anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Wolfe Tone · 15-02-2011 11:29PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

alot of newly registered threaders here in feb 2011, and i see mostly post on sf threads,wonder why

Cause you spend all your time in here?

Monty Burnz · 15-02-2011 11:29PM

insight_man wrote: »

Otherwise foolish people who mistakenly vote for Fg / Lab thinking they will lift the burden from the people will find themselves in 5 years time making the very same complaints they are making now. AND much poorer for it after their politicians squander 36 Billion euro on private debt!!

Do you think there is a difference because we are in the EU? Do you think there is a difference because we do not have our own currency?

Can you explain how the €15,000,000,000 budget shortfall every year will be met? Because none of the other Shinners here seem to want to.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 11:30PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Cause you spend all your time in here?

i think otherwise ,maybe sf boyos

paul71 · 15-02-2011 11:34PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Keltic and his crew who support the criminal FF and FG elites will never understand this.

Some here want to go on and on and on about the economic policies of Sinn Fein rather than see how things are in the real world. They are the type of people who fell hook line and sinker for the crap spewed out by the FF/FG masters.

I see no hope on the horizon for these people and in a few years they might come to their senses when they are lying on the streets begging for assistance. Should have gone to ...and not go with the FF/FG line of crap!

Will I feel sorry for his ilk and the criminal ignorant FF/FG crew?

Ahhhhem................ NO!

You can still make a change,
Vote Sinn Fein to take on the wnaker bankers and the FF/FG white collar fraudsters!

Sharkie what you fail to understand is that FF and FG are different animals. FG have not been caught with their hands in the piggy bank as often although it has happened. Gerry and co have, namely banks in the north.

But what is really happening is SF are positioning themselves to be the next FF, they have the same history, socialist with a violent republican background.

This is a unique to Irish politics as our socialists have little respect for the rule of law hence the corruption and the FF old boys club. Give SF 10 years and they will be the FF of 1940s, that why they need to be challenged and exposed now or we will end up with another old boys club where private monopolies will be handed out to IRA cronies and the false facade of failed socialism will condem us to another 100 years of tax slavery.

PomBear · 15-02-2011 11:35PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

no policys by sf
no solutions by sf
no figures too backup
so NO vote
but you could vote ff,fg and labour and green if you like

http://www.sinnfein.ie/policies

here you go

also their economic policy has been credited by the Dept. of Finance

Monty Burnz · 15-02-2011 11:40PM

PomBear wrote: »

also their economic policy has been credited by the Dept. of Finance

Source?

15-02-2011 11:40PM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

While nobody can condone the IRA for killing human beings, most of the IRA members were born into a bad situation, that was both inhumane and cruel, and hard to prosper in. It was a conflict of mindset, but never mind Martin slagging Gerry, his party have been corrupt since the eighties with Charlie bad boy Haughey. There was signs back then people in the FF party were not in politics for the good of the Irish citizen.

I would Trust Gerry Adams to help me more in life, then I would trust Martin, he sell his mother to get into power slimy person/

+1

I couldn't have put it better myself.
This reintroduction of Adams past looks like deflection to me by FF who are scrapping to hold onto some working class vote seepage from ff to SF.
Everybody knows Adams past,what he supported and the history behind it.
It should be left at that.

Ironically according to the polls most ff voters are heading FG's way anyway.

Getting back to SF,I've no doubt about their sincerity.I'd well believe Gerry and the rest of SF would do the best they can for you if you needed them on a constituency matter.But I can't get past their silly economics.
I'd actually vote for them in council elections on that basis but not for the Dáil as for different reasons,like FF,they wouldn't be fit for purpose for government there...and my Dáil vote is for who should be in government not opposition or the local council.

Anyhow bowing out of this thread now,it's circling the wagons.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 11:41PM

PomBear wrote: »

http://www.sinnfein.ie/policies

here you go

also their economic policy has been credited by the Dept. of Finance

at least they have policy's,have figures that can add up there leader know the vat rate in ireland which gerrry couldn't say,he didnt know,so a leader who doesnt know the vat rate will know about how too help ireland,dont think so,the debate show how little gerry ads knows about ireland and how too get policys there too help ireland,he was asked as was sf supporter here
where will sf get 16 billion for frontline services like hospitals,garda etc
where will he get 50 billion euros need ,only answer he gave was pension fund which only has 4.6 billion in it,
all sf does is talk about other partys,but no policy's and figure too backup
say same old stuff everytime,same as in 2007,

Monty Burnz · 15-02-2011 11:45PM

I don't get any sense that the Sinn Feiners here even understand what I mean about the €15,000,000,000 deficit, never mind explain how SF plan to fill it. Do you guys understand what you are planning to vote for?

insight_man · 15-02-2011 11:46PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Do you think there is a difference because we are in the EU? Do you think there is a difference because we do not have our own currency?

