Depression

02-02-2011 12:25AM

I've come to the conclusion over the last few days that I am way too hard on myself. I guess it's all related to the same thing.

Naikon · 02-02-2011 12:32AM

Karsini wrote: »

I've come to the conclusion over the last few days that I am way too hard on myself. I guess it's all related to the same thing.

Not that this is a great thing, but at least you aren't too easy on yourself. Much worse imo.

Bruthal · 02-02-2011 12:49AM

Drinking or maybe drinking too much can be a major contributor to it, both causing it and/or making an already depressed person worse.

02-02-2011 12:53AM

robbie7730 wrote: »

Drinking or maybe drinking too much can be a major contributor to it, both causing it and/or making an already depressed person worse.

Can't remember the last time I had a drink. Have been a bit of an emetophobe (fear of being sick) for the last few years and tend to stay away from drink as a result.

Buceph · 02-02-2011 12:55AM

robbie7730 wrote: »

Drinking or maybe drinking too much can be a major contributor to it, both causing it and/or making an already depressed person worse.

Aye. Most doctors from my experience will say it's worth drinking if it means you go out with friends and get some socialising done. Although you should limit it to a few beers, or one night of drinking a week. Getting smashed and sitting on the bottom of the stairs weeping helps no-one. And hangovers make a lot of people emotional (and horny) as evidenced by an earlier thread.

Bruthal · 02-02-2011 12:59AM

Buceph wrote: »

Aye. Most doctors from my experience will say it's worth drinking if it means you go out with friends and get some socialising done. Although you should limit it to a few beers, or one night of drinking a week. Getting smashed and sitting on the bottom of the stairs weeping helps no-one. And hangovers make a lot of people
emotional (and horny) as evidenced by an earlier thread.

If i go out on the drink about 3 or 4 nights in a row the depression hits and can last a week or more, its not just feeling bad from a hangover, its a right depressive state, and i know its the drink when it happens but ye feel like its everything else causing it when its happening. So these days i take it easy and dont go out multiple days in a row, and that prevents it.

Buceph · 02-02-2011 01:05AM

robbie7730 wrote: »

If i go out on the drink about 3 or 4 nights in a row the depression hits and can last a week or more, its not just feeling bad from a hangover, its a right depressive state, and i know its the drink when it happens but ye feel like its everything else causing it when its happening. So these days i take it easy and dont go out multiple days in a row, and that prevents it.

Aye. I know of what you're saying. I just think that fearing a depression hangover isn't a reason not to go out. It may be a reason not to drink, but then the Irish business of having to drink when you go out kicks in. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't see pubs as a reason to avoid seeing your friends. And that although I know drinking will mess me up a bit, it's a lot healthier (for me at least) to see my friends.

Bruthal · 02-02-2011 01:09AM

Buceph wrote: »

Aye. I know of what you're saying. I just think that fearing a depression hangover isn't a reason not to go out. It may be a reason not to drink, but then the Irish business of having to drink when you go out kicks in. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't see pubs as a reason to avoid seeing your friends. And that although I know drinking will mess me up a bit, it's a lot healthier (for me at least) to see my friends.

A there is no fear about going out at all, i just take it easier than i used to. I could get hammered completely and be fine, its when i do it a few days in a row it starts.

The only reason i mention the drink thing is years ago i did not realise that was causing it, and maybe some others dont realise that could cause it or make an existing condition worse.

spinandscribble · 02-02-2011 01:21AM

stupidusername wrote: »

The piece on the news the other day about the multiple suicides in Offaly, was it? That woman said it's not spoken about in the wider public, and it's not reported much, but the reason it's not reported much is something to do with being afraid more people will do it. I wonder is the same idea taken on in other countries? and if not, do people talk more openly about depression and mental health.

well I think if people are faced with facts each day like "20 ppl killed themselves today now the weather.." the hopeless feeling people with depression would get worse.

On the other hand, depressed people can feel alone and ashamed of their feelings. Even after recovery will feel ashamed to admit it.

Something needs to change in ireland so people can express themselves without repression. I wish I had a idea how.

Buceph · 02-02-2011 01:31AM

spinandscribble wrote: »

well I think if people are faced with facts each day like "20 ppl killed themselves today now the weather.." the hopeless feeling people with depression would get worse.

On the other hand, depressed people can feel alone and ashamed of their feelings. Even after recovery will feel ashamed to admit it.

Something needs to change in ireland so people can express themselves without repression. I wish I had a idea how.

