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Depression

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    OK, I'm going to write something down..

    I'm not depressed as such, but today a third work colleague commit suicide.

    Thats 3 in as many months ffs.

    I can't put into words exactly how I'm feeling about it, its not just grief alone, I don't know what it is..

    Jokingly on my FB page today I have "Is a fvcking idiot, I put my fist through a mirror today. Is that 7 years bad luck" - but in truth I'm on a terribly short fuse all day. And yes, I did put a fist into a mirror earlier and smashed it.

    Sure we have a support line which he could have rang, indeed I can ring 'em too right now if I had it in me. But I don't, I don't wanna talk to anyone right now so here I am writing it down.. And its the fvcking pits.

    A bit disjointed, sorry.
    Im real sorry to hear that mate, I really am.

    I put my fist through my door a while back, its a natural symptom of grief and depression I think.
    Sure we have a support line which he could have rang, indeed I can ring 'em too right now if I had it in me. But I don't, I don't wanna talk to anyone right now so here I am writing it down.. And its the fvcking pits.
    I understand that perfectly, there are things there you, or anyone can use, but its hard. You have written about it rather than try to bottle it up, thats good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    OK, I'm going to write something down..

    I'm not depressed as such, but today a third work colleague commit suicide.

    Thats 3 in as many months ffs.

    I can't put into words exactly how I'm feeling about it, its not just grief alone, I don't know what it is..

    Jokingly on my FB page today I have "Is a fvcking idiot, I put my fist through a mirror today. Is that 7 years bad luck" - but in truth I'm on a terribly short fuse all day. And yes, I did put a fist into a mirror earlier and smashed it.

    Sure we have a support line which he could have rang, indeed I can ring 'em too right now if I had it in me. But I don't, I don't wanna talk to anyone right now so here I am writing it down.. And its the fvcking pits.

    A bit disjointed, sorry.

    I hope this doesn't come across the wrong, but a few of my mates where in the same profession across the water when they where younger. Though them I have treated a few for PTSD and depressive issues. Thankfully I was able to slip the on my books within the HSE, so they did not have to pay.

    It's my way of saying use the supports that are there for you mate. Otherwise you could find yourself having to pay through the nose for private therapy later, or worse still find yourself in a position like your mates. As I said I hate this come across in the spirit it was meant. Look after youself cos no one else will mate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I hope this doesn't come across the wrong, but a few of my mates where in the same profession across the water when they where younger. Though them I have treated a few for PTSD and depressive issues. Thankfully I was able to slip the on my books within the HSE, so they did not have to pay.

    It's my way of saying use the supports that are there for you mate. Otherwise you could find yourself having to pay through the nose for private therapy later, or worse still find yourself in a position like your mates. As I said I hate this come across in the spirit it was meant. Look after youself cos no one else will mate.

    Edit: My understanding is that your service has a pyschological support service available, if it has and you think you need it use it. At the end of the day all you are going to do is talk to some about your life, not a big deal when you look at it that way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    OK, I'm going to write something down..

    I'm not depressed as such, but today a third work colleague commit suicide.

    Thats 3 in as many months ffs.

    I can't put into words exactly how I'm feeling about it, its not just grief alone, I don't know what it is..

    Buried this morning.


  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Buried this morning.

    Sorry for you, thats a lot of grief in a short period of time.

    I know kind of how you feel , last year I lost an aunt an uncle, and then my mam within three months. For me now, the grief and depression will never ever end.

    Im getting some help. but to be honest, its never enough.

    Wish you well Lilly Shaggy Superhuman


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Trog


    Buried this morning.

    I'm so sorry to hear your story.

    Look, I know you say you're not depressed as such, and you don't feel up to talking, but maybe it is the best thing to do?

    I've been depressed for as long as I can remember, and I never admitted to myself that it was depression. It didn't feel like I thought depression feels like. It was a kind of frustrated, hopeless self-anger. It was even worse because I couldn't place it in my life. I couldn't point to any particular thing and say 'that makes me depressed/sad/angry'. When I read your first post there I recognised the feeling.

