Depression

03-01-2011 06:09PM

Kiera wrote: »

I did. I told them today to log on and read this thread. I dont know if they will but i hope they will. And if not i'll show them the next time they are in mine.

Good. Thank you. If only everyone had someone as supportive as you close to them.

@Mussolini - I worked in a cinema for 5 years and can honestly say that there is a large proportion of people going to the cinema by themselves. Hell, I've done it myself once or twice and not once did anyone bat an eyelid.

Kiera · 03-01-2011 06:10PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yeah, I just mutter, "Im grand" thats it..... I dont think I would be able to explain really, the father leaves me alone anyways.

I wanted to see gullivers travels! May just download it. Ive never been just by myself, and I wouldnt be too keen on bringing any of the girls I like there either.

I saw it yesterday with my nephew. Its only ok so you're not missing much tbh

Daroxtar · 03-01-2011 06:15PM

Susannahmia wrote: »

Theres a big difference between being clinically depressed and feeling sad and down. Before I had depression I believed exactly what you do now. You just really do not have a clue until you have actually experienced it.

And you just really do not have a clue what I experienced so pardon me for not conforming to what you think I should feel afterwards. Trust me, i know all about clinical depression

03-01-2011 06:17PM

Would anyone who is suffering from depression consider taking up yoga? I've actually found that it greatly helps me. I remember walking out of that first class feeling more relaxed than I have ever felt, almost to the level of ecstasy, where for the first time in ages, all my problems seemed manageable.

It might not work for everyone, but it helped me.

Susannahmia · 03-01-2011 06:23PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

And you just really do not have a clue what I experienced so pardon me for not conforming to what you think I should feel afterwards. Trust me, i know all about clinical depression

Sorry if I caused any offence, none intended. I may have misunderstood the point of your post? I thought your point was that everyone gets sad now and again but really there is no such thing as depression.

I was responding on the assumption that thats what you were basically saying.

t0mm13b · 03-01-2011 06:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would anyone who is suffering from depression consider taking up yoga? I've actually found that it greatly helps me. I remember walking out of that first class feeling more relaxed than I have ever felt, almost to the level of ecstasy, where for the first time in ages, all my problems seemed manageable.

It might not work for everyone, but it helped me.

+1 for a good suggestion...

C_Dawg · 03-01-2011 06:26PM

t0mm13b wrote: »

+1 for a good suggestion...

Yeah. I found that whenever I go to the gym I feel pretty good for a while. I tend to comfort eat though so am still a fat bastard!

t0mm13b · 03-01-2011 06:33PM

C_Dawg wrote: »

Yeah. I found that whenever I go to the gym I feel pretty good for a while. I tend to comfort eat though so am still a fat bastard!

No harm there I guess - look, you can always lose weight - but you cannot lose your head... your head comes first... and a #1 priority....

As Cap'n Picard says "Make it so..."

tallus · 03-01-2011 06:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would anyone who is suffering from depression consider taking up yoga? I've actually found that it greatly helps me. I remember walking out of that first class feeling more relaxed than I have ever felt, almost to the level of ecstasy, where for the first time in ages, all my problems seemed manageable.

It might not work for everyone, but it helped me.

Meditation is a big help too.

jackthelad321 · 03-01-2011 06:44PM

When i posted ages ago i never mentioned that I am being seen by a psychiatrist when an appointment becomes available. I certainly am depressed, but not diagnosed as clinically depressed (at least I can't recall that exact phrase being used), though all the evidence and my own feeling points towards it. Perhaps when i see the psy. he will give me his opinion and might have a more detailed assessment than the doctor (who i have to say has been great.)

I think councellors can be of great use. I had one in Galway that couldn't make me talk, though perhaps i wasn't ready. He was a guy too, a little older than me, and I couldn't open up to him. Ended up just bantering with him. He wouldn't push me. Maybe that was right. But i went to another councellor and she was very good. Made me jump in, which i think was correct as one tiny push made me open up. I wasn't as comfortable chatting to a man as a woman. But the whole process, good and bad, has helped me understand what i'm going through. Best thing with it is to open up as early as possible, as i found once i have built a wall it became insurmountable.

