Aliens & Borg in Trek

Cookie_Monster · 18-05-2009 11:10am #1

How come most species in Star Trek have both balck and white members but no Asian one :pac::pac::pac:

Also was watching Fist Contact over the weekend and then watched the Regeneration episode of Enterprise. So many questions and dodgy bits...

How does a crashed ship go unnoticed for 90 years, even if it is in the artic.

How do the borg operate, at the end of FC all the borg die cos the queen does.

Why are the nano probes suddenly so slow and crappy, both with the various aliens and Phlox (though in this case is sorta explained)

Did they recover the reckage of the destroy ship and if not why not

Why is Starfleet unaware of the borg in TNG if the incedent happened

Why is an episode that initially sounded good and involves the borg so utterly terrible

nyarlothothep · 18-05-2009 12:37pm

two answers

Its Enterprise

Berman and Braga

User45701 · 18-05-2009 1:18pm

well borg timeline has always been a bit "all over the gaf"

The hansans (7's parents went searching for the borg long before the federations first offical encounter with them)

so the federation knew of the borg though info brought by the el-orans around the time of ent B. Then we can assume the events of the ent episode regeneration must have been classafied.

Zephram cochran even had a drunkan rant about the borg.

To answer your question the federation had to have know about the borg

johnciall · 18-05-2009 1:21pm

i work on the policy of disregard anything that happens in enterprise cause of the amount of times it conflicts with the rest of the continuity/cannon

Rawr · 18-05-2009 2:08pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

How come most species in Star Trek have both balck and white members but no Asian one :pac::pac::pac:

Also was watching Fist Contact over the weekend and then watched the Regeneration episode of Enterprise. So many questions and dodgy bits...

How does a crashed ship go unnoticed for 90 years, even if it is in the artic.

How do the borg operate, at the end of FC all the borg die cos the queen does.

Why are the nano probes suddenly so slow and crappy, both with the various aliens and Phlox (though in this case is sorta explained)

Did they recover the reckage of the destroy ship and if not why not

Why is Starfleet unaware of the borg in TNG if the incedent happened

Why is an episode that initially sounded good and involves the borg so utterly terrible

Hey Cookie,

A lot of the above is pretty much due to the lazyness of Berman, his team at the time, and that magical reset-button they keep hitting.

A small borg sphere could possibly go un-noticed for a while if it were buried deep enough in the ice. But really, even with the technology we have today, it would have been noticed.

Regarding the Queen's death. My guess is that the Borg as a whole can survive the death of a queen, but all of the nearby Borg and Borg ships are destoyed by the shock of it. Although this seemed to happen quite a bit in Voyager, so my guess is that Berman was going for the cartoon-villan approach, where the anogonists return regardless of small things like...their deaths.

Nano probes have become useless, because it suited Berman and Co. to have them that way. To actually have Phlox deal with the physical and mental trauma of assimilation (ala Picard), would have been very interesting...but alas would have involved work, and thus was not done. This trend appears to have started in Voyager, where Janeway and Co. also got assimilated, managed to get a vaccine for it, and were pretty much un-scarred.

The exact point where Starfleet know about the Borg can be hard to figure out. By the looks of things, Starfleet had known for years prior TNG about the Borg and did nothing. Not counting Enterprise, knowledge of the Borg would have come with the Ellurian refugees (Guinan etc...), back in Kirk's days. There's a scene in Scorpion Part 1 (VOY) where the Borg files are marked as Classified. Thus, they were probably not generally known about, even to fleet captains, until they are shown to be a threat. Q makes the point in Q-Who (TNG) that humanity had become complacent about the threats that faced it. Probably so much so, that Borg records were just buried in the Fleet records. That is, until the Hansens come along.

Regarding you final point on how the bad the Enterprise episode was..I copy and paste nyarlothothep's post. It's Enterprise, the show is all about ruining good ideas...

Johnny Storm · 18-05-2009 5:04pm

As Ms Queen, B. said herself "You think in such three-dimensional terms, how small you've become".

Dont forget that the Borg Queen was also destroyed in the cube that exploded as the end of "Best of Both Worlds" part deux :rolleyes: and it didn't seem to do her any harm

Spon Farmer · 18-05-2009 10:01pm

Cookie Monster.

it's because all borg stories AFTER best of both world's stories are garbage.

borg could have become one of the top sci-fi villains of all time if they hadn't turned them into big sissy blouse wearers. and the queen was crap too.

your right about Asian aliens too. never noticed that.

jhegarty · 18-05-2009 11:54pm

Right , here go.

How come most species in Star Trek have both balck and white members but no Asian one :pac::pac::pac:

There has been. Voyager's "Blink of an eye" springs to mind.

Also was watching Fist Contact over the weekend and then watched the Regeneration episode of Enterprise. So many questions and dodgy bits...

How does a crashed ship go unnoticed for 90 years, even if it is in the artic.

It crashed as earth was recovering from WW3. Once it was covered in ICE it would have been very unlikely to found unless they were looking for it.

How do the borg operate, at the end of FC all the borg die cos the queen does.

These borg had no collective.

Why are the nano probes suddenly so slow and crappy, both with the various aliens and Phlox (though in this case is sorta explained)

Better immune systems. This was said on screen.