    Then my mam died, and I finally had a reason to be unhappy. I went to a councellor and it was the best decision I ever made. I talked mostly about my life before my mam had even gotten sick. I barely talked about my grief, because that wasn't what was wrong. What was wrong was that I was depressed for years and I never let myself get it out and express it, which made it a bigger problem.

    As someone who is living with emotional turmoil and has been so for a long, long time, I implore you to try your hardest to talk to someone- samaritans, a councellor, a friend, anyone. Because your body needs to let this out. You need to get it out and express it to another human being. You don't need to be what you would call a severe case or depressed or suicidal to just need to get some stuff out.

    I don;t actually consider depression an illness or in any way negative. Everyone gets it, some people deal with it better than others, some people get it worse than others. The important thing is that you express it to another person and get it out of your system.

    Here's the samaritans number for reference, they are fantastic at what they do. Even if you don't know what to say, they'll probably be able to help. 1850 60 90 90


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Nothing I can say really that others haven't already said, or will say better, except that I hope the man is at peace now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    Buried this morning.


    Jesus thats tough. Can this not raise more awareness that there should be better supports in place for service members?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Jesus thats tough. Can this not raise more awareness that there should be better supports in place for service members?
    Understandably the family may not want that and dont want the spotlight.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Buried this morning.
    Christ man that's bloody tough. :( Sorry about your loss M.


    The guys in my dads family were servicemen of one type or another(inc him) and I don't think outsiders may realise the bond these men have. Way more than civvies. Especially if they've seen action. It is quite literally a family thing and very tough for the other members of that family when things like this happen. They're not great for opening their gobs when they need help though, whether it be physical or mental. Big self reliance thing going on. I saw that up close, but maybe that older generation were different? I hope that bit has or will change.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It would be nice if they came up with a pill that helped with the anger and rage that comes with it.
    I feel like going postal the last few months. The pills I am on dont seem to be enough to keep certain things at bay.
    Grief and depression spawn so many feelings.
    Its something I wouldnt wish on my worst enemy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    I've been meaning to add this in to this thread since it happened, kept forgetting. I was in my local chemists last week, this is in a village, very small, very farmer like people around. When I went in there was a man at the counter talking to the pharmacist, he was asking him had he been talking to man X that both of them obviously knew. he (the pharmacist) went on to say he'd seen him over Christmas but that he had been very down in himself. the two went on to talk about this man and how his mood wasn't good, and that one of them should go visit him, to make sure he was going to be ok.

    now there wasn't a mention of the word depression, but I found it very odd to hear this conversation. I mean not that I didn't want to hear it, I just mean it was so odd because people don't talk about these things. And it was especially weird to hear two older men talking about their concern for a man they both only knew of. nothing physically wrong with him, just that he wasn't himself lately. It was refreshing in a way, almost gave me some sort of hope for people.


  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I also wish someone would slip me on the books of the HSE.
    I have to pay for every councelling session every pill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Jake1 wrote: »
    I also wish someone would slip me on the books of the HSE.
    I have to pay for every councelling session every pill.

    If you get a referral from your GP can you not access your local HSE mental health service thingy for free?

    That's what I did and I dont have a medical card or anything,I only pay 50c for my prescriptions too.I see a psych doc regularly and see a psychologist every week and its a massive help.


  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you get a referral from your GP can you not access your local HSE mental health service thingy for free?

    That's what I did and I dont have a medical card or anything,I only pay 50c for my prescriptions too.I see a psych doc regularly and see a psychologist every week and its a massive help.

    Nope, not in my case. I wish. you only pay 50c? jaze, i pay over a hundred per months on pills. Thats with the discount. Mind you I am on a lot of pills.

    The hospital that killed my mother offered me counselling but I didnt want anything from them.
    I pay it from my own pocket, which is fair enough but it can get expensive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Understandably the family may not want that and dont want the spotlight.

    Ah yea very true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    My pills are about €85 euro a month, I get 15% student discount in a chemist I walk half an hour to get to. Ran out of pills this week and started getting withdrawals so I went to a nearby chemist on my break and paid full price.

