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IMPORTANT INFO RE SWINE FLU

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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eyejuice wrote: »
    oh and here's even more articles on squalene in vaccines and GWS
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=12127050&ordinalpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

    oh wait a lot of those say that squalene is safe...
    screw this. I'm going to bed.

    Have you actual read any of these.
    At least three of those papers conclude the exact opposite of what you are saying.

    One study shows that squalene antibodies are naturally produced and another shows that there was no squalene in the vaccine received by gulf war soldiers.

    Edit: Whoops, didn't read you last sentence.:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    King Mob wrote: »
    Have you actual read any of these.
    ...
    Edit: Whoops, didn't read you last sentence.:o

    Irony in action :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 358 ✭✭Hugo Drax


    Mass murder of who? Doesn't really say does it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    deereidy wrote: »
    maybe this is just a stupid question and I'm totally naive..but why would you want to kill your own people?

    There's many theories. Originally, It was theorised that the Swine-flu was man made in order to kill ethnic groups, in order to kill specific individuals, or in order to cull the population.

    There's also a theory that it was man made so that people would think they need a vaccine and the vaccine they were given has something in it that will kill ethnic groups, kill specific individuals or cull the populace. Or there could be something in the vaccine that made the human mind more susceptible to suggestion, making the populace more docile.

    There's also the possibility that the intent isn't to kill, rather that pharma companies don't care about any repercussions that occur because of their vaccines and simply want the make a profit and they want to make it now.

    There's any number of reasons, to be honest. Just pick one and roll with it.
    Nehaxak wrote: »
    Absolutely simple question - if the population have doubts over some ingredients that aren't absolutely required to be in a vaccine in the first place, like a preservative or anything to do with mercury for example - then why not just put their minds at ease and remove it rather than shouting at them and calling them stupid ?

    Seems simple enough to me, remove that which is not required to be there in the first place, thereby removing the cause of peoples concerns, therein providing the ability for the vaccines in question to be distributed and used more widely without such public worries.

    My guess would be that once the pharma company decided on a final recipe they went into mass production. Stopping mass production, bringing the vaccine back to formula, testing it again, recalling all previously released vaccines and releasing the new one, would cause them millions if not billions. They're not going to waste money on something when they don't believe there is a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    humanji wrote: »
    My guess would be that once the pharma company decided on a final recipe they went into mass production. Stopping mass production, bringing the vaccine back to formula, testing it again, recalling all previously released vaccines and releasing the new one, would cause them millions if not billions. They're not going to waste money on something when they don't believe there is a problem.

    There's an even simpler answer.

    Vaccines are produced on a continuous basis.

    Seasonal flu vaccines are produced year-in, year-out. While the specifics of the flu being targetted may change, the actual methods of producing the vaccines are not.

    So, we've a situation where these allegedly-dangerous materials have been in vaccines for years. All of a sudden, people are crying out that there is something new and dangerous about a well-established process.

    The manufacturers are saying "you're wrong, because there's nothing new about this process". If these dangers exist - and exist to the extent being alleged - then we'd expect to see them clear-as-day amongst those who take seasonal flu vaccines.

    Its somewhat ironic that the same people who tell us that there's far too much hype over the entire swine-flu pandemic are by-and-large the same people asking us to buy into the hype about the new danger posed by a well-established process.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    I'm not pretending to be an expert here, but I'm just going on my own experience and thoughts on the matter.

    I read an article a while back (Don't ask me to link, this was back in like 2008 sometime) where an entire class of children was infected with a virus due to the vaccine being given to a child who had early stages of the virus. According to the doctors involved, the vaccine lowered the defence systems of the children, and this apparently allowed the virus to infect the hosts more efficiently. None died, but they all got the virus.

    If anyone here is in secondary school, recently they gave away free MMR Vaccines to teenagers back in like April or May. Now let me get this straight, Mary Harney will not hand out €8 million for cervical cancer vaccines, but she will pay for free MMR Vaccines, doesn't make sense to me. A girl in my class contracted Mumps the week the vaccines were being given out, she comes back to school a week later. NO ONE, VACCINATED OR OTHERWISE CONTRACTED THE VIRUS. No one, that just doesn't make sense to me in the slightest. And what the worst thing is, None of this was mentioned in the mainstream media at the time, at least as far as I could see anyway.

