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Rachel Corrie, Irish ship on Collision Course with Israeli Navy Near Gaza

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  • #482
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    Maki, just out of curiosity (i mean its not a loaded question) was that a usual amount of rounds to be used on the number of people killed?


  • #483
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    Maki, just out of curiosity (i mean its not a loaded question) was that a usual amount of rounds to be used on the number of people killed?

    Honestly, I've no idea.

    At a guess, and its only a guess. I'd say if it was from one man its a lot, from multiple weapons I wouldn't imagine so.

    But like I said, its purely a guess.

    At another guess I would say if all those nine people were actually attacking IDF soldiers at the very moment they were shot, its remarkable that there wasn't a 'friendly fire' incident!.. And read into that how you like, because I'm only guessing.


  • #484
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    The reports said one man killed 6 activists. 3 others were killed by other soldiers. However, 48 other people were also shot.


  • #485
    Dodd
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    Rte.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0605/mideast.html


  • #486
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Dodd wrote: »
    Rte.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0605/mideast.html

    At the outset that would look promising, but I doubt they'll be allowed through.


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  • #487
    moonpurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭moonpurple


    time to expell the israeli ambassador for blatant lies about our foreign minister at the direction of the israeli government

    "Irish Foreign Minister Dr. Michael Martin had earlier reached an agreement with Israel, whereby the Rachel Corrie would proceed to Ashdod where its contents would be checked, unloaded and then shipped to Gaza under observation of representatives of the activists, the UN and the Irish government"

    'Rachel Corrie' intercepted off Gaza coast
    By JPOST.COM STAFF
    06/05/2010 07:12

    http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=177526

    Nick Dolan wrote: »



    did you even read the page dude ?


    i have quoted the words above that are on google news... careful news management by tel aviv my surf loving friend

    (their making this teacher a doctor does not make it ok)


  • #488
    Nick Dolan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Nick Dolan


    whats this blatent lie that should lead to his explusion?


  • #489
    moonpurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭moonpurple


    Nick Dolan wrote: »
    whats this blatent lie that should lead to his explusion?


    are you up all night my brother?

    our prime minister asked that this ship be allowed dock at gaza, it is a deliberate lie to suggest that our foreign minister suggested an israeli port...

    divide and conquer, psychological warfare to sow doubt in the hearts and minds of the people on the boat

    you need to go to bed buddy

    israeli ambassador coming on newstalk in next 30 minutes, text him your views ladies 53106:pac:


  • #490
    Dodd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Dodd


    Nick Dolan wrote: »
    whats this blatent lie that should lead to his explusion?

    Irish passports used by Israelis to kill.


  • #491
    Nick Dolan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Nick Dolan


    moonpurple wrote: »

    our prime minister asked that this ship be allowed dock at gaza, it is a deliberate lie to suggest that our foreign minister suggested an israeli port...
    Mr Martin said he had reached agreement with the Israeli government to allow the vessel dock in the Israeli port of Ashdod.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0604/mideast.html

    Yesterday morning Israeli officials working with their Irish counterparts agreed on a plan under which the ship’s cargo would have been discharged and inspected under the supervision of UN officials and representatives from the Irish Aid division of the Department of Foreign Affairs. The entire cargo would then have been transported to Gaza.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0605/1224271913191.html


    Now the passport incident is a different kettle of fish if you want to kick him out that would be the boot to ...well wear i suppose


    to Dodd:
    I really dont care as an Irish citizen that they used Irish passports. Maybe others do?


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  • #492
    Run_to_da_hills
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    The reports said one man killed 6 activists. 3 others were killed by other soldiers. However, 48 other people were also shot.
    According to this source 6 are still unaccounted for, probably topped off by the same blood thirsty Israelite and then dumped overboard. All crew cameras were destroyed so they would have no record of this and of course the IDF would only show footage of their own dirty lies.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0605/mideast.html


  • #493
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    According to this source 6 are still unaccounted for, probably topped off by the same blood thirsty Israelite and then dumped overboard. All crew cameras were destroyed so they would have no record of this.


    Oh come on, stop winding them up.


  • #494
    Sparks43
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    right guys if they do board lets declare war on israel

    id say we could take them :D


    anyone got any semtex:rolleyes:


  • #495
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Magnolia Chilly Pinhole wrote: »
    Honestly, I've no idea.

    At a guess, and its only a guess. I'd say if it was from one man its a lot, from multiple weapons I wouldn't imagine so.

    But like I said, its purely a guess.

    At another guess I would say if all those nine people were actually attacking IDF soldiers at the very moment they were shot, its remarkable that there wasn't a 'friendly fire' incident!.. And read into that how you like, because I'm only guessing.
    Could just be pure dumb luck too though. Bad or good depending on viewpoint. Like that old notion that harvey oswald couldnt have made the shots that killed kennedy. Better riflemen than him tried to replicate it and couldnt. He just got lucky. It seems to be emerging that one guy did more or most of the shooting. Maybe because he just happened to be in a better firing position and was just a better shot? It is lucky/dubious that his fellow soldiers didnt get hit. Then again maybe they did and some of the injuries intially blamed on captured IDF weapons were actually friendly fire?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #496
    Dodd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Dodd


    28 miles away from Gaza now and still going.


  • #497
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    My guess, and I could be wrong - is that they will wait for them to be out of international waters before the board the ship.


  • #498
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Could just be pure dumb luck too though. Bad or good depending on viewpoint. Like that old notion that harvey oswald couldnt have made the shots that killed kennedy. Better riflemen than him tried to replicate it and couldnt. He just got lucky. It seems to be emerging that one guy did more or most of the shooting. Maybe because he just happened to be in a better firing position and was just a better shot? It is lucky/dubious that his fellow soldiers didnt get hit. Then again maybe they did and some of the injuries intially blamed on captured IDF weapons were actually friendly fire?

