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UN workers killed in Afghanistan

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  • #92
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    irishconvert wrote: »
    Because some people in some parts of the world are a bit crazy.

    Most Muslims are crazy. The only ones I met who are not crazy, are the gay ones ;)


  • #93
    Predator_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Predator_


    They shouldn't have been in the country. Invaders know the risks.


  • #94
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    From what i saw at Aljeezera, this guy said the protestors were generally peaceful, but some tried to take the guns off the security guards at the UN compound.
    Then the UN security guards started firing at the crowd.

    Then the crowd got angry.


  • #95
    Zane Breezy Pebble
    Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Zane Breezy Pebble


    irishconvert wrote: »
    If I go into a pub in certain parts of Dublin for example, and make certain comments, I will end up in the ICU in St James Hospital. You get crazy extreme people in this world, of all religions, and of no religions.

    If you're trying to blame this killing on Islam, then tell me, how come Muslims in UK and Ireland don't kick off in the same way?

    They don't kick off? Really? Did I imagine those Tube bombings a few years ago and the constant security alerts all over London? Obviously most Muslims don't support terrorism and murder, but there is a definite attitude here in the UK that people should walk on eggshells to avoid offending the poor, oversensitive Muslims and it's grating on my nerves more and more lately. And I'm someone who grew up in northern England with mainly Muslim friends. I knew something was starting to go wrong when my school (officially a Church of England school) stopped putting on Nativity plays and we stopped singing Christmas carols and hymns.

    I'm sick to death of the way so many Muslims (and it is so many) expect other people to bend over backwards to accommodate them while being unwilling to accept the way of life in the country they CHOOSE to live in. I'm a TEFL teacher and I had a student complain to my boss because my social outing this month involved going to the pub for an hour (the only outing involving alcohol all term) and I ended up cancelling it. He says he can't be in places where alcohol is served. So instead of realising that this is HIS problem and skipping the outing, or simply coming along and not drinking, he ruined it for the other 20 students who would have loved to have gone to the pub and then he wondered why everyone was so annoyed with him. It's bullying, plain and simple, and so was this attack, on a much bigger scale, obviously. 'If you do something I don't like, there will be consequences'. Burning religious books is never cool, but what sort of psycho takes that as a licence to behead people? And it wasn't ONE nutter, it was hordes of people.


  • #96
    Palmach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Palmach


    irishconvert wrote: »
    This is not Islam. Islam is against murder like this.

    Like this? Other murders...say of adulterers, Jews and such like would be just fine?
    Zane Breezy Pebble wrote: »
    They don't kick off? Really? Did I imagine those Tube bombings a few years ago and the constant security alerts all over London? Obviously most Muslims don't support terrorism and murder, but there is a definite attitude here in the UK that people should walk on eggshells to avoid offending the poor, oversensitive Muslims and it's grating on my nerves more and more lately. And I'm someone who grew up in northern England with mainly Muslim friends. I knew something was starting to go wrong when my school (officially a Church of England school) stopped putting on Nativity plays and we stopped singing Christmas carols and hymns.

    I'm sick to death of the way so many Muslims (and it is so many) expect other people to bend over backwards to accommodate them while being unwilling to accept the way of life in the country they CHOOSE to live in. I'm a TEFL teacher and I had a student complain to my boss because my social outing this month involved going to the pub for an hour (the only outing involving alcohol all term) and I ended up cancelling it. He says he can't be in places where alcohol is served. So instead of realising that this is HIS problem and skipping the outing, or simply coming along and not drinking, he ruined it for the other 20 students who would have loved to have gone to the pub and then he wondered why everyone was so annoyed with him. It's bullying, plain and simple, and so was this attack, on a much bigger scale, obviously. 'If you do something I don't like, there will be consequences'. Burning religious books is never cool, but what sort of psycho takes that as a licence to behead people? And it wasn't ONE nutter, it was hordes of people.

    Excellent post. Hits the nail on the head.