It's the mass suicides that don't get reported, sort of. It's similar to school shootings. The Sunday Times did a piece on mass suicides a few years back and Charlie Brooker did a piece on school shootings. It's partly about glorifying the events and showing the person who did them as a cult hero. People get into the frame of mind that it could be a solution for themselves as well. The doctors they got to talk about it all recommended that the media should downplay the individuals involved and give a higher emphasis to the support outlets for people who are affected by it.

spinandscribble · 02-02-2011 01:39AM

Buceph wrote: »

It's the mass suicides that don't get reported, sort of. It's similar to school shootings. The Sunday Times did a piece on mass suicides a few years back and Charlie Brooker did a piece on school shootings. It's partly about glorifying the events and showing the person who did them as a cult hero. People get into the frame of mind that it could be a solution for themselves as well. The doctors they got to talk about it all recommended that the media should downplay the individuals involved and give a higher emphasis to the support outlets for people who are affected by it.

A lot of suicides don't get reported either however.

how many died in the latest mass suicide? tbh had no idea we had them regularly.

Buceph · 02-02-2011 01:49AM

spinandscribble wrote: »

A lot of suicides don't get reported either however.

how many died in the latest mass suicide? tbh had no idea we had them regularly.

I don't even know if there was any. I'm just going on what was said here.

What I'm talking about is a story from a village in Wales, where a few teenagers killed themselves over the course of a few weeks, and more and more people kept on killing themselves. At first police looked to see if there was a suicide pact between people, but looking at the time separating the suicides and eventually figuring out that it wasn't a group of people who knew of each other in the slightest, the called in the doctors. And the doctors had thought about this a lot. Supposedly people get encouragement from seeing other successful suicides (or murders) and gain the confidence to do it themselves.

Darlughda · 02-02-2011 08:46AM

Buceph wrote: »

I don't even know if there was any. I'm just going on what was said here.

What I'm talking about is a story from a village in Wales, where a few teenagers killed themselves over the course of a few weeks, and more and more people kept on killing themselves. At first police looked to see if there was a suicide pact between people, but looking at the time separating the suicides and eventually figuring out that it wasn't a group of people who knew of each other in the slightest, the called in the doctors. And the doctors had thought about this a lot. Supposedly people get encouragement from seeing other successful suicides (or murders) and gain the confidence to do it themselves.

AFAIK, this is one of the reasons the media have changed their reporting of deaths by suicide. There has been cases of 'cluster' suicides where a number have happened in one area, especially when the method has been describe and terms like 'committed suicide' and 'successful' are used.

Naikon · 02-02-2011 09:19AM

Just out of curiosity, what would be generally considered the most common form of suicide in Ireland? I think a long hang would be the most practical method, due to the fall breaking the neck if carried out correctly. Gun sounds too risky should the bullet fail to actaully cause death.

ntlbell · 02-02-2011 02:32PM

Naikon wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what would be generally considered the most common form of suicide in Ireland? I think a long hang would be the most practical method, due to the fall breaking the neck if carried out correctly. Gun sounds too risky should the bullet fail to actaully cause death.

i would be more confident of dieing with a gun in my mouth than trying to kick a chair from underneath me.

i'd say the most common attempt is drug overdose but i dont have anything to back that up

Vicxas · 02-02-2011 03:48PM

Hmmm, seems ive hit another low point today. Just feel like crap. i know people say go talk to someone.... but ive got this niggling voice in the back of my head convincing me it wont work.

optogirl · 02-02-2011 03:59PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Hmmm, seems ive hit another low point today. Just feel like crap. i know people say go talk to someone.... but ive got this niggling voice in the back of my head convincing me it wont work.

It wont be a cure but it will ease pressure and is much much better than NOT talking to someone. Talk on here if you like...

sugarbaker01 · 02-02-2011 04:29PM

A few months back i attempted suicide.. took a load of xanax and went completely off my head the next day when i woke . Was admitted to Roscommon Hospital and diagnosed with depression anxiety disorder and personality disorder. Would you believe this, The night of my admission the Doctor asked me if I had taken any alcohol with the tablets and i replied "No" and he then said " If you had taken alcohol with this level of medication you would be dead" I thought it very stange indeed. Here was a "Medical Professional" informing me where i went wrong and giving me pointers!!!
Stayed in hospital for about 10 days and have been on several combinations of meds since. Was a Dark time in my life and im not out of the woods yet.
So many things Id love to tell the Doctors but fear is an awful thing.

t0mm13b · 05-02-2011 04:36PM

Well, today I feel low after a string of events which has left me very down, and constantly thinking where it went wrong, my mind is racing like hell, agitation would be a weak word to describe it...