    I pay for my counselling too. Used to be free when I was in college and the wait list is just too long for the HSE free counselling. And then its €50 to see the GP every couple of months. If its just for a chat she'll see me for free but I have to pay if I want a repeat prescription.

    Very expensive!


  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My pills are about €85 euro a month, I get 15% student discount in a chemist I walk half an hour to get to. Ran out of pills this week and started getting withdrawals so I went to a nearby chemist on my break and paid full price.

    I pay for my counselling too. Used to be free when I was in college and the wait list is just too long for the HSE free counselling. And then its €50 to see the GP every couple of months. If its just for a chat she'll see me for free but I have to pay if I want a repeat prescription.

    Very expensive!

    Same here, my doctor charges 55, I HAVE to go see her every six months even if not sick, just so she can sign another prescription for me.

    yeah, withdrawals are awful. I can see why you would pay full price just to ease it.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Finally people are starting to take notice.
    FIVE OF the six cases that came before the Offaly Coroner’s Court this week involved mature men taking their own lives. That shocking event caused acting coroner Brian Mahon to draw public attention to “a really serious, developing situation” where suicide was becoming rampant, particularly in rural areas.

    Suicide is every family’s worst nightmare and, traditionally, it is rarely discussed. That public attitude towards mental illness and suicide must change if help is to be provided for – and accepted by – people at risk.

    The economic downturn and increased financial pressure on individuals has caused a rise in the incidence of suicide. That was probably inevitable in the absence of adequate medical counselling and treatment. Internationally, better diagnosis and treatment for depression brought about a fall in suicide rates in the late 1990s. In Ireland, it did not happen. Numbers gradually edged up in the early years of the millennium, before jumping dramatically to 527 in 2009.

    This year, in recognition of a worsening situation, an extra €1 million was allocated to the National Office for Suicide Prevention in the Budget. The money was urgently needed but amounted to little more than political window-dressing. More substantial funding was required for specialised health teams, whose function is to identify and respond to early mental health problems within the community, but it wasn’t forthcoming. As a result, only one in five community mental health teams have the full range of expert staff they require. Worse than that, only one in seven HSE directors feel their services are equipped to provide early warning of mental health problems among adults. Two out of three confirmed there are no agreed protocols for engaging with those at high risk of suicidal behaviour within existing mental health settings.

    Depression and mental health problems are closely related to suicidal behaviour, along with alcohol or drug abuse. If these illnesses are identified and treated at an early stage, deaths can be prevented. Part of the problem involves the social stigma surrounding mental illness. That must change. Unless people seek early help and receive suitable treatment, they may remain locked within a cycle of depression that can lead to self-harm. People in rural areas are regarded as particularly vulnerable because of social isolation. But, no matter where people live, withdrawal from social contact can be a common feature of depression. Suicide prevention should be made a priority.

    Source: Irish Times

    5 out of 6 is a scary scary figure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭t0mm13b


    Buried this morning.

    I am very sorry for your loss, jeez... what can I say....? :(
    Finally people are starting to take notice.



    Source: Irish Times

    5 out of 6 is a scary scary figure.

    Thanks boneyarsebogman for including it in this thread and that this thread stays alive for others to jot down what they feel... no matter what, to help themselves and ultimately others as well..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    I am not surprised by the suicide rate in this country. I hate to say it, put given enough problems, suicide appears to be the only logical answer. Every person should have the choice to end their life. It's horrible for a family to go through, but blame rests not with the family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    Naikon wrote: »
    I am not surprised by the suicide rate in this country. I hate to say it, put given enough problems, suicide appears to be the only logical answer. Every person should have the choice to end their life. It's horrible for a family to go through, but blame rests not with the family.

    Are you joking me? The only logical answer? Its the least logical answer there is! Nobody should ever have to get that stage where it is "the only thing to do." People who make this choice are in no frame of made to be making it anyway.

    You're lucky its very late or I'd have started an almighty row.

    But a bit of sensitivity on the subject wouldn't go astray.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    Are you joking me? The only logical answer? Its the least logical answer there is! Nobody should ever have to get that stage where it is "the only thing to do." People who make this choice are in no frame of made to be making it anyway.

    You're lucky its very late or I'd have started an almighty row.

