Kippure Time Trial

Lumen · 09-04-2009 1:33pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

Can you post the 5 categories and associated times for kippure, so we can all work out our level?

I only have two data points to work with and I'm only guessing that Ryan is the same weight as me, but putting in some huge assumptions, fudge factors and dodgy maths I get:

Untrained: over 17 minutes
Cat 5: under 17 minutes
Cat 4: under 14:51
Cat 3: under 13:00
Cat 2: under 11:25
Cat 1: under 10:15
Exceptional: under 9:22
World class: under 8:39

There is significant overlap between categories, I've chosen the midpoint of each overlap.

Using power/weight means that being heavier doesn't change the time<>category relationship, since a more powerful rider will have more mass to carry up.

Obviously a more powerful rider will win on a flatter TT, but that's a different story.

I have my doubts about my methodology, so please don't judge too harshly!

idrus · 09-04-2009 1:46pm

Lumen, what software are you using? Try WKO+ if you havn't already done so, i think you'll like it. You can download a free trial from www.trainingpeaks.com

petethedrummer · 09-04-2009 5:10pm

Thanks Lumen, I can make do with a rough estimate of my awesome cycling skills. I don't own a cycle computer so all my cycling is done by guess work.

Lumen · 09-04-2009 5:14pm

If someone can persuade Lance to pop up Kippure when he comes for the ToI I can get another data point.

I even promise not to take any hair samples at the summit.

short circuit · 09-04-2009 5:31pm

Lumen wrote: »

If someone can persuade Lance to pop up Kippure when he comes for the ToI I can get another data point.

I even promise not to take any hair samples at the summit.

We will need it plotted out on sportstracks with the start point and stop point marked and the times shown. Also no shortcuts through the grass as some people here did to shave off a few secs.:pac:

Diarmuid · 10-04-2009 7:36am

Ryan/Lumen, what was you average W/kgs for the TT?

Lumen · 10-04-2009 7:39am

3.67W/Kg (253W, 69Kg).

Diarmuid · 10-04-2009 9:29am

Impressive times there esp the sub-11 guys. Hardcore.

short circuit · 11-04-2009 3:15pm

As part of the saturday spin .. I decided to time myself up Kippure ... started off fecking brilliantly ... By 50mts ... The Claw and Hurin were eating my dust ... I was flying ...

Up the slight incline, I started breathing a bit heavily ... slip a couple of cogs lower ... no worries .. keep up the cadence .. Across the bridge .. and I am still on the bike ..

Have a look up .. and the road seems to be going straight up ..it didn't look like this 3 weeks back .. no worries .. still have a couple of cogs to get to the lowest gear. My breathing is losing its rhythm at this stage .. but I tell myself .. its only a couple of switch backs and you are there.

First switchback was coming up pretty quickly. I see a couple walking down ... she was cute ... suck the tummy in ... stop the heavy pervy breathing .. a hi with a smile ... and I have lost 15secs .. crap ... but no heart attack yet ... think positive thoughts.

No worries ... last switch back in sight ... and I can see the bollards .. 100 yards to go ... my pump falls off ... instinct takes over and I stop ... and then I hear a voice in my head ... you big idiot .. it would have been easier to pick it up on the way down ... couldn't get clipped in .. so had to walk the last 100 yards to the bollards ...

16mins in all ... but then I thought .. if I had cycled all the way up .. it would have been 16:30 ..

...

And hence an idea began to form ... 2 bikes ... 1 at the start ... and 1 at the middle flat bit ... cycle to the 1st climb ... run up the incline .. pick up 2nd bike for the flat bit ... and then run up the switchbacks .. I am sure I would have shaved off the 6 mins if I just ran.:)

And oh .. by the way ... while I was in a daze due to lack of oxygen supply to my brain .. The Claw overtook me ... and I only saw him coming down ... unless it was his twin .. or unless he has a time machine. I also saw Emty and a few other coming down ... not going up ... maybe there is something to this time machine theory ....