Did they recover the reckage of the destroy ship and if not why not

No mention , so no reason to think they did/didn't.

Why is Starfleet unaware of the borg in TNG if the incedent happened

Time paradox. Borg discovered earth because of Q in TNG. This lead to the borg in movie going back in time. The borg in the movie sent signal that sent the cube to earth.

This hadn't happened the first time we watched TNG. As I said , it's a paradox.

Why is an episode that initially sounded good and involves the borg so utterly terrible

Because Voyager turned them from a terrible horrible enemy into cute puppies.

asdasd · 19-05-2009 12:02am

Because Voyager turned them from a terrible horrible enemy into cute puppies.

And a hot lady.

/gets anorak, and phaser. leaves.

Cookie_Monster · 19-05-2009 9:41am

There has been. Voyager's "Blink of an eye" springs to mind.

Well done! He's in a lot of sci-fi stuff too isin't he?

It crashed as earth was recovering from WW3. Once it was covered in ICE it would have been very unlikely to found unless they were looking for it.

But when they find it it's clearly not covered in ice. Also if it supposed to be giving off faint power signitures it would have regestered somewhere, even if they thought it was a downed aircraft or something. And surely in 90 years a satelite would have picked it up at some point!

Better immune systems. This was said on screen.

Only for Phlox, not the human or whatever other aliens they were

No mention , so no reason to think they did/didn't.

Surely they would have and with the amount of borg based semi future tech on it Starfleet would have advanced 200-300 hundred years in the space of about 20... Seems a bit of an oversight on thier part if they didn't

cyrusdvirus · 19-05-2009 11:04am

johnciall wrote: »

i work on the policy of disregard anything that happens in enterprise cause of the amount of times it conflicts with the rest of the continuity/cannon

i used, but this luxury is no longer available after the events of the most recent film.

Now the timeline is (as another poster said) The Events of F.C., All of Enterprise, The New film.

johnciall · 19-05-2009 12:05pm

gatecrash wrote: »

i used, but this luxury is no longer available after the events of the most recent film.

Now the timeline is (as another poster said) The Events of F.C., All of Enterprise, The New film.

True but the new films timeline is an AU so you can disregard itm, comic book fans have been doing this for a long time, look at how many different Batman or superman continuities their are

cyrusdvirus · 19-05-2009 12:09pm

johnciall wrote: »

True but the new films timeline is an AU so you can disregard itm, comic book fans have been doing this for a long time, look at how many different Batman or superman continuities their are

we've always kind of regarded screen as cannon though....

personally, if it breathes new life into trek (which the film has), i can deal with having to accept enterprise!!

Saruman · 19-05-2009 12:15pm

There is more than one borg queen though. All that was destroyed was a body but the queen itself is part of the collective, or more THE collective.
Destroying a queens body did nothing. Its probably the case that the borg died when she died in First Contact because without her nearby there was no collective. They were too far from Borg space to link directly with the collective.

Remember Hugh? He was the lone borg that was so far from the collective that he could not hear their thoughts so he became an individual, though that in itself goes against what I said as he should not have been able to function.... then again was he not disabled? Perhaps in First contact all that happened was the borg went into a sleep state as they had to revive hugh.

DenMan · 19-05-2009 12:18pm

Probably because humanity was considered unworthy of assimilation at that point in time. The sphere remained frozen and possibly had no need to contact the Borg in the Delta Quadrant so they would wait until humanity had reached a period of technilogical advancement that would merrit their entry into the collective (a la Enterprise).

Let's all ask Berman.

helimachoptor · 19-05-2009 4:18pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

There has been. Voyager's "Blink of an eye" springs to mind.

Well done! He's in a lot of sci-fi stuff too isin't he?

Yep he was in Crusade (a Babylon 5 spin off), Angel , ST Enterprise aswell, outer limits aswell I think

stakey · 19-05-2009 4:28pm

and Lost (Jin), he's Daniel Day Kim.

Ziggy_1972 · 19-05-2009 5:06pm

Although I accept that different planets can have different continents, with different climates, producing aliens with different skin colour, I could never get past Tuvok's classic African looks, the hair, the cheek bones, the nose, the lips.

InisMor · 19-05-2009 5:25pm

Ziggy_1972 wrote: »

....I could never get past Tuvok's classic African looks.....

there's a word for that

Ziggy_1972 · 19-05-2009 5:37pm

That's NOT what I meant!

InisMor · 19-05-2009 6:09pm

Ziggy_1972 wrote: »

That's NOT what I meant!

but it could be taken that way

Ziggy_1972 · 20-05-2009 6:00pm

Fair point, but what I meant was that he was supposed to be an alien, so they should have made more of an effort to make him less Earthish. I'd have the same problem is he had red hair and freckles.
I've spotted Tim Russ as a Klingon in an episode of DS9, and he was totally believeable.

Spon Farmer · 20-05-2009 6:40pm

Ziggy_1972 wrote: »

Fair point, but what I meant was that he was supposed to be an alien, so they should have made more of an effort to make him less Earthish. I'd have the same problem is he had red hair and freckles.
I've spotted Tim Russ as a Klingon in an episode of DS9, and he was totally believeable.

well, most aliens in TREK are Earthish white people

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