    But a bit of sensitivity on the subject wouldn't go astray.

    Basically, it depends on the context.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    Naikon wrote: »
    Basically, it depends on the context.

    There is a never a good reason or context for suicide. And I'm not talking about someone who has an terminal illness here, I mean someone who has a mental illness, obviously is depressed.

    For you to say its a logical step, and should be their choice would never help anyone who has been, or may be in the position where their minds might be thinking along that line anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    There is a never a good reason or context for suicide. And I'm not talking about someone who has an terminal illness here, I mean someone who has a mental illness, obviously is depressed.

    For you to say its a logical step, and should be their choice would never help anyone who has been, or may be in the position where their minds might be thinking along that line anyway.

    I agree. However, given the right circumstances, I feel the individual should have the right to end their life, without intervention from "the authorities". I am sure the people on death row would love to end life on their own terms for instance. Extreme, yes but this is just an illustration of my point. I really don't like thinking about morbid stuff like this, and I do not intend to offend anyone. It's easy for cowards to do that behind the safety of a monitor. I know how ****ing awful suicide can be on a family, so I apologise for the percieved lack of sensitivity. Must be the sleep deprivation. Suicide really isn't a joking matter. It's just I can't agree with the sentiment that depressed a suicidal person = not thinking straight. Maybe the percieved problems/outlook outweigh the desire to live for that individual?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭markesmith


    Naikon wrote: »
    I am not surprised by the suicide rate in this country. I hate to say it, put given enough problems, suicide appears to be the only logical answer. Every person should have the choice to end their life. It's horrible for a family to go through, but blame rests not with the family.

    Suicide is never the logical answer. Agree on free choice, but suicide is never a solution to a problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    markesmith wrote: »
    Suicide is never the logical answer. Agree on free choice, but suicide is never a solution to a problem.

    Nope, but it's a means of escape. This can sometimes be better than a solution to an individual problem. Apart from family members and other people who would be horribly affected by suicide
    why should somebody continue to live if they don't wish to? Every individual should have the right to call it a day. Terminal illness is top of the list. Why should anyone have to explain their reasons
    beyond "I want to get off the bloodly ride"?

    Sometimes I think this notion of not allowing someone to end their life is partly a conspiracy perpetuated by society to exhaust resources(mainly tax) from an individual for as long as humanly possible.
    I am not saying it's a decision that should be taken lightly...EVER! but the choice should remain. Keep in mind, I am not talking from the position of somebody who has not experienced such situations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭Chad ghostal


    Naikon wrote: »
    . It's just I can't agree with the sentiment that depressed a suicidal person = not thinking straight. Maybe the percieved problems/outlook outweigh the desire to live for that individual?

    You can't agree that they're not thinking straight? Depression is a mental illness; by definition it means someone is not thinking straight. Someone who is depressed and suicidal cannot see their life/options clearly and should get help in order to be able to do so.
    Naikon wrote: »
    Sometimes I think this notion of not allowing someone to end their life is partly a conspiracy perpetuated by society to exhaust resources(mainly tax) from an individual for as long as humanly possible.

    wtf have you been smoking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Are you joking me? The only logical answer? Its the least logical answer there is! Nobody should ever have to get that stage where it is "the only thing to do." People who make this choice are in no frame of made to be making it anyway.

    I think that's very patronoising to _some_ people who decide to end their life.
    It is an answer for some people and not everyone who kills themselves are chronically depressed or out of their mind. There is no reason that someone can't intelligently evalutae their own circumstances and decide they don't want to live. choosing not to live is just a viable options as wanting to be 90 and pissing into your own nappy.

    But a bit of sensitivity on the subject wouldn't go astray.

    and a bit less patronoising comments.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    markesmith wrote: »
    Suicide is never the logical answer. Agree on free choice, but suicide is never a solution to a problem.

    It might not be for you.

    An example was that irish (i think he was irish) rugby player, 19 paralised for life from the neck down. Who's parents brought him to swizterland to end his life.

    You can't say that wasn't right, only he could decide what was right for him and to be a perfectly viable option. Keeping him alive against his will and torturing him for 70/80 years. That's a soloution?


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