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Building a Vietnam Loadout

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    US Air Cav FTW :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    what type of us loadout? airborne, marines, seals, sog ? loadout will dictate your options in terms of aeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Puding wrote: »
    what type of us loadout? airborne, marines, seals, sog ? loadout will dictate your options in terms of aeg

    For me? US Air Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division in II Corps. A lá....

    duvall2.jpg

    What a legend :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=WGC-AEG-M16VN_srch_VN

    Thats the AEG im looking at, G&P, so its going to be reliable for me, and it looks authentic to the original.

    For me the important thing is the AEG because i will be skirmishing this loadout, regularly, so i will go with a unit/clothing that suits.

    I was looking at basic air cav, the OD clothing etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    same as i have, very nice bit of kit, i got mine from airsoftglobal over Christmas during there sale http://airsoftglobal.com/product_info.php?products_id=5547, internals are nice quality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    http://www.fire-support.co.uk/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=290

    that tempting me aswell.

    I am looking at the m16, and both seem accurate to the original used in the war. However, TM have plastic bodies, and id kinda like a full metal one :/

    Well ladies throw me some opinions

    Puding if your looking to sell of that m16 even ;)

    Price wise is also important to me. I have heard sterling reports from firesupport, 20 pound delivery with you in two days, and being tm it will be under 1 joule. I think thats what im going with. Price wise its 200 euro delivered from what i read, an awesome gun. The VN mags are not that expensive.

    I'm itching to clear my credit card and get ordering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Bear in mind that VC frequently used stolen US weapons, so it is not unusual to have seen M16s, M60s, and M870 trench-guns being used by the VC. NVA obviously used their own stuff.

    Mix in WW2 stuff as well; BAR, Grease Gun, Thompson, Lee Enfield, Nagant, etc. and you've quite a ready mix for both VC and US SOG. SOG units (Green Berets, LRRP, SEAL, etc.) would also mix AKs so there's no real restriction on your AEG when you get down to it, unless you're planning on a very specific load-out, e.g. NVA, Marines, Infantry, AirCav.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Ihave settled on an M16. I'm a big of a fanboi, so ill actually go get a unit loadout to taylor around the gun :)

    Its looking like a TM M16VN, but straight away upgrading the body to a G&P ful metal vietnam body and the whole front end with a G&P metal front grip etc.

    I rang firesupport who were extremely helpful. Their delivery price is phenomonal.

    THey do a TM m16VN, which is accurate enough to the details of the era, for 209 euro delivered and you get it in two days. I was settled on that for sure, but when i rang them the guy said about upgrading the body and front end to G&P metal ones. This cmae to a total of 400 euro delviered which i was about to jump on.

    Then I remembered I work in an Eirsoft shop and our suppliers can get me that **** :P

    I'm really looking foward to it now. Just need to clear this credit card and im on my way.

    Its actually cool to see other people with the same interest. Normal skirmishes have me in utter bordeom now, and I can see myself making the effort to go abroad for Namsoft.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Dont suppose you'd like to donate a gun to a broke, 'Nam-loving student airsofter would ya? :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Looks like I may have to go with the same rifle Doc, only without the metal body :o The plastic body isn't that bad is it? On the other hand, anyone have any experience with WGC a lá postage costs, etc.?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Wany my advice

    go with fire support.

    They can get it in for you 210 euro delivered, with you in 2 days from purchase. And because its TM it comes in under the limit.

    Its a plastic body but I've been told TM bodies are solid enough, and as Dex told me, TM invented airsoft, so you have got some solid internals.

    Theres nothing wrong with going TM to start and down the line save up for the metal parts.

    Or you could just go G&P from the off and get their fully metal m16 VN, which is accurate to the bone to the original.

    However this needs to get ordered from the likes of redwolf or wgc, and it will cost you minimum €400 to your door, and you will probably have to get it downgraded.

    I'd go TM and just save for the metal parts.