    Personally I just don't see the point in vaccines, you're infecting your self with the virus in the hopes that your body will produce the antibodies to fight off the virus. But what if you are in the early stages of the virus. What if you have a weak immune system. What if the virus' are tainted? Or too concentrated? What if you already have traces of the virus, but it just hasn't taken yet?

    I know these are all variables and with anything there're risks, I just think by taking the vaccines you're increasing the risks of contracting the virus. I mean come on, you don't break your own leg on purpose so that in the future, when you break your leg unintentionally, it'll be easier to deal with. That's just plain stupid. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    bonkey wrote: »
    There's an even simpler answer.

    Vaccines are produced on a continuous basis.

    Seasonal flu vaccines are produced year-in, year-out. While the specifics of the flu being targetted may change, the actual methods of producing the vaccines are not.

    So, we've a situation where these allegedly-dangerous materials have been in vaccines for years. All of a sudden, people are crying out that there is something new and dangerous about a well-established process.

    The manufacturers are saying "you're wrong, because there's nothing new about this process". If these dangers exist - and exist to the extent being alleged - then we'd expect to see them clear-as-day amongst those who take seasonal flu vaccines.

    Its somewhat ironic that the same people who tell us that there's far too much hype over the entire swine-flu pandemic are by-and-large the same people asking us to buy into the hype about the new danger posed by a well-established process.


    This is the best summing up of the issue I've seen in a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Slugs wrote: »
    Personally I just don't see the point in vaccines, you're infecting your self with the virus in the hopes that your body will produce the antibodies to fight off the virus.
    This comment suggests that you don't understand the theory and practice behind immunizatuin....in which case, its understandable that you don't see the point.
    I just think by taking the vaccines you're increasing the risks of contracting the virus.
    Statistically speaking, you're demonstrably wrong.
    I mean come on, you don't break your own leg on purpose so that in the future, when you break your leg unintentionally, it'll be easier to deal with. That's just plain stupid. ;)

    Yes...that would be just plain stupid. I'm not sure what the relationship to immunization is, though.

    Also, other than htis being a "I disagree with the establishment" viewpoint, I don't really see the relevance to conspiracy theories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    bonkey wrote: »
    This comment suggests that you don't understand the theory and practice behind immunizatuin....in which case, its understandable that you don't see the point.

    Well I mean as I stated I've only barely looked into it, I mean I don't plan on getting vaccines for the very simple reason, I don't know what is in them. You have an immune system, use it or lose it.

    I do however understand the concept. I know the vaccine used is actually a dead form of the virus and basically you're using that dead virus to trick your system into thinking that you have the virus. But the whole business sounds sketchy to me, after all if it's dead how can it be infected. And I think immunizing yourself against a virus only encourages the mutation of the virus.


  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Slugs wrote: »
    Personally I just don't see the point in vaccines, you're infecting your self with the virus in the hopes that your body will produce the antibodies to fight off the virus. But what if you are in the early stages of the virus. What if you have a weak immune system. What if the virus' are tainted? Or too concentrated? What if you already have traces of the virus, but it just hasn't taken yet?
    You don't just hope your body produce antibodies that's how a vaccine works.
    It provokes you immune system into producing the right antibodies.
    It's the exact same as how your body normally fights a virus except you don't suffer the same symptoms and there's a lot less of the virus in your body.

    Many diseases that are vaccinated against are quite dangerous. Mumps and polio for instance. So it's much much better to fight the disease before any symptoms can do damage.

    Further more there are a few people who can't be vaccinated (very young infants and people with underlying conditions) these people rely on the majority of people not having the disease.

    And the vast vast majority of vaccines are safe and in the right dosages and free of contaminants.
    Slugs wrote: »
    I know these are all variables and with anything there're risks, I just think by taking the vaccines you're increasing the risks of contracting the virus. I mean come on, you don't break your own leg on purpose so that in the future, when you break your leg unintentionally, it'll be easier to deal with. That's just plain stupid. ;)
    But you don't get immunity from leg breaking by pre breaking your leg.
    It's a bad analogy.

    It's more like once you have the chicken pox you increase the risk of contracting it later in life.
    Oh wait...