<rant>
I was cheated out of my work in which there was no contract or agreement that took place - in fact busted my chops for 3 months before christmas doing software coding, was offered a full-time job before christmas, the company I was dealing with "hired" me, much to my excitement of having a job...sadly, it was fake setup as after christmas the company kept avoiding the question of the contract for the full-time job, and knew something was wrong, I put my foot down and asked them where's the payment for the job I did before christmas and the contract for the full-time job, turns out there was no job, now have no money either
</rant>

Isn't that just plain cruel, I feel cheated, I feel like I want to march up to their office and fúck them out of it, I feel like sending an email of threatening to open-source the code and for them infringing my copyright by flogging it on-line.... grrr.....

Hence the mind racing, heart beating too fast, and am there thinking "what the fúck", and have reverted back to the cycle of generally beating myself up over it, the cycle is much stronger this time that I have noticed, and everyone I told the story to are saying the same thing "You should have put a contract in" or "You have the lién..." and getting hammered about that.... I told a few - "I fúckin know that, but I also know that is breach of copyright in what they're doing".... no wonder, that does not help me one bit...

Am broke, am low, and ANGRY.... christ!

K-9 · 05-02-2011 04:57PM

Supposed to be 10 people a week, 365 a year, taking their lives through suicide. It really is paid lip service when you compare it to road deaths. Men from their mid 20's to 40's seem to be effected most.

10 people a week 'dying from suicide' | BreakingNews.ie

Ten people a week are dying by suicide, according to the head of the suicide and self-harm centre Pieta House.

The figure emerged today at the launch of ‘Pieta Mid-West’, in Mungret, Co Limerick. It is the first suicide and self-harm crisis centre outside of Dublin.

CEO Joan Freeman said Ireland’s economic crisis was partly to blame for a rise in male suicides.

"Every week 10 people die by suicide, which is an outrage," she said.

"Before, the highest rate of suicide in males would have been between 17 to 24…Now it's mid-20s to 40. This reflects people losing their jobs and (not being able to ) pay their mortgages and they just see no way out."

anon01 · 01-03-2011 04:29AM

i dont exactly know why im posting here as i have never said any of this to anyone and am not exactly sure what im going through but here it goes i suppose:

im 19 and i think ive been depressed since secondary school but i was always able to just "forget" or not think about things, but lately i have been completley all over the place. I have no motivation to do anything, ive started randomly crying for no reason at all which i have never done as i havent cried since 1st year maybe even before that, i also get extremley nervous/anxious around people like even walking down shop street i get very bad, i cant even go into the canteen in college (when i manage to go to college) also ive been on a pretty short fuse lately with people and ive had no reason to be.

i have thought about suicide a lot but i do know its not the way (for the simple fact that ive a younger brother and sister and i couldnt put them through it also as my mum is pretty bad depressed too it would kill her if i did) so yeah..

i would also just like to say sorry if my grammar and spelling are terrible i have never been good at writing

Trog · 01-03-2011 06:07AM

anon01 wrote: »

i dont exactly know why im posting here as i have never said any of this to anyone and am not exactly sure what im going through but here it goes i suppose:

im 19 and i think ive been depressed since secondary school but i was always able to just "forget" or not think about things, but lately i have been completley all over the place. I have no motivation to do anything, ive started randomly crying for no reason at all which i have never done as i havent cried since 1st year maybe even before that, i also get extremley nervous/anxious around people like even walking down shop street i get very bad, i cant even go into the canteen in college (when i manage to go to college) also ive been on a pretty short fuse lately with people and ive had no reason to be.

i have thought about suicide a lot but i do know its not the way (for the simple fact that ive a younger brother and sister and i couldnt put them through it also as my mum is pretty bad depressed too it would kill her if i did) so yeah..

i would also just like to say sorry if my grammar and spelling are terrible i have never been good at writing

This sounds really familiar to me. It's practically my own story. Check your college's website to see if the health service offer counseling, it can really help. Sometimes you just need to get stuff out that you never thought was that important.

If you don't want to do that I'd suggest trying to confide in a friend, or at least saving the Samaritans number: 1850 60 90 90 in your phone just in case a moment of madness comes, call them first.