I think people should go to councelling first, if money and time offers, and see what happens there. Even if your not depressed it isn't bad to talk about things... I really don't think so.

Though a doctor is good, and an absolutly vital service, he/she may prescribe you medication when not totally needed. I know from experience doctors prescribe easily and are perplexed when they can't use medicine to treat something (like my tinnitus). I'm saying what others have said but it's true.

In my case i was given lexaprol, which i was hesitant to take at first, but as I think back on what i said to him, and the content, there was surely no alternative. And after the councelling I knew I needed to get more help as the suicidal thoughts (how have i not mentioned that?!) were getting overwhelming.

Anyhow, fascinating debate. Probably no point people getting too argumentative (on boards!!). Some people believe they are depressed when they are not. More won't admit they are depressd when they are. I think Ireland has a serious depression problem, though i admit the figures above can hardly represent the population. But you might be surprised at the extent of it...

Anyway, fascinating. I wish everyone here the best, and that's the only absolute true thing that I can say. :pac:

Daroxtar · 03-01-2011 06:48PM

Susannahmia wrote: »

Sorry if I caused any offence, none intended. I may have misunderstood the point of your post? I thought your point was that everyone gets sad now and again but really there is no such thing as depression. I was responding on the assumption that thats what you were basically saying.

I was being ironic at the start, sure where else would you get depressed?

kowloon · 03-01-2011 07:13PM

cleremy jarkson wrote: »

My opinion is that this could be true. Also, I believe that suicide rates are lower during times of war because there is a common sense of purpose shared by everybody and men who would otherwise have been unemployed or working in mundane jobs all of a sudden find themselves fighting alongside those who where of higher social standing before the war, all with a common goal. The same could be said for totalitarian regimes, where everybody is in the same boat, coping with adversity together.

An interesting post, I once read that during the Second World War the suicide rates climbed amongst those who were deemed unfit for service. That would appear to support your idea.

03-01-2011 07:21PM

I would also like to point out, in regards to my "life story" on the previous page, when I went to see my GP, he was brilliant. He spent a long time talking to me and going over different things.

I spoke to him only really twice about it, and the second time he did try and push a bit of the ould religion on me, but he but ultimately he was very considerate and an absolute gent.

Any fears i had of visitng him about my mental issues (and i had lots of fear!) were gone in an instant.

foxinsox · 03-01-2011 07:28PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Since I told my mother she has made it her mission to pop in and say "cheer up will ya!!" about 5 times a day. headwrecking

ah bless... your ma (never thought I'd type that

) loves you, she doesn't know how to fix it...

I know from experience my mother does this too, you have to understand she is trying to get her head around it too, she doesn't know what to say to you, she's just trying to let you know that she is there for you.

I'm not going to tell you to talk to her if you don't feel up to it, but I think she might suprise you if you even just open up to her a bit more.

It has taken a while but my parents both now know everything about depression :rolleyes:

if you knew my father he is the most sensible stubborn all knowing man I know.. so for him to come out with one day the fact that he was looking on the internet (he's only learning) and google told him "that if you cry it releases chemicals that make you feel better after crying" Jaysus I bawled my eyes out that ..:rolleyes:

If you ever need a rant you can PM me...

Take Care

cleremy jarkson · 03-01-2011 07:28PM

kowloon wrote: »

An interesting post, I once read that during the Second World War the suicide rates climbed amongst those who were deemed unfit for service. That would appear to support your idea.

Another thing is that it gives those who would be traditionally downtrodden, possibly from poorer backgrounds, a chance to prove themselves on a level playing field and in all likelihood show more bravery than the people whose lives were rosy up until the war. To those people back home, every soldier is a hero with a part to play. A persons social class doesn't help them out or give them additional self-confidence when they are fighting in a war. Additionally, as you mentioned, those deemed unfit for service may have felt embarrassment or shame at being unable to play their part and this would push up rates of suicide.