Can you explain how the €15,000,000,000 budget shortfall every year will be met? Because none of the other Shinners here seem to want to.

And can you explain why we ordinary people should pay €36 Billion for the debts of billionaire gamblers. You may be prepared to do this but I'm not and I'm for any party who takes that stand.

Iceland did it we can do it too. Capital has no friends and will lend to anyone who shows ability to repay THEIR loans. If others made foolish gambles then other sources of capital couldn't give a toss.

What we need is someone who is willing to negotiate hard for us not a party or parties who roll over at the first sign of trouble. A radical alternative is needed not more of the same disgraceful policies that have ruined our lives.

I'm not for the current set up and will vote for change and take my chances. Thats my view.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 11:55PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't get any sense that the Sinn Feiners here even understand what I mean about the €15,000,000,000 deficit, never mind explain how SF plan to fill it. Do you guys understand what you are planning to vote for?

i dont think you will get any answers too these questions,as i have asked them already but there avoided too answer as they dont know how too answer,was same last night in debate,the problem with sf in dealing with any issues with policy is they give a very general answer but no policy and if pushed on giving any figures too back up,as was done last night in debate,the question wont be answered,all gerry ads did last night was do republican speech,i think pat kenny pointed that out too him,
only reason they will get vote is people who give them votes too tech other partys a lesson but wont be about policys

Monty Burnz · 15-02-2011 11:56PM

insight_man wrote: »

And can you explain why we ordinary people should pay €36 Billion for the debts of billionaire gamblers. You may be prepared to do this but I'm not and I'm for any party who takes that stand.

Iceland did it we can do it too. Capital has no friends and will lend to anyone who shows ability to repay THEIR loans. If others made foolish gambles then other sources of capital couldn't give a toss.

What we need is someone who is willing to negotiate hard for us not a party or parties who roll over at the first sign of trouble. A radical alternative is needed not more of the same disgraceful policies that have ruined our lives.

I'm not for the current set up and will vote for change and take my chances. Thats my view.

So to summarise your post, taking out all of the rhetoric...you just don't know how we will find €15 billion euros to run the country?

So what then? Slash public spending on all public servant salaries, social welfare, pensions, the health service by 35%? That might actually work, but I'd be happier if SF were honest about meaning to do that.

insight_man · 15-02-2011 11:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

+1

I couldn't have put it better myself.
This reintroduction of Adams past looks like deflection to me by FF who are scrapping to hold onto some working class vote seepage from ff to SF.
Everybody knows Adams past,what he supported and the history behind it.
It should be left at that.

Ironically according to the polls most ff voters are heading FG's way anyway.

Getting back to SF,I've no doubt about their sincerity.I'd well believe Gerry and the rest of SF would do the best they can for you if you needed them on a constituency matter.But I can't get past their silly economics.
I'd actually vote for them in council elections on that basis but not for the Dáil as for different reasons,like FF,they wouldn't be fit for purpose for government there...and my Dáil vote is for who should be in government not opposition or the local council.

Anyhow bowing out of this thread now,it's circling the wagons.

Circling the wagons is what happens when there are different points of view thats the idea of the debate.

Enjoyed your contribution so good luck to you. Maybe you'll come back some time

PomBear · 16-02-2011 12:03AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Source?

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Pre-Budget2010_web.pdf

top of second page

insight_man · 16-02-2011 12:04AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So to summarise your post, taking out all of the rhetoric...you just don't know how we will find €15 billion euros to run the country?

So what then? Slash public spending on all public servant salaries, social welfare, pensions, the health service by 35%? That might actually work, but I'd be happier if SF were honest about meaning to do that.

No rhetoric just plain and simple laymans analysis of whats going on. I'm looking for a real change of direction because I don't accept the current direction. I don't have to answer anything other than be happy with my decision and I've made up my mind.