All I can say is that there's no shame in being depressed, and you can deal with it, but it'll be so much easier if you don't try to do it alone.

anon01 · 01-03-2011 06:20AM

there is a counsellor in my college but i just dont have the courage to even do it (i say this with tears going im havn a terrible night altogether cant sleep again and just crying) i mean it took me a couple of weeks to get the courage to post on this thread nevermind going to see someone in person

edit: also i have confided in a frined ive known since ive been born and i just felt guilty cause hes going thru his own stuff at the moment. i just find that lately a lot of **** has been thrown on me and people are asking me to help them out including my own family (paarents not getting on at all mum will be leaving soon, mums failed suicide attempt, girlfriend broke up with me, then theres the money problems and my parents relying on me the make sure he electricity is on and we dont get kicked out of the house)

seanybiker · 01-03-2011 06:35AM

anon01 wrote: »

there is a counsellor in my college but i just dont have the courage to even do it (i say this with tears going im havn a terrible night altogether cant sleep again and just crying) i mean it took me a couple of weeks to get the courage to post on this thread nevermind going to see someone in person

fair play to you for posting.

Had a long post typed out but changed me mind.

Going to someone is hard because you do have to talk about how your feeling. Personally I find it hard to tell people how I'm feeling but I do see a councillor once a week and I can't shut up when I get going. I do find it good. I think you should try talk to the chap you mentioned. You might be surprised. Best of luck in whatever you decide to do.

Trog · 01-03-2011 06:50AM

It is hard to do at first, but you'd be surprised how easy it is once you sit down and talk a bit. Some people take a while to get comfortable, and they'll understand if you go in and don't say much at first. I really think it can help.

It does sound like a lot on your plate. What's probably worse is that you're just expected to deal with it and get on with things. That's how I felt anyway.

I still do feel guilty talking to my friends, and always have done. But there was a stage when I realized that I was torturing myself instead of taking a bit of weight off, then I'd be pissed off when they didn't know I was upset, but I told them I was fine. Not saying it's the same thing in your case at all, but what I'm trying to get across here is that everyone does have their problems, but that doesn't mean you can't chat about your problems. As long as he's willing to listen you should know he's there.
When talking to friends a lot of the time they don't know what to say I find, so that's why I suggest councilors to people.

Another thing I found helped was telling friends, when the right time arrived, of course, that I've been down recently and that's why I may be acting unusual, but I don't really want to talk about it. That way people can know you need a bit of friendship even though you don't want to get into the detail. I don't know if you think this would help you, but I found that even that little extra connection helped me, and once it was out in the open with a few close friends that I wasn't doing too well, I felt a lot more relaxed around them, like the tension of covering it up was gone.

anon01 · 01-03-2011 07:11AM

ok first off id just like to say thank you all so much for replying it does mean a lot to mean seriously it does.

i do think id be the same as yourself seanybiker as in when i start i wount be able to shut up and i do find it extremley hard to say how im feeling but its something i guess ill have to start doing.

and trog i am fully expected to deal with it and get on with things. which is what ive always done but its just getting to much for me now to be honest and i do know i should talk to someone, be it a counsellor or friend or family member. im lucky in a way in which my mums side are all very close because they had an abusive childhood im not saying its good that they did but it made them all so close and down to earth and i do feel i could tell them whats going on and they would fully understand cause they have been through it themselves) but theres still something holding me back im not sure what though.
i have always told people im fine when infact im the complete opposite.
even now after getting some of this stuff of my chest i feel a little bit lighter and id just like to thank all of ye for giving me your time its very much appreciated and i actually cant thank ye enough

Vicxas · 01-03-2011 09:55AM

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No offence mate, but thats some pretty dumb advice...

Naikon · 01-03-2011 10:09AM

Just be aware, a depression diagnosis will disqualify you for career paths. At least for an extended period of time.

Buceph · 01-03-2011 11:07AM

Naikon wrote: »

Just be aware, a depression diagnosis will disqualify you for career paths. At least for an extended period of time.

As will having to wear glasses, but no-one would recommend to someone not to get their eyes tested if they think there's a problem with them.

Scanlas The 2nd · 01-03-2011 12:29PM

anon01 wrote: »

ok first off id just like to say thank you all so much for replying it does mean a lot to mean seriously it does.

i do think id be the same as yourself seanybiker as in when i start i wount be able to shut up and i do find it extremley hard to say how im feeling but its something i guess ill have to start doing.

and trog i am fully expected to deal with it and get on with things. which is what ive always done but its just getting to much for me now to be honest and i do know i should talk to someone, be it a counsellor or friend or family member. im lucky in a way in which my mums side are all very close because they had an abusive childhood im not saying its good that they did but it made them all so close and down to earth and i do feel i could tell them whats going on and they would fully understand cause they have been through it themselves) but theres still something holding me back im not sure what though.
i have always told people im fine when infact im the complete opposite.
even now after getting some of this stuff of my chest i feel a little bit lighter and id just like to thank all of ye for giving me your time its very much appreciated and i actually cant thank ye enough

Try reading anything by Eckart Tolle and watch him on youtube.

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