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  • #97
    [Deleted User]
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    The pastor did it to show the problem... It's an effective statement. "All I have to do is burn this book on the other side of the world and wait till you see what happens".

    Barbarians.. No room for it in a modern world.


  • #98
    Badgermonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Backward country. Nonsense book. Bring the soldiers home.

    You could be talking 'bout the north there Keith. ;)


  • #99
    SamHarris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭SamHarris


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    No no no, you are mistaken. The Taliban rule Afghanistan and are who the people want. The UN are only there to kill their children and steal their oil.

    I don't know if your being sarcastic, but there is no oil in Afghanistan.

    There MAY be some, discovered last year 9 years after the invasion. I'm sure the UN would have more interesting things to do with a time machine.


  • #100
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Sickening. These retarded stone age savages should be napalmed.


  • #101
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    A butterfly flaps it's wings on one side of the world................................


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  • #102
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Royal Irish wrote: »
    Most Muslims are crazy. The only ones I met who are not crazy, are the gay ones ;)

    This is a rediculous statement... :rolleyes:


  • #103
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    Its my opinion and I believe it to be true.


  • #104
    TheRevolution
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    How nice of those Muslims to take all the heat off us Irish. To the Irish spouting off about the Muslims being "crazy" etc. and then pointing to examples in the UK, let us not forget that it wasn't so long ago that us Irish were the crazy ones. There was probably a higher ratio of terrorists to civilians amongst us in the 80s than there is amongst Muslims now considering there is 1 billion of them. But ah sure, label away.

    RIP to the victims but don't forget they were out there to help and better the people of Afghanistan, some of the comments here labelling all afghans and muslims as crazy etc. are probably something they hated to hear considering where they were working so keep that in mind before using this tragic event to promote anti-muslim sentiment.


  • #105
    [Deleted User]
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    Hugh Big Strap wrote: »
    This is a rediculous statement... :rolleyes:
    In the context that he meant it, not really....
    TheRevolution wrote: »
    How nice of those Muslims to take all the heat off us Irish. To the Irish spouting off about the Muslims being "crazy" etc. and then pointing to examples in the UK, let us not forget that it wasn't so long ago that us Irish were the crazy ones. There was probably a higher ratio of terrorists to civilians amongst us in the 80s than there is amongst Muslims now considering there is 1 billion of them. But ah sure, label away.

    RIP to the victims but don't forget they were out there to help and better the people of Afghanistan, some of the comments here labelling all afghans and muslims as crazy etc. are probably something they hated to hear considering where they were working so keep that in mind before using this tragic event to promote anti-muslim sentiment.
    We weren't "crazy"... I am very anti-republicanism but at least there was a very real cause that people believed in. Retaliation at burning a book doesn't compare.

    We're not labeling Afghanis and Muslims as crazy.. We're saying that violent fundamentalist Muslims are crazy. I think it's fair since alot of innocent people died because a book was burned.

    Most people here probably haven't encountered Muslims and it's not a religious issue. We know that it's a very small percentage who resort to this violence. The thing that people don't like is that every country has to bend over backwards to accommodate the Muslim community in fear that it's most extreme elements will needlessly kill it's civilians..


  • #106
    twinQuins
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    We're saying that violent fundamentalist Muslims are crazy.

    Saying this and saying "most Muslims" are two completely different things. Considering his ban for trolling a Muslim poster previously I doubt it was an innocent comment.


  • #107
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    twinQuins wrote: »
    Saying this and saying "most Muslims" are two completely different things. Considering his ban for trolling a Muslim poster previously I doubt it was an innocent comment.

    Yes your right, saying most muslims is completely different. I am entitled to have this opinion. Also I wasnt banned for trolling a muslim poster, I was banned for being abusive towards him and I dont regret it one bit.

    This is the post that got me banned: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71077077&postcount=169

    It was on a thread about the muslim guy who burned poppy on armistice day. How many muslims were beheaded after that little burning session?