FrankGrimes · 14-04-2009 12:48am

Gave this a go yesterday during my spin. Took me a whole 16 minutes 40 seconds which thankfully just gets me out of Lumen's Untrained category and into the (relative) face-saving sanctuary of Cat 5

To be honet though, for me this was all about completing, not competing. The body and mind both wanted to jack it in at that same point about 150yards from the bollards where I had to get off last time - it's just so demoralising to look up at that corner and see another climb and corner in front of you. The joy I felt when I crossed those bollards though was a great feeling - made all the better by the sound couple that were watching and waiting for me at the end with a healthy dollop of admiration and kind words which the ego was only too willing to lap up in its vulnerable state. They actually passed me from the opposite way as I was going up the Wicklow Gap and they beeped me and I could see the guy going 'No Way! That's your man from......'.

I reckon there's a bit of time I could make up in the early stages - was definitely riding within myself up the first hill as I was fearful I wouldn't make it in the end. Now I'm thinking no matter what I do in the early parts the last 500m will be hell so I might aswell push early and then regroup just before that bit.

My Garmin is now resting up trying to recover from the shock of dishing out gradient readings of %23 at the end (is that even possible?).

My sincere and utter respect to anyone managing to do that run in under 14 minutes. Impressive stuff.

Lumen · 14-04-2009 8:26am

Frank,

Good effort. Corrected for weight (i.e. if you maintained your power at my weight) you would probably scrape under 13 minutes. Even at 80kg you could do around 14 minutes.

This is just a test of climbing ability which severely disadvantages those who carry around lots of useless muscle.

TinyExplosions · 14-04-2009 8:46am

Lumen wrote: »

This is just a test of climbing ability which severely disadvantages those who carry around lots of useless muscle.

Don't forget fat, I carry around a lot of useless fat too

FrankGrimes · 14-04-2009 12:01pm

I'm 95kg of pure mayhem by the way! Could literally hear gravity trying to bitch slap me back down the hill there towards the end

lafors · 15-04-2009 1:44pm

Well I was off work yesterday and it was a cracking day so I decided to take a drive up to kippure. Weather was great until I got there, drizzling at the bottom, couldn't see the top.
I'll make my excuses first

This was my first trip out since I fractured my big toe about a month ago

Anyway I got to over the bridge and quads started burning....=unfit

Kept going, now in a cloud/pissing rain, couldn't see but that wasn't a problem, the main problem was I couldn't catch my breath. I had to stop

After I got to the bottom I had a look at sportstracker/garmin & realised I was only about 300-400m from the top, gutted to say the least.
I was at 13m17s when I stopped.

I was that annoyed I drove straight back to fairview and did a spin to sutton & back, beautiful weather, was happy with my avg's after the failure on kippure, 28kph out & 34kph back.

Here's a couple of pics, visiblity (looks better on camera?), Me...b*llixed, and NO MOUNTAIN bikes allowed....doesn't say anything about road/hybrids

"I'LL BE BACK"

Lumen · 19-04-2009 6:06pm

13:35, with a 3 hour warm up. It's lovely up here :-)

ROK ON · 19-04-2009 7:17pm

Lumen wrote: »

13:35, with a 3 hour warm up. It's lovely up here :-)

17:28, I am coming up fast on your outside (very very far outside).
Only 4mins and your mine.

The tax man · 19-04-2009 11:51pm

Lumen wrote: »

13:35, with a 3 hour warm up. It's lovely up here :-)

Did I pass you on the Greenhills rd today by any chance?

petethedrummer · 20-04-2009 1:01am

Did Kippure again today. Was totally goosed from football yesterday and as a result added 2 mins to my previous effort. Today's time was 14:45

. Even with all my gears working.

Lumen · 20-04-2009 6:59am

Quite possibly, I went out that direction. Blue jersey, black cap, no helmet.

btw, anyone know what the hill is called that lives somewhere north between Firhouse and Kilbride, that has a golf course next to it? That's a beauty. Butter Mountain?

kenmc · 20-04-2009 8:41am

Lumen wrote: »

btw, anyone know what the hill is called that lives somewhere north between Firhouse and Kilbride, that has a golf course next to it? That's a beauty. Butter Mountain?