    By taking vaccines you don't increase the risk of contracting the virus at all.
    In fact it's the opposite. When you do come into contact with the virus you're far far more likely to be able to fight it off because your immune system will already have the antibodies necessary to fight the virus thus leaving you with less exposure to active viral antigens and you will not suffer the symptoms of the virus which sometime could lead to complications like pneumonia.


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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Slugs wrote: »
    Well I mean as I stated I've only barely looked into it, I mean I don't plan on getting vaccines for the very simple reason, I don't know what is in them. You have an immune system, use it or lose it.
    The vaccine make you use your immune system just like the virus but without the symptoms.
    Slugs wrote: »
    I do however understand the concept. I know the vaccine used is actually a dead form of the virus and basically you're using that dead virus to trick your system into thinking that you have the virus.
    Pretty much.
    Slugs wrote: »
    But the whole business sounds sketchy to me, after all if it's dead how can it be infected.
    Because virus is there it just can't replicate or cause symptoms.
    Slugs wrote: »
    And I think immunizing yourself against a virus only encourages the mutation of the virus.
    No, it doesn't.

    How exactly can the virus do that when it's dead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    Well I mean when a virus finds a new host, wont it have adapted from the previous host. I mean why would it try the same tactics over and over again, they adapt...


  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Slugs wrote: »
    Well I mean when a virus finds a new host, wont it have adapted from the previous host. I mean why would it try the same tactics over and over again, they adapt...
    Because it's not intelligent or one entity? And it's not how mutation, evolution or viruses work?

    It uses those tactics because that's what it's genetic and chemical make up make it do.
    Antibodies (both those produced normally or by the presence of a vaccine, there's no difference) work on the chemical make up of viruses.

    Some viruses has new strains that pop up every year like the cold and flu, while others don't like chicken pox and mumps.
    This happens all the time regardless of vaccines.

    You really should read up on how vaccines and viruses work before you start decrying them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Slugs wrote: »

    I do however understand the concept.
    ...
    after all if it's dead how can it be infected.

    If I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that you understand the basic premise of immunization, but admit that you don't understand how it works.

    With respect, that doesn't seem like a strong position from which to argue that it does or doesn't work.
    And I think immunizing yourself against a virus only encourages the mutation of the virus.

    Can I ask what you base this on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    bonkey wrote: »
    If I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that you understand the basic premise of immunization, but admit that you don't understand how it works.

    Which I stated in my initial post.
    With respect, that doesn't seem like a strong position from which to argue that it does or doesn't work.

    I didn't come here to get into a scientific debate, I just came to give my thoughts on the matter, I've made my initial post which no one has yet to comment on, which I was hoping someone would. I'm not here to get into a debate about something I don't obviously fully understand, or at the very least know the finer details of. I just have an overview. I'm not STATING yhat it does or doesn't work, I'm just giving my thoughts on it and why in my OPINION it just doesn't make any sense to do it from having looked at it.

    I will be going away in a while to have a look at some articles on vaccines and the like, but wanted to post this before I started just to get some initial feedback on what I highlighted in my initial posts :P

    And yes I realise the "broken leg" analogy had its flaws (;)) but it was the only one I could think of at the time :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Slugs wrote: »
    I didn't come here to get into a scientific debate, I just came to give my thoughts on the matter, I've made my initial post which no one has yet to comment on, which I was hoping someone would. I'm not here to get into a debate about something I don't obviously fully understand, or at the very least know the finer details of. I just have an overview. I'm not STATING yhat it does or doesn't work, I'm just giving my thoughts on it and why in my OPINION it just doesn't make any sense to do it from having looked at it.

    I don't know a lot about viruses although I have learned more about them recently. Now I can have whatever opinion I like, I'm entitled to think what I want. I could think the earth is flat if I want, although evidence would say otherwise. So in the vaccine debate I choose to go with the vast majority of the medical profession and the peer reviewed science rather than people who often have an agenda and little evidence on the internet. It doesn't mean I'll be queueing up to have injections just that if push comes to shove and my life is threatened I'll make the most rational and informed decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Slugs wrote: »
    I didn't come here to get into a scientific debate, I just came to give my thoughts on the matter,

    I'm not asking you to get into a scientific debate....particularly considering that this is not a science forum.

    I'm doing like you - offering my thoughts on the matter. My thoughts is that someone who admits to not understanding how something is supposed to work is not someone I would consider as being in a position to make a strong argument as to wother or not it does work.