It may also derive from the fact that no other work (during ww2) could have been more meaningful in the bigger picture than fighting in the war.

03-01-2011 07:34PM

So the only way to lower the suicide rates is to be in a war? Right, who shall we declare war on? Someone we can beat, obviously. Maybe some small African country?

All joking aside, this thread has become something great.

Mars Bar · 03-01-2011 07:36PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Since I told my mother she has made it her mission to pop in and say "cheer up will ya!!" about 5 times a day. headwrecking

Hey Mussolini.

It's annoying isn't it?

I don't have depression, thankfully. However, I have been struggling to cope with the aftermath of a fatal crash. I just haven't been myself.

Last night, 8 weeks after the accident, my Mam has finally said that she knows I'm not myself and not to keep it all in. She didn't know how to approach the subject but a couple of drinks seem to have done the job for her! :pac: I'm seeing the college counsellor so I have been talking but I don't wanna say everything that's in my head to my Mam coz it might upset her. I don't want that. That'd make me feel worse!

This morning it was all, "How are you? Are you feeling alright? Do ya wanna go bowling this evening for a bit of fun? Let's go for a walk in the fresh air."

No Mam, that's not gonna bring any one back.

Tchaikovsky · 03-01-2011 07:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Right, who shall we declare war on? Someone we can beat, obviously. Maybe some small African country?

Iceland.
They only have yoghurt as a weapon! Plus, no army.

kowloon · 03-01-2011 07:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So the only way to lower the suicide rates is to be in a war? Right, who shall we declare war on? Someone we can beat, obviously. Maybe some small African country?

All joking aside, this thread has become something great.

I don't think it would follow for all wars. Compare Americans being drafted during the Second World War to those being sent to Vietnam. It was all about perception of the war.
Public opinion was very different between the two. I wonder if you crunched the numbers would you find suicides between those drafted and those left at home reversed.
Simplistic I know, but it would be interesting if anyone knew any more about it.

03-01-2011 07:51PM

So how would we apply this thinking to present-day Ireland?

kowloon · 03-01-2011 07:53PM

03-01-2011 07:55PM

If there was some way in which we could give people a sense of worth, but how is the main question.

cleremy jarkson · 03-01-2011 07:59PM

kowloon wrote: »

I don't think it would follow for all wars. Compare Americans being drafted during the Second World War to those being sent to Vietnam. It was all about perception of the war.
Public opinion was very different between the two. I wonder if you crunched the numbers would you find suicides between those drafted and those left at home reversed.
Simplistic I know, but it would be interesting if anyone knew any more about it.

Yeah, not to get too off topic by talking about wars but...
.. the soldiers of ww2 had the whole country behind them and they were fighting for the future of the world, in a way... veterans came back as heroes
... the soldiers in Vietnam (who I heard were on average 19 years old and were subjected to something akin to brainwashing before fighting) didn't have the backing of the whole country like their fathers did and came back to a world which didn't have the same respect for them as was the case with their fathers... I suppose the whole war-eliminates-depression theory only applies to ww2..!!

mikom · 03-01-2011 08:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So the only way to lower the suicide rates is to be in a war? Right, who shall we declare war on? Someone we can beat, obviously. Maybe some small African country?

We've Always Been At War With Eurasia.

Novella · 03-01-2011 08:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If there was some way in which we could give people a sense of worth, but how is the main question.

Make psych services more accessible?

Perhaps things like weekly groups especially for people suffering from depression - something that'd give people a challenge for the week, ya know, like reading a book and discussing it the next week or trying a new recipe etc. If someone is out of work due to their illness, days can seem like they go on forever and I dunno, giving 'em something to do would be good. Plus getting out and meeting others dealing with the same issues would help build a support network.

More services like Pieta House : http://www.pieta.ie/

Resi12 · 03-01-2011 09:22PM

I've been depressed/anxious since June of last year but lately with my holidays and me not having much to do to keep my mind off of it, it's been festering much more. I'm not close at all with my family, my mam is horrible to me and or I always feel she is.