    That guy was entitled to do that protest, although it was very disrespectful and in bad taste, yet there was no thousands of people outside of mosques with signs saying, behead the muslims, like there was muslims outside danish embassies with signs saying "behead the infidels" when that cartoonist incident happened.

    Muslims can protest and do whatever they want along them lines without the loss of life, but when the boot is on the other foot, people get killed and people get beheaded. Barbaric savages the lot of them.

    Mod: Poster banned.


  • #108
    whiteonion
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    It looks like the UN Guards were the once who started shooting, don't be surprised if you get angry reactions if you shoot at people.


  • #109
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Royal Irish wrote: »
    Yes your right, saying most muslims is completely different. I am entitled to have this opinion.

    Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
    Also I wasnt banned for trolling a muslim poster, I was banned for being abusive towards him and I dont regret it one bit.

    Wholly unsurprising.
    It was on a thread about the muslim guy who burned poppy on armistice day. How many muslims were beheaded after that little burning session?

    Since you're such an expert on Muslims why don't you tell me.
    Barbaric savages the lot of them.

    You know calling Muslims savages isn't quite as hip and edgy as it used to be, you don't have to keep on about it. Unless you're just trying to prove how much of a bigot you are.


  • #110
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    There is also the question of why is it ALWAYS Muslim extremists who respond violently to incidents like these? Take the burning of the poppy on armistice day. Surely there are extreme British Nationalists living in England? Did they go on an indiscriminate killing spree? No, they did not. They just expressed their distaste at the protest in a largely civil manner.

    Muslim converts like irishconvert will either sidestep or deny the many less savoury elements of their religion. Elements that true Muslims born in to the religion do not hesitate to acknowledge (For the most part).

    For example, jihad or apostasy. If you ask a Muslim living in the Middle East "What is the penalty for Apostasy in Islam?" they will simply tell you "Death". If you ask a Muslim living abroad they will either avoid answering the question directly or they will make use of التقية(Dissimulation) which is the concealment of the truth in times of weakness or danger.

    At the very least, Muslims born in to their Religion are generally far more honest than those who convert to Islam later in life. This begs the question of why do they believe if they feel the need to conceal and lie about their beliefs?


  • #111
    R0ot
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    yammycat wrote: »
    The guy was perfectly entitled to burn the book and bears no responsibility for the crazed actions of certain individuals, none at all.

    There is a slight degree of common sense required before anyone is entitled to do anything, I'm perfectly entitled to come to your house and kill you and your family however there would be consequences of Jail time etc.

    Now yes he was perfectly entitled to go and burn a book but he did so knowing it would piss people off and cause other incidents so I defer to my earlier statement of "common sense required".

    An idiot did a dumb thing, another group of idiots then did another dumb thing and innocent people were hurt/killed as a result really the people that hurt/killed the innocents.


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  • #112
    Royal Irish
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    twinQuins wrote: »
    Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.



    Wholly unsurprising.



    Since you're such an expert on Muslims why don't you tell me.



    You know calling Muslims savages isn't quite as hip and edgy as it used to be, you don't have to keep on about it. Unless you're just trying to prove how much of a bigot you are.

    Very intelligent and thought prevoking reply. I also like the way you ask for an answer to a rhetorical question I asked. Very good Sir :rolleyes:


  • #113
    Nodin
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    There is also the question of why is it ALWAYS Muslim extremists who respond (............)in life. This begs the question of why do they believe if they feel the need to conceal and lie about their beliefs?

    I suggest you aqquaint yourself with hindu nationalism before trying to make a special case of the muslims.


  • #114
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Royal Irish wrote: »
    Very intelligent and thought prevoking reply.

    Oh I know I'm not going to change the mind of someone like you but it amuses me to see you blather on about how awful you think Muslims are.
    I also like the way you ask for an answer to a rhetorical question I asked. Very good Sir :rolleyes:

    Perhaps I should have made my sarcasm more obvious.


