Nikora and Brett Wilkinson to the list too if anyone wants to do up a bench

1. Tom Court
2. Richart Strauss
3. Peter Borlase
4. Steve Sykes
5. Mike McCarthy
6. Rhys Ruddock
7. Ray Ofisa
8. Robbie Diack
9. Isaac Boss
10. Jeremy Manning
11. Jared Payne
12. Shaun Berne
13 Niva Ta'auso
14 Troy Nathan
15. Adam D'Arcy

EDIT by the way I need a few more games to be convinced of Jones for Ireland calls but I hope he does it through the rest of the ML, and in the semi and final of the ACC and the ML

CouchSmart · 10-04-2011 05:34PM

Shaun Berne isn't eligible for Ireland. Rhys Ruddock's mam is Irish, hardly counts as a foreign national? Not that any of this has to do with Munster..

Podge_irl · 10-04-2011 05:42PM

Rhys Ruddock was born in Ireland. Ciaran was born in Wales.

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