I just want to be happy again but I'm afraid to take the step, why? I'm not sure but it's scary. I went to my GP last year when it hit me and I broke down in the room, he sent me for a blood test but I when I went I almost passed out because I don't like needles so the nurse said I could come back another day but I never bothered and nothing was ever followed up.

Now I'm missing loads of college and might be kicked out and my mam is on my back over it. I just feel like I need someone to drag me out from under.

wellboy76 wrote: »

How do you know you have depression?

Do overweight or unfit people use it as an excuse?

How does it click into gear is what I'm saying because I bet there are a lot of people who self diagnose themselves incorrectly

I'm sorry but this post has made me furious..

03-01-2011 09:25PM

Do you have an on-campus counselor? Maybe it might be worth paying them a visit.

Resi12 · 03-01-2011 09:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you have an on-campus counselor? Maybe it might be worth paying them a visit.

It's a FETAC course so no. I had a meeting about my attendance but I never brought it up, I never said anything though because I just couldn't.

Wibbs · 03-01-2011 09:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So how would we apply this thinking to present-day Ireland?

In a way you would have to make people's mental lives harder. Give them less time to idle their gears as it were. I do think making mental life easier is what may be driving some of this. Our lives are easier than a century ago and a lot easier than 10,000 years ago. In either case, sitting in your room as an adult playing your bleepy games watching donkey porn as a distraction cos "I vant to be alooooone" would simply not be an option. You would have to deal with life and living. Then add in most people's shíte diet, monumental lack of exercise, not enough fresh air and sunlight, daily rhythms of nature(at fault there myself), delayed adulthood and reproduction, smaller families and less connected social lives, less spriritual certainties, huge over botoxed expectations of life and no wonder so many of us are a bit crackers. Shíte, it makes more sense to be so, rather than not.

Ok mad theory alert; the dietician types often make the point that we need to eat in a way that we evolved for. We didnt evolve for excessive consumption of cakes and pies, so they're bad and will kill ya. We evolved to be much more mobile than most of us are too. So we see illnesses like diabetes and obesity and a fair few others, that just dont show up in groups that act like we were "designed" to. I'd say similar of mental illness for the most part. We see far far more of it than in hunter gatherer societies, because our mental "diet" is outa whack with our minds(or our minds have yet to catch up). And just like a crap diet, not all will be obviously affected, but more will be.

It would be my take that many many cases of depression are like "type 2 diabetes of the mind"("real" clinical depression and bipolar more like type 1 diabetes). Environmental, preventable and maybe reversible. It would be my contention that the SSRI type treatments are akin to type 2 diabetes treatments, an easy fix, that papers over the cracks, but until you change your lifestyle not a lot will change and they may actually cause more harm than good.

foxinsox · 03-01-2011 09:38PM

Resi12 wrote: »

I've been depressed/anxious since June of last year but lately with my holidays and me not having much to do to keep my mind off of it, it's been festering much more. I'm not close at all with my family, my mam is horrible to me and or I always feel she is.

I just want to be happy again but I'm afraid to take the step, why? I'm not sure but it's scary. I went to my GP last year when it hit me and I broke down in the room, he sent me for a blood test but I when I went I almost passed out because I don't like needles so the nurse said I could come back another day but I never bothered and nothing was ever followed up.

Now I'm missing loads of college and might be kicked out and my mam is on my back over it. I just feel like I need someone to drag me out from under.

I would suggest you go back to your doctor, honestly everybody probably breaks down in front of the doctor, I've done it a lot of times. Doctors are trained for this and they can help you.

Have you ever tried explaining how you feel to your mother? Maybe she just doesn't know how to talk to you and might be making mistakes in her way of parenting... it happens.. parents can mess up too..

If you explain to the tutors that you are having a bad time right now they might be able to help you out a bit more.

Please talk to someone, you will feel better afterwards. You say you feel like you need someone to drag you from under... you don't have to deal with it all yourself, there are people who care and who will help. Holding it all in doesn't help one bit..

take care

Depression

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