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If you get permanently injured in your first two years you're let go with no support?

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  • 07-10-2010 8:38pm
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    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭


    Listening to this morning's Stephen Nolan show and have to say I'm pretty shocked by what I just heard.

    If you get injured in your first two years of service to the extent you can't perform as an officer anymore you are dismissed without compensation.

    Now maybe this is normal in police forces around the world but I would have thought that the PSNI would have different procedures due to the militant republican campaign. I mean like so called 'danger money' Gardai got in border regions.

    Is this made clear before you sign up? I really can't believe this is the situation considering the risks you have to take.

    Maybe there's some other details I'm unaware of?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpsh


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    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Shocking to learn that if that is indeed the case. Below item from today's RTE website.


    NI to overhaul PSNI compensation system

    Thursday, 7 October 2010 13:54
    Northern Ireland Justice Minister David Ford has said the system for compensating police officers injured on duty is set for a major overhaul.
    Mr Ford has published the final report on the review of police injury pensions commissioned in May after concerns over how some former officers had been treated.
    The review team was jointly chaired by the Northern Ireland Department of Justice and the Northern Ireland Policing Board.
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    The report promises a raft of reforms including a pledge to backdate successful appeals on awards made to officers.
    Mr Ford said the findings are an excellent example of the difference devolution can make to the people of Northern Ireland.


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    talla10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭talla10


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    I mean like so called 'danger money' Gardai got in border regions

    No such thing as 'danger money' In An Garda Siochana it all depends on service so the guard manning a checkpoint in dundalk with 3 years service is earning the same wage as a guard with same service in listowel


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    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    talla10 wrote: »
    No such thing as 'danger money' In An Garda Siochana it all depends on service so the guard manning a checkpoint in dundalk with 3 years service is earning the same wage as a guard with same service in listowel

    Was there not some extra payment they got in the past? Maybe it was actually the border regions on the other side but you get my point, as there's extra risk the rules should be exceptional.

    Though to be honest I am still surprised it is normal in any police force


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    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Unfortunately this is true. If you are injured and you can't do the job anymore, you get booted. They obviously won't and don't accept liability so you would have to commence legal proceedings against the Chief Con for special damages, loss of future earnings, loss of earnings potential etc...
    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    Listening to this morning's Stephen Nolan show and have to say I'm pretty shocked by what I just heard.

    If you get injured in your first two years of service to the extent you can't perform as an officer anymore you are dismissed without compensation.

    Now maybe this is normal in police forces around the world but I would have thought that the PSNI would have different procedures due to the militant republican campaign. I mean like so called 'danger money' Gardai got in border regions.

    Is this made clear before you sign up? I really can't believe this is the situation considering the risks you have to take.

    Maybe there's some other details I'm unaware of?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpsh


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    1986j
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭1986j


    I can see the rational behind it and I can see how in 99% of cases it is NOT fair.

    However there will always be people trying to exploit this in some way. Think of the people who declare themselves as unable to work in normal day to day life. The incentive of a good wage and possible large payoit maybe means that others may try to cheat the system?


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    kitchensink
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭kitchensink


    I found this posted on the bbc website today. probationer officer was hurt with six months to go for the end of her probationary period and was booted.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11568103


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    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Very interesting Kitchensink and thanks for posting that link.

    A sad case but doubtless happens in all Police Forces , what I would be appalled at is if she was booted without compensation . In this case the injured officer received a derisory 3 months pay but it should be noted that she does have a separate civil action for damages pending - good luck to her !


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    Shield
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    Disgraceful. In the line of duty and all. She deserves AND will get a lot more than 3 months' pay if there's any justice in the world.


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    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Perhaps the new compensation scheme announced by David Ford will address these very obvious shortcomings ?


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    catweasel10
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭catweasel10


    Update on the BBC story

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11574735


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    Homer01
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    Worth a bump. I assume nothing has changed here.


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    Johannes_Cabal
    Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Johannes_Cabal


    Homer01 wrote: »
    Worth a bump. I assume nothing has changed here.

    Bit shocking if that's still the case.


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    Homer01
    Registered Users Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Homer01


    As someone else said further up I can understand the rationale but seems harsh. Especially if the circumstances were beyond your control.

    How many candidates are aware prior to applying?


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    Johannes_Cabal
    Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Johannes_Cabal


    Homer01 wrote: »
    As someone else said further up I can understand the rationale but seems harsh. Especially if the circumstances were beyond your control.

    How many candidates are aware prior to applying?

    Yeah exactly. I don't think many would have been, I wasn't anyway.


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    majgreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭majgreen


    Discharge is entirely dependant on circumstances and professional opinions of whether you are able to continue in an operational role. I've seen people break bones whilst in Garnerville and they're still out on the ground today... Dont be panicking about picking up injuries, it happens, it will delay your probation, but its not necessarily the end of your career!


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