    Remember youve to invest alot into clothing aswell, so save money where you can

    Granted solider of fortune has some good vietnam kit

    I'm looking at getting my webbing of them, and hopefully i can get my camo from america for cheaper, have to see what happens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Yeah it's looking that way at the moment... just looked at my wallet and I have a grand total of €0 in there so... yeah. I know TM have good quality internals but I'd be worried about the body taking the abuse of a skirmish. Probably worrying over nothing tho being a noob :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Actually I was just looking at the CA M16VN... full metal body and all that, for less than 300. Are CA's really that bad?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    I wouldnt touch them with a bargepole

    A TM would be better

    A TM with G&P body and front end is best.

    I looked at pudings link to a namsoft site, and tbh most of them are tlaking ****e when they say Ca are good.

    Also note the posts are over a year old, when CA was respectable.

    Safe to say we sold a CA m16VN a few months back and it sheered its gears first time out.

    I just will not touch them, too risky for the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    So....... TM FTW :D Can they be upgraded to the 328 mark though? Most reviews have them at about 275 average like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    its 50/50 on the ca m16 vn, if you get an older stock version before ca started going down hill you could get a very nice piece, my father is currently using a ca m16vn +50,000 without issue, ca old stock good, ca post sportsline bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Puding wrote: »
    its 50/50 on the ca m16 vn, if you get an older stock version before ca started going down hill you could get a very nice piece, my father is currently using a ca m16vn +50,000 without issue, ca old stock good, ca post sportsline bad

    I think although every word is spot on, that arguement is now becoming redundant.

    If you want a reliable CA internal, you need to look over 12 month back. So your buying second hand, granted you've a rifle thats over 12 months old with hundreds of thusands of rounds through it, its about the time a rifle normally starts to show some general wear and tear.

    So its a completely lose lose situation.

    I'd recommend the TM M16, then down the line slap on a G&P body and front end. These two parts alone your looking at about 250 euro. TM gun for 200 delivered is a bargain price though and will do fine for ages, until you get your basic kit together. Then when you have the dosh to splash, get yourself the G&P parts and swop em out.

    Or go G&P from sratch. Thats the only options i believe viable, from the m16Vn perspective.

    The JG m16 although performs well, is horrible inaccurate looks wise to the original m16 used in nam.

    You can also look at alternatives such as the m14, or the xm carbine, which is an old version of a modern m4a1 carbine. It entised me, but i decided early on i was going m16.

    I've scowered the web for webbing, solider of fortune seems to have the most competitive price and quality kit. The webbing with mag pouches and arse pocket 70 euro...cant go wrong there.

    The camo is awfully expensive for what is essentially just OD BDU. Looking at anywhere bwtween 60-100 euro for a set.

    Boots accurate to the era are 30 euro

    You can decide wether to go helmet, boonie or bandana. The helmet would be ideal, but you need to consider how bad will it make your eyewear fog. I might get all three and see what happens.

    Thats really it. Gun is the essential part, and most expensive, you need something reliable and that works.

    After that your webbing. Soldier of fotune has a nice webset like i said that should be fine

    Camo, decide tigerstripe or od. Then have a look at different types, and get yourself sorted ( most come with patches like air cav or 101st). Should be ntoed tigerstripe was used strictly by asian advisors to the us army in the early stages of Vietnam. It was some time before some us troops started wearing it.

    Boots, not essential to be accurate, but helps.

    Then you can go get your patches insignias ranks etc, whatever you see fit.

    Then we need to save up...to go to uk to play proper namsoft :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Doc you're a mine of info :cool:

    So I was thinking about a budget student 'Nam loadout, just want your opinions:
    • I have OD BDU pants and an OD M65 jacket already - would these work? As in, was the M65 actually used in Vietnam by Air Cav / Air Mobile troops?
    • I have an M1 helmet, which is WWII original, but that won't matter cos they didn't change really... just need to find a mitchell-leaf cover.
    • And that just leaves weapon + webbing + insignia which = roughly about 300 all told.

    So would this work? I know I just took the BDUs out of the equation but hey, every little helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    If you are jsut using it for skirmishing then yeah

    The "vietnam" themed events ive been to in ireland have had people with g36c's so atleeast your making an effort.

    That sounds like you have some of the basics. Webbing is the next thing for you and then your gun. Easy peasy.

    Only pickity anal people would ever approach you, and pull you up on your gear for being innacurate etc, and you tell them people to **** off.