    You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine.
    You're entitled to voice your opinion, just as I am entitled to voice mine.

    You feel it worth pointing out to anyone reading that you don't think it works. Thats fine by me.

    I feel it work pointing out to anyone reading that you admit to being in a position where that opinion is based on a lack of information. I would hope that this is equally fine by you.

    This being a Conspiracy Theories forum, and (as mentioned above) not a science forum, the points you are making have to be considered in terms of the forum.

    If someone is questioning whether or not vaccination is a hoax, fraud, or other conspiracy against us, then your comments appear to support that notion. You support the notion that they're not what medical and scientific communities claim them to be...you believe that they don't do what is claimed.

    By implication, you seem to believe that the medical and scientific communities are lying to us.

    While I applaud your intention to go and read some material on the subject, I'm curious as to how you can reconcile any information that explains why immunisation works with the belief that the very communities who would produce such information are lying to us about just that very subject.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    The first 30,000 doses of the Jab arrives in Ireland next week. :eek:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0828/1224253404819.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    HOORAY!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    Hello all,
    I was away for a couple of days holiday from CT, while I was away I came across something that hasn't been discussed, and something also in the news about sunbed bans and am now wondering if there's a link, maybe it's just coincidence.
    Anyway it seem's nobody has told us the best way to avoid flu, VITAMIN D, that's it!, not C, D!
    Our main source of vitamin D is sunlight, save myself some typing so I'll post links, but anybody considering getting swine flu jabs please look further into this information BEFORE GETTING JABBED.
    First some video's, please look.

    VIDEO 1

    VIDEO 2

    VIDEO 3

    VIDEO 4

    VIDEO 5

    Some links:

    Vitamin D deficiency linked to more colds and flu....

    Researchers see link between vitamin D, flu immunity

    Risk Of Colds And Flu May Be Increased By Vitamin D Deficiency

    Setting the people up to die: A conspiracy of silence about swine flu natural remedies, VITAMIN D

    Epidemic influenza and vitamin D

    So it seems the solution is more vitamin D, now with all the swine flu boloxology, no "PRO BIG PHARMA" propoganda has mentioned simple vitamin D.

    I encourage people NOT to get the swine flu jab, look at the evidence, google influenza, vitamin d, actually just click it, I googled it for you.

    Now here's for the conspiracy part,
    WHY HAVE NONE OF THE VARIOUS SWINE FLU PROPAGANDA LEAFLETS MENTIONED VITAMIN D.

    quote:
    The UCLA group confirmed two other recent studies, showing that a naturally occurring steroid hormone - a hormone most of us take for granted - was, in effect, a potent antibiotic. Instead of directly killing bacteria and viruses, the steroid hormone under question increases the body's production of a remarkable class of proteins, called antimicrobial peptides. The 200 known antimicrobial peptides directly and rapidly destroy the cell walls of bacteria, fungi, and viruses, including the influenza virus, and play a key role in keeping the lungs free of infection. The steroid hormone that showed these remarkable antibiotic properties was plain old vitamin D.


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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wow.

    So don't buy into the hokey miracle cure of the vaccine but buy into the miracle cure of vitamin D?

    I don't think there's a doctor that'll tell you not to take vitamin D.

    But why oh why do people still listen to Natural News?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    King Mob wrote: »
    Wow.

    So don't buy into the hokey miracle cure of the vaccine but buy into the miracle cure of vitamin D?

    I don't think there's a doctor that'll tell you not to take vitamin D.

    But why oh why do people still listen to Natural News?

    This wasn't intended for you, it's for smart people to look at and investigate for themselves.
    And again your post is pure nonsense, I'm sure your a really smart person, it's just your post's are stupid and retarded, that annoy's me, remember attack the post not the poster.
    Anyway in my last post there are 12 links, 1 link is to natural news, the rest are NOT, they are to what you would consider "legitimate", so please don't just quack off the first thing that comes to mind when you see I've posted, because yet again your post's will be shown for the stupidity that they contain.

    NOW PLEASE IF YOU CAN, SHOW ME THAT THIS VACCINE IS BETTER THAN LOTS OF VITAMIN D......


  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    uprising wrote: »
    This wasn't intended for you, it's for smart people to look at and investigate for themselves.
    And again your post is pure nonsense, I'm sure your a really smart person, it's just your post's are stupid and retarded, that annoy's me, remember attack the post not the poster.