    Wibbs, its like I've said from the start.

    I can only be honest and hazard a guess at what happened.

    The media report stated that Staff.Sgt.S took command of the situation when his superiors went down injured so it might be that he had a commanding position.

    But sorting out that mess would be a forensics nightmare, angles and proximity of the shots fired etc..

    The simple truth of it is that we're very unlikely to find out what really happened from either side. And whatever evidence is realised by the Israeli's or the activists will be dismissed by their opposites.


  • #499
    tiocimarla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭tiocimarla


    Rabies wrote: »
    "If any harm comes to any of our citizens, it will have the most serious consequences," Prime Minister Brian Cowen

    I'm sure the're terrified of us.

    Prime minister brian cowan, lol im like pretty sure thats not the title given to the leader of ireland.


  • #500
    Nick Dolan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Nick Dolan


    i dont think Israelies or palastinians would understand his proper title - Biffo


  • #501
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    The 'Rachel Corrie' has now been asked three times by the Israeli Navy to divert to ASHDOD port, she has refused . . .

    Boarding by Israeli naval personal now imminent.


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  • #502
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Lots of Twitter activity suggesting it has been intercepted by the Israeli Pirates.. it's being towed towards Ashdod but was not boarded


  • #503
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Camelot wrote: »
    The 'Rachel Corrie' has now been asked three times by the Israeli Navy to divert to ASHDOD port, she has refused . . .

    Of course they have refused. That would defeat their purpose of running the illegal & immoral blockade, now wouldn't it?


  • #504
    youcrazyjesus!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭youcrazyjesus!


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    :eek:I cannot believe this!!

    Educated by the taxpayer, and now repatriated by the taxpayer!!

    Everyone in the country is educated by the taxpayer. What are you on about exactly?
    Someone needs to shine a fooking very intense searchlight into this shít fairly rapido.

    Why? Because you don't understand it?


    Incredible stuff.
    Swanning around on some flyblown cause whilst MY hard earned taxes support the fcuker.


    BEYOND BELIEF

    Being in receipt of social welfare does not mean you surrender your passport. There is no longer full employment, it is inevitable some people will be unemployed. I don't think delivery cement and pencils to a 3rd world country under the threat of assassination from Israeli death squads amounts to "swanning around" anywhere. These people have more balls than a lot of the caricature hard men on here.


  • #505
    youcrazyjesus!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭youcrazyjesus!


    Magnolia Chilly Pinhole wrote: »

    The simple truth of it is that we're very unlikely to find out what really happened from either side. And whatever evidence is realised by the Israeli's or the activists will be dismissed by their opposites.

    It's just me but I tend to take eyewitness evidence from hundreds of people that corroborates over the word of a group as utterly discredited as the IDF. The 10-15 dead bodies and the autopsy reports also backs their word up.


  • #506
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    youcrazyjesus! wrote: »
    Being in receipt of social welfare does not mean you surrender your passport. There is no longer full employment, it is inevitable some people will be unemployed. I don't think delivery cement and pencils to a 3rd world country under the threat of assassination from Israeli death squads amounts to "swanning around" anywhere. These people have more balls than a lot of the caricature hard men on here.

    Being in receipt of job seekers allowance mean's you must be available and actively seeking employment, and while I don't agree to it because it excludes people from doing charity work etc, this waster has made a nuisance of himself to all & sundry from day one it would seem.

    His mother is no different, but then - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

    Bloody sponger.


  • #507
    youcrazyjesus!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭youcrazyjesus!


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    I'm shining a light on punters who are aboard ships 2000kms from this jurisdiction and are supposedly claiming job seekers allowance.

    You don't surrender your passport nor are you prohibited from leaving the state if you're on unemployment benefit.
    I support that tax take and I am entitled to question who gets it and how it's administrated.

    Those people supported it too I'm sure, they just might be unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs. Like hundreds of thousands in this country.


  • #508
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    They should stay at home and mind their own business


  • #509
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    youcrazyjesus! wrote: »
    The 10-15 dead bodies and the autopsy reports also backs their word up.


    autopsy reports mean nothing
    any of those shot in the back were also shot in the front - bodies tumble as the fall, someone lying prone or standing sideways could catch a bullet either side


  • #510
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    youcrazyjesus! wrote: »
    Y


    Those people supported it too I'm sure, they just might be unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs. Like hundreds of thousands in this country.

    Actually Fiachra's mother said he's never sought employment as he was busy with (and getting arrested for damaging a USAC plane) the protests against the US forces using Shannon as a stop over and the Shell to Sea protests.

    She also boasted of being arrested at Shannon too.

    They're a burden to the honest tax payer of this country.


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  • #511
    youcrazyjesus!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭youcrazyjesus!


    Magnolia Chilly Pinhole wrote: »
    Being in receipt of job seekers allowance mean's you must be available and actively seeking employment, and while I don't agree to it because it excludes people from doing charity work etc, this waster has made a nuisance of himself to all & sundry from day one it would seem.

    If somebody is collecting it while he is away that is illegal, if nobody is, then it lapses. He doesn't receive it any more. He also has the option of notifying them about this. You don't have all the facts so don't slander somebody when you don't have all the facts.

    His mother is no different, but then - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

    Bloody sponger.

    :rolleyes:

    I'm sure there more civilised with better values than a lot people on here. And what part of "no more full employment" cause difficulty for people? Are the tens of thousands of construction workers who have lost their jobs and who cannot get work "bloody spongers" too or is only those whose politics you don't agree with "bloody spongers"? These seems to be the "bleerin' students" mentality rearing it's ugly head again.


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