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Cardinal will only step down if told by Pope

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  • #152
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    The posters who attempt to defend the RCC may as well be urinating on a forest fire. They're probably the 3 who voted no in the poll.


  • #153
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    They're all rotten, sick, corrupted fcuks. The head of Toyota public apologised to the WORLD for the technical mistakes his car company made recently. But that's the old Japanese Honor for you, there's no fear of Benedict following his honorable example.


  • #154
    entropi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,731 ✭✭✭✭entropi


    What an ársehole...

    oh wait that's what that bishop said all those years ago...sorry my mistake.


  • #155
    Happyman42
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    ...


  • #156
    RonMexico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    He should be thrown into the sarlac pit. I think it is in Longford somewhere.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9sJVJMiYM


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  • #157
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Outrage wrote: »
    Funny interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church you have there matey. Are you another quarter-educated, liberal boards.ie user (35% of whom have been arrested) with too much time/information on his hands? Do you honestly think that when Cardinal Brady goes home to his palace at night, he actually cares what you and your cronies think? People have hated hated the Church throughout the ages. The populist mob spat in the face of Christ, crucified him, openly applauded it and denounced his name. 2010 is no different when it comes to such people.

    Don't post in this thread again. Please


  • #158
    cian1500ww
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭cian1500ww


    He should be demoted at the very least to a priest, shouldn't have as much power as he has imo.


  • #159
    grenache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Why do priests, bishops and cardinals continually hide behind this sham that is 'canon law'. According to this law of the church, cardinal brady, bishop murray and the other clergy did nothing wrong. So basically, canon law gives them carte blance to act as they wish - to move on paedophiles from parish to parish, to force rape victims to sign denial claim forms, etc. How disgusting is this? They are just as bad as the perverts who committed these horrific acts of abuse. In fact they are even worse, supposedly decent ''men of god'' who knew crimes were being committed and covered them up. Truely sickening. Not only should Brady resign, he should be charged with lawful neglect of children under his care. He disgusts me.


  • #160
    Outrage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Outrage


    Just saw the Frontline. That priest in disguise was on again who makes me grind my teeth as soon as he opens his mouth. Then there was that philosophy professor: a breath of fresh air (thanks be to God). Next, was a member of the lavender mafia/"let's interpret Vatican II as something it isn't" stalwart. Followed by an obviously embittered/failed seminarian who was "bullied" and whose soul is now probably in mortal danger for being such a blabber mouth. It would make for great entertainment if it wasn't so bloody serious. Of course official press releases and documentation released by the Church never gets a look-in: just a bunch of loonies drumming up applause from the "think of the children" mob on prime-time national TV.


  • #161
    RonMexico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    Outrage wrote: »
    Just saw the Frontline. That priest in disguise was on again who makes me grind my teeth as soon as he opens his mouth. Then there was that philosophy professor: a breath of fresh air (thanks be to God). Next, was a member of the lavender mafia/"let's interpret Vatican II as something it isn't" stalwart. Followed by an obviously embittered/failed seminarian who was "bullied" and whose soul is now probably in mortal danger for being such a blabber mouth. It would make for great entertainment if it wasn't so bloody serious. Of course official press releases and documentation released by the Church never gets a look-in: just a bunch of loonies drumming up applause from the "think of the children" mob on prime-time national TV.

    You were told by a mod to cease posting in this thread. Obviously you fail to respect the rules. Are you a Cardinal by any chance?


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  • #162
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Outrage wrote: »
    So what do you think of the Pope's latest apostolic constitution aimed at inviting Anglicans to have a closer union with the Catholic Church then? When all the High Anglicans (and I have heard some excellent High Anglican sermons in my time I might add) break away, I suppose you'll be left on the side with all the gay vicars, lesbian bishops and happy-clappy guitar-singing folk groups. Good riddance.
    Outrage wrote: »
    You surround yourself with Church-haters (by logging on to the ooh so liberal boards.ie). You probably haven't got a clue about Catholicism apart from the filth you pick up in the Sunday Independent (as written by a prophetic Church-hater). Go educate yourself.
    Outrage wrote: »
    The Cardinal is staying put. He will live out his days firm in the knowledge that he has served the Church and done the will of God to the best of his abilities and will be rewarded when he enters the kingdom of heaven.

    Stone-throwing in glasshouses comes to mind: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055844760 A truly ironic statistic for such a bunch of idiots on their little hobby-horses. The clergy are on the ground, working hard and dealing with the fallout from the perverted Irish (including putting their hands in their pockets) - what are you lot doing apart from cribbing and moaning and using the situation to further your Church-hating agendas?
    Outrage wrote: »
    Lol. Funny how boys were 230% more likely to be abused than girls. And yes, I put most of the blame on sexual perverts within the Church. And yes, I regard the desire to have bum sex as a perversion (as do most people on this planet, not just the 1 billion Catholics).
    Outrage wrote: »
    I say! Dr Garret Fitzgerald in leg irons.

