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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭mehfesto


    Blank_ wrote: »

    Weird read, that!

    It suggests that it wasn't atheism that killed him, but his inability to accept "irrefutable evidence" given what he had been forced to believe for so many years. And yet it tries to demonise atheism.

    It also clarifies that people WANT to believe - saying that at least in a world with god there is meaning and understanding. Without him it's scary. Really thought that bit was interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Jesse Kilgore committed suicide in October by walking into the woods near his New York home and shooting himself.

    Ah, rii-iight. It was the atheism...not the gun laws or the people that indoctrinated him with something so easily challenged in the first place...it was them bad auld rational arguments laid out by an atheist. :rolleyes:

    It's such a shame anyone would set their kid up to place everything on such a shaky house of cards. :(


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Christian barber beaten and sodomised by Muslims for shaving one of their brothers beards

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/04/30/barber-sodomised-for-beard-abuse/

    Religion of peace, not true Muslims etc etc

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Christian barber beaten and sodomised by Muslims for shaving one of their brothers beards

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/04/30/barber-sodomised-for-beard-abuse/
    "He also started beating my head with his shoes..."

    WTF


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    Dades wrote: »
    "He also started beating my head with his shoes..."

    WTF

    Sign of disrespect thing?

    I'm assuming the rapists will be stoned to death, or sentenced to prison for committing an act of homosexuality?

    No? Oh, what a surprise.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Dades wrote: »
    "He also started beating my head with his shoes..."
    It's a cultural thing -- shoes are associated with dirt and therefore, with ritual impurity, hence taking them off when you get to the mosque or somebody else's house.

    Clobbering somebody over the head with a shoe is seen not only as an act of violence, but an attempt to defile one's opponent (cue those pics of the rent-a-crowd who swarmed over Saddam's toppled statue in Baghdad, swiping it with their sandals; and indeed, that Iraqi reporter who chucked his shoe at Bush the Younger).


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I must remember that the next time I am offended by an infidel.

    The shoe bit. Not the rest. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭sonicthebadger*


    Dades wrote: »
    "He also started beating my head with his shoes..."

    WTF

    I managed to take out the tiger with a can of mace, but the shopkeeper and his son that's a different story altogether.....I had to beat them to death with their own shoes. Nasty business, really, but sure enough I got the M&Ms, and Ozzy went on stage and did a great show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I think their fury is directed at the wrong prson TBH. (not that I'm condoning attacking people for having a shave)


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Personally I found the sodomising the most puzzling

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭sonicthebadger*


    Personally I found the sodomising the most puzzling

    Exactly! Were they angry with him or loving him?

    Anyway, I'm sure this guy would have something to say about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    What the..............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭iUseVi


    This is not brainwashing. Yeah right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭jimmyendless


    I thought the following paragraph very interesting.

    "Such cards have no spiritual value. They falsify the significance of the eucharist and trade on the faith and goodwill of people. It is a commercial operation with profit as its motive. Those who engage or facilitate this practice, including the shops that offer them for sale, seriously exploit the eucharist and its sacred character," the letter to shopkeepers states.

    Pot calling the kettle black anyone?

    http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/missionaries-warn-retailers-over-pre-signed-mass-cards-119512.html#ixzz0ncYDUrUQ


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    ^^ Moved to Hazards of Belief thread due to the hazard of being ripped off. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Ciaran500 wrote: »

    I think it's more pro Christian than pro Catholic. Reading it made me feel somewhat ill TBH. How the heck are kids meant to stand a chance when tehy are force fed such crap?

    While I'm in "Think of the children!" mode, an Irish bishop wants kids to hand over a portion of their confo money so they can rebuild a cathederal.
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bishop-asks-confirmation-children-to-give-cathedral-cash-2182574.html


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Galvasean wrote: »
    While I'm in "Think of the children!" mode, an Irish bishop wants kids to hand over a portion of their confo money so they can rebuild a cathederal
    Seems some guy "who had travelled to see his nephew confirmed last weekend" suddenly got worried about how impressionable young kids are:
    Some Guy wrote:
    "Children are very vulnerable at that age," he said. "The whole thing seemed to be prepared in advance and reiterated in the confirmation ceremony. [...]
    A bit late for that, I'd have said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Wacker


    A schoolboy died after refusing a blood transfusion following a car crash because he was a Jehovah’s Witness.

    Joshua McAuley, 15, suffered life-threatening injuries to his legs and abdomen after being pinned against a shop front by an out-of-control car as he went to buy sweets.