    So what was stupid and retarded about it exactly?
    The part were I commented on the irony of you decrying the vaccine as a hokey miracle (even though no one claims it is) but then claim that vitamin D is a miracle cure?
    Or that most doctors and dieticians usually recommend vitamin D as well as others for a number of things?
    uprising wrote: »
    Anyway in my last post there are 12 links, 1 link is to natural news, the rest are NOT, they are to what you would consider "legitimate", so please don't just quack off the first thing that comes to mind when you see I've posted, because yet again your post's will be shown for the stupidity that they contain.
    And it's a shame that you consider such a obviously biased and unscientific site like Natural News a reliable source at all.

    The "credible" sources however don't claim that vitamin D is a cure or good enough replacement for a vaccine. If fact some of them say that the link is very tenuous.

    But why exactly do you believe these scientists?
    uprising wrote: »
    NOW PLEASE IF YOU CAN, SHOW ME THAT THIS VACCINE IS BETTER THAN LOTS OF VITAMIN D......
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_vaccine#Efficacy_of_vaccine

    I'm not sure there has been a comparative study but given the tenuous link I doubt there is.

    Maybe you can provide a good study that shows an increase in vitamin D is as effective as vaccinations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭Captain Furball


    uprising;

    In video 1 the doctor says 1000 out of a million people die of the flu each year in America.So why the need to vaccinate the entire world?

    The doctor in video 2 says "VITAMIN D Is a Hormone", is that true?


    Video 3 they say that people who take vitamin d have 4 times lower risk to certain cancers for instance colon cancer. Some very good information so far.

    the swine flu boloxology thats a good way to put it!

    WHY HAVE NONE OF THE VARIOUS SWINE FLU PROPAGANDA LEAFLETS MENTIONED VITAMIN D

    It's not in the interests of the companies or the governments as far as I can see.But why isn't it?Money?Or are they actually trying to reduce world population?

    Anyways thanks for the information on the hormone vitamin D.
    Very good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    King Mob wrote: »
    So what was stupid and retarded about it exactly?
    The part were I commented on the irony of you decrying the vaccine as a hokey miracle (even though no one claims it is) but then claim that vitamin D is a miracle cure?
    Or that most doctors and dieticians usually recommend vitamin D as well as others for a number of things?

    And it's a shame that you consider such a obviously biased and unscientific site like Natural News a reliable source at all.

    The "credible" sources however don't claim that vitamin D is a cure or good enough replacement for a vaccine. If fact some of them say that the link is very tenuous.

    But why exactly do you believe these scientists?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_vaccine#Efficacy_of_vaccine

    I'm not sure there has been a comparative study but given the tenuous link I doubt there is.

    Maybe you can provide a good study that shows an increase in vitamin D is as effective as vaccinations.
    Ok here we go AGAIN, I asked your post to show me that THIS VACCINE(swine flu) was better than vitamin D, your post didn't, it linked to normal flu vaccine, swine flu vaccine hasn't been tested, yet your post badly attempts to contradict mine which says vitamin D is better and in fact it will kill influenza in it's tracks, with a high enough level of vitamin D, the doctor actually does the maths for your body weight.
    The video's and links were to scientist's and .gov sites that say vitamin D IS A WONDERDRUG, IT'S JUST MADE BY NATURE.
    The sources DO say it's better than the swine flu jab.
    With this information, that's how I conclude your post is stupid, retarded and ignorant, everything your post asked for was provided before it was asked for, yet it was still asked, go back and look again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    uprising;

    In video 1 the doctor says 1000 out of a million people die of the flu each year in America.So why the need to vaccinate the entire world?

    The doctor in video 2 says "VITAMIN D Is a Hormone", is that true?


    Video 3 they say that people who take vitamin d have 4 times lower risk to certain cancers for instance colon cancer. Some very good information so far.

    the swine flu boloxology thats a good way to put it!




    It's not in the interests of the companies or the governments as far as I can see.But why isn't it?Money?Or are they actually trying to reduce world population?

    Anyways thanks for the information on the hormone vitamin D.
    Very good.