That's Boharnabreena I think you're talking about.

Iseran · 20-04-2009 9:17am

The road that goes past the golf course is Ballinascorney lower. If you turn left at the sharp bend at the bottom of the descent it'll take you up Butter mountain.

lukester · 20-04-2009 9:57am

Lumen wrote: »

btw, anyone know what the hill is called that lives somewhere north between Firhouse and Kilbride, that has a golf course next to it? That's a beauty. Butter Mountain?

Pretty sure that's the Embankment..it's a steady gradient, kicks up a bit at the end. Nice road.

kincsem · 12-05-2009 10:56pm

I used the Maymyride satellite picture of the Kippure road and stuck pins in it from the middle of the main road up to near the back wall of the walled car park around the mast. I'm guessing here as I've never been up there.

I didn't do the hill climb, doubt I could do it, and don't plan to do it.

A few gradient charts were posted in the thread.

I thought you might like to see the percentage gradient in 10 metre chunks of road.

Distance Elevation Gradient %
0 519.7 0.0
20 519.7 0.0
30 519.7 0.0
40 519.7 0.0
50 519.7 0.0
60 519.6 -1.0
70 519.6 0.0
80 519.6 0.0
90 519.6 0.0
106 519.6 0.0
115 519.6 0.0
124 519.6 0.0
134 519.7 1.0
143 519.7 0.0
152 519.8 1.1
162 519.9 1.0
171 519.9 0.0
180 519.9 0.0
191 519.9 0.0
201 519.9 0.0
211 519.9 0.0
221 520.0 1.0
230 520.0 0.0
240 520.0 0.0
250 520.0 0.0
260 520.0 0.0
276 520.0 0.0
285 520.1 1.1
294 520.2 1.1
304 520.3 1.0
313 520.3 0.0
323 520.4 1.0
332 520.4 0.0
342 520.4 0.0
351 520.5 1.1
360 520.4 -1.1
376 520.5 0.6
385 520.5 0.0
395 520.6 1.0
404 520.6 0.0
413 520.7 1.1
422 520.8 1.1
432 520.9 1.0
441 521.0 1.1
450 521.1 1.1
465 521.2 0.7
474 521.4 2.2
483 521.5 1.1
492 521.7 2.2
501 521.9 2.2
515 522.2 2.1
523 522.4 2.5
530 522.7 4.3
540 522.9 2.0
550 523.2 3.0
568 523.4 1.1
576 523.7 3.8
585 524.0 3.3
593 524.3 3.7
601 524.7 5.0
618 525.3 3.5
627 525.7 4.4
636 526.1 4.4
645 526.5 4.4
654 526.9 4.4
662 527.4 6.3
671 527.9 5.6
680 528.4 5.6
699 528.9 2.6
707 529.4 6.3
716 530.0 6.7
725 530.6 6.7
734 531.4 8.9
742 531.9 6.3
751 532.4 5.6
768 533.5 6.5
777 534.1 6.7
786 534.8 7.8
794 535.4 7.5
803 536.1 7.8
812 536.8 7.8
820 537.5 8.8
831 538.2 6.4
840 538.8 6.7
850 539.7 9.0
865 540.4 4.7
872 541.1 10.0
884 541.9 6.7
892 542.6 8.8
906 543.4 5.7
915 544.2 8.9
923 545.0 10.0
931 545.8 10.0
945 546.5 5.0
954 547.3 8.9
962 548.1 10.0
971 548.9 8.9
985 549.7 5.7
994 550.6 10.0
1003 551.5 10.0
1012 552.3 8.9
1021 553.3 11.1
1030 554.6 14.4
1040 555.5 9.0
1050 556.5 10.0
1060 557.5 10.0
1070 558.6 11.0
1085 559.7 7.3
1093 560.7 12.5
1102 561.8 12.2
1111 562.7 10.0
1120 563.7 11.1
1132 564.9 10.0
1141 565.9 11.1
1150 566.9 11.1
1161 567.9 9.1
1171 568.8 9.0
1180 569.7 10.0
1191 570.6 8.2
1201 571.6 10.0
1210 572.4 8.9
1220 573.2 8.0
1235 574.1 6.0
1244 575.0 10.0
1252 576.1 13.8
1261 576.9 8.9
1274 578.0 8.5
1282 578.8 10.0
1291 579.5 7.8
1305 580.1 4.3
1312 580.7 8.6
1324 581.3 5.0
1333 581.9 6.7
1342 582.4 5.6
1351 583.0 6.7
1360 583.5 5.6
1373 584.0 3.8
1381 584.6 7.5
1395 585.2 4.3
1404 585.7 5.6
1413 586.2 5.6
1422 586.6 4.4
1432 587.1 5.0
1441 587.5 4.4
1450 587.9 4.4
1463 588.3 3.1
1472 588.7 4.4
1482 589.0 3.0
1492 589.4 4.0
1501 589.7 3.3