    Essentially once you have OD camo, but put some effort into the webbing, era weaponry and patches etc, youll be grand

    O and for the love of god, dont forget VN m16 mags, they didnt have the big ass mags until later on in the war, for the most part was 20 round short mags ( that troops only loaded 19 into , due to severe firing issues when the mag was at full capacity)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    O and for the love of god, dont forget VN m16 mags, they didnt have the big ass mags until later on in the war, for the most part was 20 round short mags ( that troops only loaded 19 into , due to severe firing issues when the mag was at full capacity)

    Don't have to tell me that buddy. My only gripe with the masterpiece that is Apocalypse Now was that everyone had 30 round mags - set in 1968! :eek: Apparently they used Philippines army rifles and they only had 30 round mags and birdcage flash-hiders, so, due to budget limitations.... mid-70's era M16s :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    yeah haha

    For anyone looking for films to source info on kit

    I find We Were Soldiers is the best.

    It depicts the first engagement between us and nvw forces.

    Films like platoon usualy show units in absolute rag order, 2-3 years into service, where their kits have been highly customised.

    We Were Soldiers clearly shows what the first unit deployments used and their standard loadouts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    One thing lads ... M1956 webbing. Be careful of what length you order. You don't want to order a "small" when you're 5'10 and above ... (wouldn't want to order a medium at that height as it stands).

    SOF may seem expensive, but it's cheaper than sourcing it from the US through EBay - which may be original, but jesus is it difficult to get full sets or sets in any sort of decent condition. And "long" H harnesses would appear extremely difficult to get. Granted I got mine off ebay and was incredibly fortunate in whom I dealt with as well. I actually lost the auction, but mailed them to say if the buyer backed out I was interested. Lo and behold she had another 'long' set which she sold me via private auction.

    Michell-leaf covers can be picked up on ebay for < $25 last time I looked which was a while ago admittedly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Films like platoon usualy show units in absolute rag order, 2-3 years into service, where their kits have been highly customised.

    We Were Soldiers clearly shows what the first unit deployments used and their standard loadouts.

    Yeah but I want to go for the battle-hardened, customized look myself. Way cooler. I thought the guys in We Were Soldiers looked a little too much like pristine GI Joe action figures :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Yeah but I want to go for the battle-hardened, customized look myself. Way cooler. I thought the guys in We Were Soldiers looked a little too much like pristine GI Joe action figures :D

    I took inspiration for my infantry look from a couple of different films (take your pick); Platoon, Full Metal Jacket (mostly since I have an M60 and Animal-Mother has some hillarious lines), Hamburger Hill, & We were soldiers.

    My SOG inspiration is taken from a genuine photograph (captured in colour). If I can find it I'll post it here. It's a SEAL kneeling behind a bush holding a Stoner 63 LMG (camera is behind him and off to one side) in close proximity to the enemy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Mine will hopefully be as close as possible to the "Apocalypse Now" Air Cav troopers- but with an M65 jacket instead of a shirt, for the practicalities of Irish weather. F*ck me I love that movie.

    Cheers for the tip about the harness Lemming btw. I'm 5'11"!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭José Alaninho


    Lemming wrote: »
    I](mostly since I have an M60 and Animal-Mother has some hillarious lines)[/I]

    I would almost pay to see that on a skirmish field: charging up the centre, M60 in one hand, ammo-belt in the other, roaring your head off. I can imagine Hande Hoche Charlie running scared right now! :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    this picture lemming ?

    P1010004Large.jpg

    know if only g&p would hurry up and release there stoner :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    I would almost pay to see that on a skirmish field: charging up the centre, M60 in one hand, ammo-belt in the other, roaring your head off. I can imagine Hande Hoche Charlie running scared right now! :cool:

    You mean something like this :D

    1387434071_c08e2a7b2a.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭Renius


    This is ace! I never realised so many people where interested in Vietnam Load outs! My plans where for pretty much what the soldier in Pudding's pic is wearing as in the Tiger stripe load out with the bandanna! As for gun i LOVE the M16 and so will go for the TM M16 and like Doc said, save up for the G and P metal body. The TM should take a decent amount of strain before it starts to wear and tear so that should keep me happy till then! Can't believe some people went to a Vietnam event with G36c's :rolleyes::D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Now if there is ever a need to run away from strategically withdraw from one person I think thats your man:D


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