  • #115
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Nodin wrote: »
    I suggest you aqquaint yourself with hindu nationalism before trying to make a special case of the muslims.
    Hindu extremism is not at all comparable to Islamic extremism.

    If that same pastor burned a vedas or for example hindu statues over in the US would the response have been similar? Somehow I think not.


  • #116
    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Hindu extremism is not at all comparable to Islamic extremism.

    If that same pastor burned a vedas or for example hindu statues over in the US would the response have been similar? Somehow I think not.
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/the-india-cables/article1579424.ece
    Hindu extremism.


  • #117
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    whiteonion wrote: »
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/the-india-cables/article1579424.ece
    Hindu extremism.
    So what? These are internal sectarian problems within India. Refer again to my question in my last post.


  • #118
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Hindu extremism is not at all comparable to Islamic extremism.

    If that same pastor burned a vedas or for example hindu statues over in the US would the response have been similar? Somehow I think not.


    Of course not. There are no extremists or mobs in the world except for muslim extremists and muslim mobs.
    AP BOMBAY, India Members of Hinduism's lowest caste burned buses, hurledstones at police and blocked trains in southern India in widespread riotingSaturday to protest police killings and the desecration of a monument.
    Two people were killed, bringing the two-day death toll to 12. Police arrested 2,111 rioters in India's financial hub of Bombay and in the surroundingstate of Maharashtra.
    There have been several caste clashes in northern and western India,but this was the worst caste violence in Bombay.
    It began in a slum Friday when someone draped a garland of shoes - asupreme insult in India - around the bust of Babasaheb Ambedkar, a low-castehero who had fought for independence from British rule.
    It was unclear who had desecrated the monument.
    http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/dvindia_untouchables.html
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/indians-riot-after-statue-desecration-287337.html
    New Delhi - Richard Gere's kissing and hugging Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty during an AIDS awareness function triggered protests in India Monday over the 'obscene act' with people burning effigies of the Hollywood star, officials and media reports said.
    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1292112.php/Richard_Gere_causes_riots_in_India_over_Shetty_kiss_n_hug
    Valentine's Day in India has been marred by a spate of attacks on young couples as Hindu radicals battle what they claim are foreign influences corrupting Indian culture.
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/hindus-in-valentines-day-attack-on-lovers-20090215-884e.html
    Thousands of terrified Indian Christians are hiding in the forests of the volatile Indian state of Orissa after a wave of religious 'cleansing' forced them from their burnt-out homes with no immediate prospect of return.
    A mob of Hindu fundamentalists rampaged through villages last week, killing those too slow to get out of their way, burning churches and an orphanage, and targeting the homes of Christians. Up to 20 people were reported dead, with at least two deliberately set alight, after the murder of a Hindu leader last Saturday provoked the violence.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/31/india.religion


  • #119
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Nodin wrote: »
    Of course not. There are no extremists or mobs in the world except for muslim extremists and muslim mobs.
    Answer my question. Irrelevant rhetoric is not an answer.


  • #120
    dr.bollocko
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    Royal Irish banned. BS generalisations are not tolerated here. Please continue to report any posts which cross the line.


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  • #121
    SamHarris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭SamHarris


    Another thing that depresses me about this entire chain of events is not only that people lost their lives - regardless if they were personally responsible for anything or not, no one should be killed over a book. But it also proves the Pastors point, depressingly.

    I would point out this particular incident (although certinaly not all Islam related violence, which IS an issue that needs to be addressed around the world) had more to do with Afghan culture, history and present circumstances than Islam, although it played it's part. Just anecdotally, would such attacks not be much more widespread if it were purely Islam related?

    It's also depressing that the US seems to be having more of a problem with extremists of all hues in the last few years - I was incredibly surprised after 9/11 how little backlash there was against the Muslim American population and how quickly and verbally the Muslim community there rallied in the cause of peace. Just seems like things are getting worse, although not yet reached European levels.


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