1511 590.0 3.0
1520 590.4 4.4
1538 590.8 2.2
1547 591.2 4.4
1556 591.5 3.3
1565 591.9 4.4
1574 592.2 3.3
1583 592.5 3.3
1592 592.9 4.4
1601 593.2 3.3
1610 593.5 3.3
1622 593.8 2.5
1632 594.1 3.0
1642 594.5 4.0
1651 594.8 3.3
1661 595.1 3.0
1671 595.3 2.0
1680 595.6 3.3
1696 595.8 1.2
1706 596.0 2.0
1715 596.2 2.2
1724 596.4 2.2
1733 596.6 2.2
1742 596.7 1.1
1751 596.9 2.2
1760 597.1 2.2
1773 597.3 1.5
1782 597.6 3.3
1792 597.8 2.0
1801 598.0 2.2
1810 598.3 3.3
1827 598.5 1.2
1836 598.7 2.2
1845 598.9 2.2
1854 599.0 1.1
1863 599.2 2.2
1872 599.3 1.1
1882 599.4 1.0
1891 599.5 1.1
1906 599.7 1.3
1915 599.8 1.1
1924 599.9 1.1
1933 600.1 2.2
1942 600.3 2.2
1951 600.5 2.2
1960 600.7 2.2
1971 601.0 2.7
1981 601.3 3.0
1990 601.6 3.3
2000 602.0 4.0
2011 602.6 5.5
2020 603.1 5.6
2032 603.5 3.3
2040 604.0 6.3
2052 604.4 3.3
2061 604.8 4.4
2074 605.2 3.1
2082 605.6 5.0
2091 606.0 4.4
2103 606.5 4.2
2112 606.9 4.4
2127 607.4 3.3
2135 608.0 7.5
2143 608.6 7.5
2152 609.2 6.7
2167 609.9 4.7
2174 610.6 10.0
2181 611.3 10.0
2194 612.4 8.5
2204 613.1 7.0
2213 613.8 7.8
2223 614.5 7.0
2232 615.2 7.8
2242 616.2 10.0
2251 616.9 7.8
2261 617.5 6.0
2270 618.2 7.8
2281 618.9 6.4
2291 619.7 8.0
2301 620.6 9.0
2311 621.3 7.0
2321 622.0 7.0
2330 622.8 8.9
2340 623.5 7.0
2350 624.4 9.0
2361 625.5 10.0
2371 626.3 8.0
2381 627.2 9.0
2390 628.1 10.0
2400 629.0 9.0
2410 630.1 11.0
2420 631.0 9.0
2432 631.8 6.7
2442 632.7 9.0
2451 633.6 10.0
2460 634.5 10.0
2472 635.7 10.0
2481 636.6 10.0
2491 637.5 9.0
2503 638.5 8.3
2517 639.5 7.1
2524 640.7 17.1
2531 641.6 12.9
2542 642.5 8.2
2551 643.4 10.0
2561 644.3 9.0
2570 645.4 12.2
2581 646.7 11.8
2590 647.8 12.2
2606 648.8 6.3
2612 649.9 18.3
2624 651.1 10.0
2638 652.3 8.6
2647 654.1 20.0
2656 655.2 12.2
2665 656.2 11.1
2674 657.3 12.2
2682 658.3 12.5
2691 659.4 12.2
2708 660.7 7.6
2717 661.8 12.2
2726 662.8 11.1
2735 663.8 11.1
2744 665.0 13.3
2752 666.1 13.8
2761 667.1 11.1
2770 668.1 11.1
2781 669.2 10.0
2791 670.2 10.0
2801 671.3 11.0
2811 672.5 12.0
2820 673.6 12.2
2830 674.7 11.0
2847 675.9 7.1
2855 677.0 13.8
2864 678.1 12.2
2873 679.1 11.1
2882 680.2 12.2
2890 681.2 12.5
2902 682.1 7.5
2911 683.2 12.2
2921 684.7 15.0
2930 685.7 11.1
2942 686.7 8.3
2951 687.7 11.1
2968 688.7 5.9
2977 689.6 10.0
2986 690.4 8.9
2994 691.4 12.5
3003 692.3 10.0
3012 693.3 11.1
3020 694.4 13.8
3031 695.4 9.1
3041 696.5 11.0
3055 698.0 10.7
3064 699.2 13.3
3072 700.3 13.7
3081 701.4 12.2
3092 702.5 10.0
3101 703.7 13.3
3116 705.9 14.7
3123 707.0 15.7
3131 708.0 12.5
3141 708.9 9.0
3155 709.7 5.7
3161 710.3 10.0
3171 711.3 10.0
3180 712.0 7.8
3192 712.4 3.3
3201 713.4 11.1
3213 714.5 9.2
3221 715.6 13.8
3235 716.7 7.9
3242 717.7 14.3
3255 718.9 9.2
3261 720.0 18.3
3270 721.2 13.3
3282 723.0 15.0
3294 724.1 9.2
3301 725.1 14.3
3312 726.1 9.1
3324 727.0 7.5
3334 727.9 9.0
3340 728.8 15.0
3351 729.6 7.3
3360 730.3 7.8
3370 730.7 4.0
3380 731.3 6.0
3390 731.8 5.0
3400 732.4 6.0
3412 733.0 5.0
3424 733.8 6.7
3432 735.5 21.3
3447 736.3 5.3
3455 737.0 8.8
3462 737.5 7.1
3476 738.0 3.6
3482 738.5 8.3
3493 738.9 3.6
3500 739.4 7.1
3511 740.0 5.5
3520 740.4 4.4
3531 740.8 3.6
3544 741.1 2.3
3552 741.3 2.5
3563 741.5 1.8
3576 741.7 1.5
3583 742.0 4.3
3591 742.3 3.7