    Yes it's very useful information, good to see some intelligent discussion, and yes Henry Kissinger has a problem, he doesn't like too many people,
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/6474391/Henry-Kissinger-Population-Control-Document


  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    uprising wrote: »
    Ok here we go AGAIN, I asked your post to show me that THIS VACCINE(swine flu) was better than vitamin D, your post didn't, it linked to normal flu vaccine, swine flu vaccine hasn't been tested, yet your post badly attempts to contradict mine which says vitamin D is better and in fact it will kill influenza in it's tracks, with a high enough level of vitamin D, the doctor actually does the maths for your body weight.
    And if had been reading any of the posts in this and the other threads you see that this vaccine is very similar to the seasonal one.
    The efficacy of the seasonal vaccine is the best information available.

    I'd love to know how you know that vitamin D works better when as you say yourself the vaccine hasn't been tested.

    But let's have a look at the links:

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=vitamin-d-deficiency-linked-to-more-2009-02-23
    This article is talking about vitamin D deficiency, not using it as a cure.

    http://www.jsonline.com/features/health/44680902.html
    Ditto this one.
    And it goes on to say:
    So vitamin D's role, if any, in defending against the flu is theoretical.

    And there are other explanations, also unproven, about why flu persists in the fall and winter.

    And also has this quote from a lead proponent of vitamin D:
    Holick, a co-author of the article, said the only way the issue is going to be resolved is to do a large clinical trial using a placebo and vitamin D to see if it reduces flu rates.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/140123.php

    Again talking about a deficiency of vitamin D, not using it as a treatment.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16959053
    This paper does not talk about using vitamin D as a treatment either.
    It in fact says:
    We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'.
    uprising wrote: »
    The video's and links were to scientist's and .gov sites that say vitamin D IS A WONDERDRUG, IT'S JUST MADE BY NATURE.
    The sources DO say it's better than the swine flu jab.

    None of the credible links you provide say in any way, shape or form that vitamin D is better than a vaccine.

    You know what else is made by nature? The antibodies that are produced by the presence of a vaccine.
    And so is hemlock and arsenic. Both are 100% natural.

    uprising wrote: »
    With this information, that's how I conclude your post is stupid, retarded and ignorant, everything your post asked for was provided before it was asked for, yet it was still asked, go back and look again.
    And I did and none of them say what you claim they say.

    And you've yet to answer the question: why do you believe these scientists?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Uprising wrote:
    I encourage people NOT to get the swine flu jab

    Infracted for giving what amounts to medical advice.

    As of now, anyone giving medical advice on this thread, from this point on, will be summarily banned.

    Please note - this includes advising people to get the jab as equally as advising against them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    uprising wrote: »
    VIDEO 1 Another influenza season is beginning, and the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will strongly urge Americans to get a flu shot. In fact, the CDC mounts a well-orchestrated campaign each season to generate interest and demand for flu shots.

    But a recent study published in the October issue of the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine found that vaccinating young children against the flu appeared to have no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons.

    At first glance, the data did suggest that children between the ages of 6 months and 5 years derived some protection from vaccination in these years. But after adjusting for potentially relevant variables, the researchers concluded that "significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting" examined.

    Additionally, a Group Health study found that flu shots do not protect elderly people against developing pneumonia -- the primary cause of death resulting as a complication of the flu. Others have questioned whether there is any mortality benefit with influenza vaccination. Vaccination coverage among the elderly increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent now, but there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza or pneumonia.

    There is some evidence that flu shots cause Alzheimers disease, most likely as a result of combining mercury with aluminum and formaldehyde. Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.


    Three other serious adverse reactions to the flu vaccine are joint inflammation and arthritis, anaphylactic shock (and other life-threatening allergic reactions), and Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralytic autoimmune disease.

    One credible hypothesis that explains the seasonal nature of flu is that influenza is a vitamin D deficiency disease.

    Vitamin D levels in your blood fall to their lowest point during flu seasons. Unable to be protected by the bodys own antibiotics (antimicrobial peptides) that are released by vitamin D, a person with a low vitamin D blood level is more vulnerable to contracting colds, influenza, and other respiratory infections.

    Studies show that children with rickets, a vitamin D-deficient skeletal disorder, suffer from frequent respiratory infections, and children exposed to sunlight are less likely to get a cold. The increased number of deaths that occur in winter, largely from pneumonia and cardiovascular diseases, are most likely due to vitamin D deficiency.