    He survived the crash in Smethwick, West Midlands, and remained conscious, but lost a massive amount of blood and was airlifted to hospital for a transfusion.

    But Joshua died six hours later, after he refused to consent to the operation because of his faith, church representatives said.

    Under medical law, doctors are required to decide whether a child under 16 is
    competent enough to consent to or refuse medical treatment without the need for parental permission or knowledge.

    Sources at University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Trust suggested doctors followed this law, known as the Gillick competence test, before deciding Joshua was able to make his own decision.

    It is unclear whether either of the boys’ parents were at the hospital at the time.

    Last night members of his congregation described how he told doctors ‘no blood, no
    blood, no blood’ after he was flown to Selly Oak Hospital, in Birmingham.

    As a Jehovah’s Witness from a devout family, Joshua followed the belief that blood is sacred and transfusions are prohibited by the Bible.

    Hospital staff are thought to have begged the teenager to change his mind, but he refused.

    Clive Parker, an elder at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses where Joshua and his family worshipped, said: ‘I believe he was conscious enough after the accident and he made a stand on the blood issue. He made the choice personally.’

    Joshua, who was about to start his GCSEs at the local Shireland Academy, went to
    buy sweets while out preaching to residents at 11.15am on Saturday, when the accident happened, friends said.

    Firemen battled to free Joshua, as others trapped inside the shop feared the building would collapse.

    Paramedics gave him pain relief and emergency treatment at the roadside, before
    flying him to hospital. Four other pedestrians were hurt in the crash – one seriously.

    The 28-year-old male driver, from Birmingham, has been bailed pending further
    inquiries, West Midlands Police said.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279252/Jehovahs-Witness-15-dies-refusing-blood-following-crash.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    It's very sad the amount of JW's who needlessly die due to their anti blood transfusion BS.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭legspin


    Galvasean wrote: »
    It's very sad the amount of JW's who needlessly die due to their anti blood transfusion BS.

    Whatever about the adults (who can kill themselves in any way they want imo), it is nothing short of child abuse when it's a minor and should be dealt severely


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭mehfesto


    It's amazing that JW's can deny themselves blood, but anyone who doesn't believe in fairytales can't sign up for euthanasia. The mind boggles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I was actually think that myself, surely the JW's denial of blood policy is a form of euthanasia?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Galvasean wrote: »
    While I'm in "Think of the children!" mode, an Irish bishop wants kids to hand over a portion of their confo money so they can rebuild a cathederal.
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bishop-asks-confirmation-children-to-give-cathedral-cash-2182574.html

    It get's better. Now they want the schools they control to pay the (instead of y'know funding the schools):
    http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/83642m-church-bill-sparks-call-for-schools-reform-2188531.html


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Now they want the schools they control to pay [...]
    Yeah, saw that and I was wondering what value the church is adding these days to the whole process. And while I'm sure they do plenty of thing -- like preventing the kids of atheists from getting to school in the first place -- all I could really think of is them doing is creating and implementing the country's child protection guidelines.

    Which kind of suggested that the church was getting people to pay to protect them from the church's employees.

    It's an old strategy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    When you think about it, isn't all religion a protection racket? Give us money and we'll make sure you don't go to hell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    mehfesto wrote: »
    It's amazing that JW's can deny themselves blood, but anyone who doesn't believe in fairytales can't sign up for euthanasia. The mind boggles

    Fuck, I'd never thought of it like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭mehfesto


    We get these through the door all the time:
    offering.jpg?t=1274467442

    Love the line: Our family offering to God... and the parish
    The good lord will provide, me arse.


    I've been tempted for ages to print this out and put it in it:
    NOTHING.jpg?t=1274467441


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    mehfesto wrote: »
    We get these through the door all the time:
    http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa110/conroys2/offering.jpg?t=1274467442

    Love the line: Our family offering to God... and the parish
    The good lord will provide, me arse.


    I've been tempted for ages to print this out and put it in it:
    http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa110/conroys2/NOTHING.jpg?t=1274467441

    My mom gets Christmas and Easter dues envelopes every year... addressed to her from the local Catholic Church... She's Lutheran.

    Dear Kiffer's Mom... You owe us money, please pay your Dues.

    I asked her what she does with them... she said they've been coming since she moved into the house in the late '90s, she just bins them... we think they just pulled names from the electoral register or something, with no regard for peoples actual religious affiliations...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    mehfesto wrote: »
    We get these through the door all the time:
    offering.jpg?t=1274467442

    The key to heaven? :confused:


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