    You're a foaming at the mouth mob merchant with an agenda.
    super-rush wrote: »
    Don't post in this thread again. Please

    Outrage wrote: »
    Just saw the Frontline. That priest in disguise was on again who makes me grind my teeth as soon as he opens his mouth. Then there was that philosophy professor: a breath of fresh air (thanks be to God). Next, was a member of the lavender mafia/"let's interpret Vatican II as something it isn't" stalwart. Followed by an obviously embittered/failed seminarian who was "bullied" and whose soul is now probably in mortal danger for being such a blabber mouth. It would make for great entertainment if it wasn't so bloody serious. Of course official press releases and documentation released by the Church never gets a look-in: just a bunch of loonies drumming up applause from the "think of the children" mob on prime-time national TV.

    At 22:38 you were given this warning by a Moderator of AHs.
    super-rush wrote: »
    Don't post in this thread again. Please

    Banned.


  • #163
    raah!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    In fairness there aren't many other directions the thread could go, when it quickly turned into little more than hate-mongering."I hate all catholics tbh"-thankthanktthankthank.

    Saying the people who go to church are to blame for rapist priests is the same as saying that irish people are to blame for berty ahern stealing money... or any of those other governmental injustices. A claim to superiority isn't valid for those who still pay taxes.


  • #164
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    medicman2009 wrote: »
    They're all rotten, sick, corrupted fcuks. The head of Toyota public apologised to the WORLD for the technical mistakes his car company made recently. But that's the old Japanese Honor for you, there's no fear of Benedict following his honorable example.

    Toyota 'knew of pedal fault in '07'
    http://www.asianewsnet.net/news.php?id=9860&sec=2
    cian1500ww wrote: »
    He should be demoted at the very least to a priest, shouldn't have as much power as he has imo.

    He was an Archbishop before he was a Cardinal.


  • #165
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    raah! wrote: »
    the same as saying that irish people are to blame for berty ahern stealing money... or any of those other governmental injustices. A claim to superiority isn't valid for those who still pay taxes.

    The difference is, there's no reasonable way to "opt out" of a national society without emigrating. That is the social contract a citizen engages in so long as they remain with a country's borders. Catholics, on the other hand, can choose to remain part of the church, or they can choose not to - but at this point they cannot reasonably claim ignorance or coercion, and so they must do so freely and with their eyes open.

    So long as they willingly remain a part of that organisation, they are complicit in it's present and future actions. Presently, the church publically and shamelessly continues to shirk responsibility for the harm done to children in it's care or acknowledge it's own deep-rooted problems in any meaningful way - I do not think it is unreasonable to consider anybody who continues to support such an organisation, idealogically or financially, partly complicit in it's efforts to do so.


  • #166
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,786 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    The term is "Perverting the course of justice" not "Preventing the course of Justice".

    Any chance a mod could edit the poll?


  • #167
    Jip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Jip


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    This was a breathtaking interview with this Monsignor Maurice Dooley character, a guy I had never heard of before. He was so full of arrogance and even managed to say that the law of God, which he equated with Canon law, was not necessarily accountable or inferior to the civil law of the Irish state. It's a good job Mary Raftery was in the studio to correct him on the civil law.

    If any of you can listen to it, you will be astounded at what he was saying. These "leaders" of the Roman Catholic Church belong to a different century, and it's not in the future. The interview with Dooley can be found here:

    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/todaywithpatkenny/

    I haven't had a chance to read the rest of the thread from this post on, but while I thought that interview was bad when I heard it yesterday, his interview with Colm O'Gorman on the Last Word yesterday evening was despicable. O'Gorman put him in his place, everyone should have a listen it.

    It's posted on the Today FM website, probably the Last Word page but I can't get a link to it as that website is blocked from here.


  • #168
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    genericguy wrote: »
    in conclusion, your post is shit, and i hope cardinal daly gets raped.

    I believe it says something in the bible about an eye for an eye alright!


  • #169
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    69 wrote: »
    The term is "Perverting the course of justice" not "Preventing the course of Justice".

    Any chance a mod could edit the poll?

    they'd have to edit more than that because the last inquiry found abuse up to 2004, so they have certainly not changed since 1975.


  • #170
    mike65
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    Jip wrote: »
    It's posted on the Today FM website, probably the Last Word page but I can't get a link to it as that website is blocked from here.

    http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Matt-Cooper/listen.aspx


  • #171
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Mary Raferty made a good point in her article yesterday that following orders didn't work for those on trial at Nuremburg, why should it work for Brady?


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  • #172
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    raah! wrote: »
    Saying the people who go to church are to blame for rapist priests is the same as saying that irish people are to blame for berty ahern stealing money... or any of those other governmental injustices.
    They are, FF supporters and the people who voted them in again and again are responsible for the actions of Bertie, this is a democracy and the ultimate responsibility lies with the people but no one ever wants to admit they're wrong and be done with it, no they have to drag it out for years and waste vast sums of money in the process.


