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The Hazards of Belief

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  • #452
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    “We don’t know why we do it, but we will never stop"

    Sounds like the ramblings of a drug addict.


  • #453
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Some people may say religion is a load of shite.
    They might be right:
    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/07/best_virgin_mary_sighting_yet.php


  • #454
    ZorbaTehZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ZorbaTehZ


    A girl who decided she'd rather have surgery on an operable brain tumor instead of praying to jesus to get rid of it, was then disowned by her parents.

    I had never heard of it before but the parents are members of the Church of Christ, Scientists... hilariously, members call themselves Christian Scientists.

    I suppose one now knows which church to join if one has a death-wish... :eek:


  • #455
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    ZorbaTehZ wrote: »
    I had never heard of it before but the parents are members of the Church of Christ, Scientists... hilariously, members call themselves Christian Scientists.
    The divine Spirit had wrought the miracle — a miracle which later I found to be in perfect scientific accord with divine law.

    hurr_durr.jpg


  • #456
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/02/us-daughter-pray-death

    Girl died after father turned to prayer instead of doctors


    A man in the US accused of killing his 11-year-old diabetic daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care has been found guilty of second-degree reckless homicide.

    Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted over the death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes.

    Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called an ambulance when she stopped breathing.

    Sitting straight in his chair in the near-empty courtroom yesterday, Neumann stared at the jury as the verdict was read. He declined to comment as he left the courthouse.

    Defence attorney Jay Kronenwetter said the verdict would be appealed. He would not comment further.

    Prosecutors also refused to comment, citing a gag order.

    Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified on Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.

    "If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."

    The father testified that he thought Madeline had the flu or a fever, and several relatives and family friends said they also did not realise how sick she was.

    Leilani Neumann, 41, was convicted on the same charge in the spring. Marathon county circuit judge Vincent Howard set October 6 as the date for sentencing for both parents, who face up to 25 years in prison.

    Their case is believed to be the first in the midwestern state of Wisconsin involving faith healing in which someone died and another person was charged with a homicide.

    Last month, a jury in the western US state of Oregon convicted a man of misdemeanour criminal mistreatment for relying on prayer instead of seeking medical care for his 15-month-old daughter who died of pneumonia and a blood infection in March 2008. Both of the girl's parents were acquitted of a more serious manslaughter charge.


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  • #457
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Glad to see the book being thrown at these fools.

    Medicine > Prayer


  • #458
    lankysexybeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭lankysexybeast


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Glad to see the book being thrown at these fools.

    Medicine > Prayer

    look at the story of bridget Cleary in the 19th century. we can't ignore that sometimes this is a form of meditated murder were they play that card to get away with it.


  • #459
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Saw this thread yesterday in Paranormal. It should probably go in here also :(

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055637589

    Disgraceful


  • #460
    pts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭pts


    The danger of bragging about your sexual exploits:
    Does kissing and telling mean a death sentence?

    Summary of Article:
    Last month, a 32-year-old Saudi man appeared on an Arabic satellite channel and discussed – without reservation and in great detail – his sexual likes and dislikes, his favorite sex toys and how he lost his virginity to a neighbor at the age of 14. Mazen Abdul Jawad described how he picked up women in the ultra-conservative Muslim Kingdom, brought them to his bedroom and had sex with them.
    While most people were simply shocked by his stories, others used the opportunity to discuss the antiquated societal norms of the Middle East that don’t respect people’s sexual freedoms. Others called for Jawad’s severe punishment. Suggestions ranged from flogging him on live television, to stoning him in a public place, to cutting off his sexual organs and hanging him to teach the masses and send a clear message that this type of behavior would not be tolerated in Saudi Arabia, home of Islam’s holiest shrines

    Scary stuff!


  • #461
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Holy hit machine: Pope to sing lead on a new album

    6a00d83451b46269e201157159eb9e970c-800wi

    One for the Christmas, ahem - I mean Winterval, stocking, lads!


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  • #462
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    He's even got a white glove!


  • #463
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    With those white clothes and golden bling, the delightfully camp Liberace springs to mind for some reason:

    7%20Liberace_jpg.jpg


  • #464
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctors in Italy who prescribe the newly introduced "Abortion Pill" will receive an automatic excommunication, says the Vatican.

    Link.


  • #465
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    robindch wrote: »
    7%20Liberace_jpg.jpg

    No, Mr Bond, I expect you to diie...


  • #466
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    -JammyDodger- wrote: »
    Doctors in Italy who prescribe the newly introduced "Abortion Pill" will receive an automatic excommunication, says the Vatican.

    Link.

    We should tel that lad from countmeout.ie
    Might save him some hassle.


  • #467
    lankysexybeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭lankysexybeast


    don't know were to put this so it's going here

    i'm watching a show were there looking at heaven through all different religions and they have this girl who went into a coma and says se was n heaven and can vivdly remember it. she was in a coma she could easily have been dreaming and yet they don't even mention that possibility. there also showing all of the different religions and times, completely forgetting to notice that they were different!

    there also forgetting a huge thing that everyone else does when they talk about the jews in the time of the old testemant, they did not believe that YHWH was the only god they believed he was the true god. they were henothists which means they believed in loads of gods. hence the story of the golden calf even though they had heard YHWH's voice.

    there completely ignoring that maybe we just die and it's that simple. you can't ignore that arguement because it has no less volition than any of the other theories.

    this is meant to be a proper show on the history channel and there not going into any of it. there taking (we'll call it) possible babilry to value. i hate the fact were we live in a world were this is the norm. as non-believers we have to explain ourselves more than believers who know nothing. a lecturer said that to me about one it that "it's harder to be an aethist than a believer because you will always be asked to explain yourself". :mad::mad::mad: just annoys me so much


  • #468
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    There was a lot of hocus pocus on the History Channel tonight. Watched a few bits but it was all a bit, well, tabloid. :)


  • #469
    lankysexybeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭lankysexybeast


    Dades wrote: »
    There was a lot of hocus pocus on the History Channel tonight. Watched a few bits but it was all a bit, well, tabloid. :)
    this one on the devil is quite good


  • #470
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Anyone watch the doc on Jonestown last night on TV3.