Too mant family and friends hurt by Govt policies and afraid of more to come. Simple as that

Monty Burnz · 16-02-2011 12:05AM

PomBear wrote: »

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Pre-Budget2010_web.pdf

top of second page

It says it was 'costed' by the department, not that it was 'credited' by them. 'Costed' just means that the Shinners asked them 'how much would it cost to do X'. It's not a stamp of approval or a sign that it makes any sense.

PomBear · 16-02-2011 12:06AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

at least they have policy's,have figures that can add up there leader know the vat rate in ireland which gerrry couldn't say,he didnt know,so a leader who doesnt know the vat rate will know about how too help ireland,dont think so,the debate show how little gerry ads knows about ireland and how too get policys there too help ireland,he was asked as was sf supporter here
where will sf get 16 billion for frontline services like hospitals,garda etc
where will he get 50 billion euros need ,only answer he gave was pension fund which only has 4.6 billion in it,
all sf does is talk about other partys,but no policy's and figure too backup
say same old stuff everytime,same as in 2007,

it's all in the policies lad, they're there for you to read

KELTICKNIGHTT · 16-02-2011 12:06AM

PomBear wrote: »

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Pre-Budget2010_web.pdf

top of second page

it doesnt cover 16 billion too run frontline services and there only 4.6billion in pension fund ,and where will pensioners get there pensions if removed ?

PomBear · 16-02-2011 12:07AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It says it was 'costed' by the department, not that it was 'credited' by them. 'Costed' just means that the Shinners asked them 'how much would it cost to do X'. It's not a stamp of approval or a sign that it makes any sense.

what do you think 'credited' means?

paul71 · 16-02-2011 12:08AM

PomBear wrote: »

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Pre-Budget2010_web.pdf

top of second page

As poster above stated costed is not credited, anyway I am going to challenge this. I suspect it is a lie, can Sinn Fein produce documented evidence that anyone in the department of finance even saw this document.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 16-02-2011 12:10AM

PomBear wrote: »

what do you think 'credited' means?

from where,you getting rid of imf and eu,so where you think you get the credit,bondholder sf is saying will burn,so no one will give credit ,so where

Monty Burnz · 16-02-2011 12:10AM

insight_man wrote: »

No rhetoric just plain and simple laymans analysis of whats going on. I'm looking for a real change of direction because I don't accept the current direction. I don't have to answer anything other than be happy with my decision and I've made up my mind.

Too mant family and friends hurt by Govt policies and afraid of more to come. Simple as that

You don't have to answer, but you should at least understand what you are voting for. I'm not trying to score points here - I don't know where the money will come from, you don't, and Sinn Fein don't.

If you want to learn a bit about what happens when a country defaults (as we may have to and as SF seem to be advocating) then I encourage you to read what happened in Argentina in the last decade after they defaulted. I'll summarise it for you, in case you don't have time: the rich got richer, and the poor got poorer.

PomBear · 16-02-2011 12:12AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

from where,you getting rid of imf and eu,so where you think you get the credit,bondholder sf is saying will burn,so no one will give credit ,so where

someone doesn't own an economics dictionary

Monty Burnz · 16-02-2011 12:14AM

PomBear wrote: »

what do you think 'credited' means?

'Credited' has a connotation of belief. What did you intend it to mean? The word 'credited' doesn't appear anywhere on that document (according to control-f anyway).

mack_ · 16-02-2011 12:16AM

yes to sinn fein:)

Wa · 16-02-2011 12:16AM

Yes, I will vote for Sinn Féin.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 16-02-2011 12:19AM

PomBear wrote: »

someone doesn't own an economics dictionary

not a answer,so you dont know,either does sf party,that answers that then

later12 · 16-02-2011 12:21AM

My position is that I vote for Sinn Fein in local elections in my particular area; the candidates' pro-active dedication to social justice in that constituency is absolutely second to none. Their genuine political dignity, at least in the republic, ought to be exemplary.

I'm not voting in the next election but there is no way on Earth I would ever elect such perfectly fine and upstanding local representatives to the National Legislature based - solely - on their economic beliefs.

paul71 · 16-02-2011 12:21AM

mack_ wrote: »

yes to sinn fein:)

How will your wages be paid when Gerry closes the banks?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 16-02-2011 12:26AM

PomBear wrote: »

it's all in the policies lad, they're there for you to read

its not in the policy,sf figures dont add up and,you have a big short fall,think sf need too redo there maths again ,i get the sinse you know this as you not answering the question too where they get the 16 billion and 50 billion ??

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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