kenmc · 13-05-2009 9:06am

Longest. Post. Ever.

13-05-2009 9:11am

kenmc wrote: »

Longest. Post. Ever.

Yeah, I was wondering why it was taking so long to load this page on my phone.

Raam · 13-05-2009 9:13am

I remember this TT like it was yesterday. Meter 3432 was a total bitch.

petethedrummer · 13-05-2009 12:02pm

Just wondering out loud. I know you can't draw many conclusions on a starting field of 16 people. But the three lads who came first were over 6ft tall. Now I know its all about power to weight ratio. Still, aren't the best climbers usually under 5'10? Are there any Colombians on boards?

Raam · 13-05-2009 12:04pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

the three lads who came first were over 6ft tall.

6ft of awesomeness!

Sorry, I'm finished now.

petethedrummer · 13-05-2009 12:12pm

Raam wrote: »

6ft of awesomeness!

Sorry, I'm finished now.

Ah shuutup. I'm still waiting on the sprint challenge. Empty (FLAT) road. Head to head. Quarters, semis, final.

Raam · 13-05-2009 12:16pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

Ah shuutup. I'm still waiting on the sprint challenge. Empty (FLAT) road. Head to head. Quarters, semis, final.

Need a flat TT rather than head to head sprints, although they could be fun too. Saw it happening when over in Canada once. It's just like the track. Everyone crawls for the first 200 meters, then blasts it for the last third. They did it on a pan flat strip.

Kippure Time Trial

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