    It was fascinating (surprisingly good for a US doc, which tend to be light weight).

    I had no idea that the violence (they shot a US Senator and a bunch of new reporters who had flown down to South America to check on the status of the US citizens and then had a mass suicide) was largely recorded, including a horrific audio recording of Jones instructing the members that they needed to get the "medication" as they had killed the senator and now the US army was about the storm the place and torture them all.

    He asked if there was objections and a poor woman tried to object but was shouted down by other members (with Jones saying over and over he was listening and respected her opinion, he didn't need to shout her down himself).

    They had interviews with surviving cult members (only 7 out of over 1,000 survived the mass suicide at the main complex) one of which said after the order to sucide came he ran to his wife and child to find a nurse had put a syringe in of cyanide in the child's mouth and he was already dead and the wife had just taken the "Kool-Aid"

    Horrific stuff, but what was morbidly fascinating was that you could see all the manipulate and tricks Jones had used over the years to gain control of these people, so even though many were unhappy and wanted to leave (and did not want to kill themselves) they were still under his control and believed him when he said the alternative would be much worse

    Even some of the ex-cult members being interviewed still believed Jones had the power to faith heal and wouldn't accept testimony from others that described how he faked it (cult members would brake into houses of church goes to find details about their illnesses that Jones could then "read" from just looking at the ill person)

    (stuck this here as mass suicide certainly qualifies as hazards of belief, if turns into a discussion on Jonestown perhaps a new thread would be better place to discuss it)


  • #471
    Flamed Diving
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Anyone watch the doc on Jonestown last night on TV3.

    It was fascinating (surprisingly good for a US doc, which tend to be light weight).

    I had no idea that the violence (they shot a US Senator and a bunch of new reporters who had flown down to South America to check on the status of the US citizens and then had a mass suicide) was largely recorded, including a horrific audio recording of Jones instructing the members that they needed to get the "medication" as they had killed the senator and now the US army was about the storm the place and torture them all.

    He asked if there was objections and a poor woman tried to object but was shouted down by other members (with Jones saying over and over he was listening and respected her opinion, he didn't need to shout her down himself).

    They had interviews with surviving cult members (only 7 out of over 1,000 survived the mass suicide at the main complex) one of which said after the order to sucide came he ran to his wife and child to find a nurse had put a syringe in of cyanide in the child's mouth and he was already dead and the wife had just taken the "Kool-Aid"

    Horrific stuff, but what was morbidly fascinating was that you could see all the manipulate and tricks Jones had used over the years to gain control of these people, so even though many were unhappy and wanted to leave (and did not want to kill themselves) they were still under his control and believed him when he said the alternative would be much worse

    Even some of the ex-cult members being interviewed still believed Jones had the power to faith heal and wouldn't accept testimony from others that described how he faked it (cult members would brake into houses of church goes to find details about their illnesses that Jones could then "read" from just looking at the ill person)

    (stuck this here as mass suicide certainly qualifies as hazards of belief, if turns into a discussion on Jonestown perhaps a new thread would be better place to discuss it)

    Sounds like your bog-standard religion, to me.


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  • #472
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    This appears on something called Israel National News, so make of it what you will, but the story as reported is quite unpleasant:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214


  • #473
    OK-Cancel-Apply
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭OK-Cancel-Apply


    robindch wrote: »
    This appears on something called Israel National News, so make of it what you will, but the story as reported is quite unpleasant:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214

    Something negative about Iran and Islam on an Israeli site? Never! :pac:


  • #474
    ChocolateSauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »
    Something negative about Iran and Islam on an Israeli site? Never! :pac:
    link wrote:
    Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present.

    Unless the paper is lying outright, I rest my case.


  • #475
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi wrote:
    ...rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."
    It's quotes like this that make me wish for a second Great Flood. :(


  • #476
    pts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭pts


    An update on the women in Sudan who was arrested for the heinous crime of wearing trousers. She was found guilty and faces prison. Full story.


  • #477
    Flamed Diving
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    How dare she.


  • #478
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    pts wrote: »
    An update on the women in Sudan who was arrested for the heinous crime of wearing trousers. She was found guilty and faces prison. Full story.

    People say I'm intolerant for looking down on other cultures...


  • #479
    pts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭pts


    Only in 'Merica. High school marching band can’t wear evolutionary T-shirts. :rolleyes:

    The offending T-Shirt:

    band-shirt.jpg


  • #480
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Band parent Sherry Melby wrote:
    I was disappointed with the image on the shirt,” Melby said. “I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school.
    Would Sherry Melby please leave the gene pool.


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  • #481
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Pollitt said the district was required by law to remain neutral on religion.

    “If the shirts had said ‘Brass Resurrections’ and had a picture of Jesus on the cross, we would have done the same thing,” he said

    Since when was evolution a religion?


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