  • #173
    Blueboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Blueboyd


    well maybe they could let him to continue his work as a cardinal but from behind bars

    From Colm O'Gorman's blog
    Offences against the State Act 1939 is still in force. That act, and thanks to Francis for the heads up on this, states:
    17.—(1) Every person who shall administer or cause to be administered or take part in, be present at, or consent to the administering or taking in any form or manner of any oath, declaration, or engagement purporting or intended to bind the person taking the same to do all or any of the following things, that is to say:—
    ( a ) to commit or to plan, contrive, promote, assist, or conceal the commission of any crime or any breach of the peace, or
    ( d ) to abstain from disclosing or giving information of the Commission or intended or proposed commission of any crime, breach of the peace, or from informing or giving evidence against the person who committed such an act,
    End of quote

    Being from another country one thing seems very odd to me in this abuse scandal. Have been reading the Independent and the Times and watching RTE but it seems since Murphy report most of the talk I have seen is whether someone should resign or about the ethics and moral of it - did someone do wrong - did Bishop of Ferns do wrong when he wants more money for the church. Very little have I heard the word Gardai or prosecutor and I guess yesterday's labor comments are the only comments from politicians I have managed to catch. Politicians seem very quite. Maybe this is because I am thousand miles away and have limited access to the Irish Media but it makes me wonder that when clearly crimes have been committed - why aren't there any arrests reported. Clearly if someone plans to rob a bank and does so and you do know about it and don't report it - the you become a criminal too. Same should apply to people who have hidden child abuse / rape crimes deliberately. So to me the question if Brady should resign is not the relevant one - the question should be why is Cardinal Brady not prosecuted. Also there seems still lot of people out there thinking it is enough that Cardinal Brady followed the church law. But that is not true. Besides when Ireland joined EU it was welcomed as sovereign democratic state and not as some sort of half Taliban-Church State.


  • #174
    Doc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    The poll is a loaded crock of ****.

    You are asking should he be charged and step down but I have only the option of saying yes he sould be charged with preventing the course of justice or that the RCC have moved on and are trying to put things right.

    I dont think he should be charged but I do think he should step down and I think that the RCC have moved on so what option do I pick.


  • #175
    Hagar
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    Why should he step down if he's done nothing wrong?
    And if he is stepping down because he did something wrong why shouldn't he be charged?


    You can't have it both ways.


  • #176
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    if only i had an imaginary friend to consult with to tell me what i wanted to hear.
    how does this monsignor Dooley know that Brady was following God's law by not reporting these matters. it's the old story of the idea of God not being the problem but human interpretation of him/her because going by that farce of an interview then for all we know god's law was that the nazis were doing the right thing by persecuting the jews and any priest or person who intervened was in the wrong.


  • #177
    i57dwun4yb1pt8
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    resign you fcuking scumbag !


  • #178
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    69 wrote: »
    Why should he step down if he's done nothing wrong?
    And if he is stepping down because he did something wrong why shouldn't he be charged?


    You can't have it both ways.

    Not everything that is wrong, is illegal.


  • #179
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    dvpower wrote: »
    Not everything that is wrong, is illegal.

    But I am pretty sure taking notes at a meeting where children of 10 and 14 are forced to sign an oath not reveal that they were sexually molested is?


  • #180
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Lux23 wrote: »
    But I am pretty sure taking notes at a meeting where children of 10 and 14 are forced to sign an oath not reveal that they were sexually molested is?

    I'm not sure that it is. There are DOHC guidelines about reporting child abuse, but afaik, no legislation. I'd be fairly confident that the cardinal broke no law.


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  • #181
    MackDeToaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭MackDeToaster


    I've just listened to that Last Word broadcast with Dooly and Colm O'Gorman and I was absolutely gobsmacked at the pure shyte that Dooley was coming out with. With almost every sentence he destroyed any claim either himself or the Catholic church can make as to be either moral or ethical.

    Best of all was when he tried to make out that oaths of silence were necessary for the process to neutralize any harm Smyth could have done.
    Well Dooley, the easiest way to neutralize Smyth would have been for Brady and his fellows to report him straight to the Gardai, perhaps even make a citizens arrest, because that's all you and Brady are, citizens of this country.
    You might give yourself fancy names and have your Canon law, the equivalent of Dungeons and Dragons or golf club rules, but while you may still be fooling yourself and many other gullible fools, you're not going to fool us all forever.

    Dooleys entire contribution to that show was to display himself and the church as unfeeling and inhuman with an utter lack of compassion or care towards children and victims of rape and abuse. Well done on a good job lifting the veil from a few more eyes.

    Him, Brady and their church are just as monsterous as Smyth was, and perhaps even worse because they knew what he was doing and still stood idly by playing in their fairytale world of make-up rules.

    These people are not just utterly immoral cretins, but outright dangerous lunatics, as by any normal standards only a madman would make children who have been raped swear not to tell anybody else and fail to have that rapist immediately arrested.

    I'll probably get modsmacked for this but whatever.


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