    Unfortunately, now, for the first time, flu vaccination is also being pushed for virtually all children -- not just those under 5.

    This is a huge change. Previously, flu vaccine was recommended only for youngsters under 5, who can become dangerously ill from influenza. This year, the government is recommending that children from age 6 months to 18 years be vaccinated, expanding inoculations to 30 million more school-age children.

    The government argues that while older children seldom get as sick as the younger ones, it's a bigger population that catches flu at higher rates, so the change should cut missed school, and parents' missed work when they catch the illness from their children.

    Of course, this policy ignores the fact that a systematic review of 51 studies involving 260,000 children age 6 to 23 months found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo.



    VIDEO 2 Vitamin D can help fight off disease and illness in the body and has been suppressed in the medical field and out of public domain because vitamin D can naturally be given to us by the sun. If everyone knew vitamin D can cure and help fight off illnesses then the pharmaceutical companies and big businesses would lose money because you are no longer buying their drugs or useless sunscreen, which in actuality just makes you more ill and is more dangerous for you. That is why sunscreen is promoted and used and why chemtrails occur to not allow natural contact with the sunlight to the human body. Studies have shown that when sunscreen was introduced - the rate of skin cancer began to rise. There is nothing wrong with the sun. You are programmed by mass media and illogical and phony doctors and scientists that the sun is negative for you and you should avoid it at all costs. The sun allows life to exist on Earth. Trust that no one made a mistake when the sun was put in the sky.
    Good sources of vitamin D are fortified foods and beverages like milk, soy drinks, and margarine. Check the labels on these foods. Fish, liver, and egg yolk are the only foods that naturally contain vitamin D. Obtain organic foods and produce if you can to get the best nutritional value

    VIDEO 3
    Vitamin D has long been known for its importance in bone health, but few people realize the many other benefits that it offers. What vitamin D can do for you, and how much to take.


    VIDEO 4

    The Vitamin D Cure is a breakthrough way to increase your energy, decrease your pain and slim down, using the latest scientific research.

    We've long known that healthy Vitamin D levels are related to strong bones, but several recent peer-reviewed scientific studies have clearly shown that Vitamin D also decreases our risk of getting overweight and developing high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, arthritis, cancer, and other health problems.

    This book-the only one of its kind-introduces a simple plan to increase Vitamin D levels in the body through simple, individualized supplementation with Vitamin D, carefully increased sun exposure, and exercise. Through its clear and down-to-earth five-step plan, The Vitamin D Cure shows how variations in our diet and activity levels can have a profound impact on our health and well-being. This groundbreaking program provides a broad variety of benefits: readers can increase their energy, lose weight, improve their mood, and reduce their pain.

    James E. Dowd, MD, FACR (Brighton, MI) is a clinical associate professor of medicine at Michigan State University and the founder and director of both the Arthritis Institute of Michigan and the Michigan Arthritis Research Center. He has been widely published in the professional literature and has been interviewed on local TV and radio.

    VIDEO 5
    Updated research suggests children and teens will be stronger against several diseases if they double the current recommended dosage Vitamin D. Dr. Ian Smith explains to Julie Chen.

    Some links:

    Vitamin D deficiency linked to more colds and flu....

    Researchers see link between vitamin D, flu immunity

    Risk Of Colds And Flu May Be Increased By Vitamin D Deficiency

    Setting the people up to die: A conspiracy of silence about swine flu natural remedies, VITAMIN D

    Epidemic influenza and vitamin D


    I encourage people to look at the evidence, google influenza, vitamin d, actually just click it, I googled it for you.

    Didn't mean to give medical advice, is it ok to add information from my links? it's not my opinion, it's in the public domain already.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭4gun


    sick people = $$$$$
    pharmaceutical companies make more money selling cold and flu remidies than they would selling cures for such, how much is the diet industry worth, its worth billions in America alone

    Remember what happened to St Johns Worth in Ireland and the UK, it was a totally natural herb that had many positive health benifits but because it could not be patented it got banned
    Every time you go to a GP you get a perscription of some sort or other, they get benifits in kind for perscribing whatever
    How much is this so called swine flu going to cost governments globally
    Pandemic my backside I've yet to meet someont that has got it every other year it was just a simple "summer flu"
    wake up cos they're coming to get you


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