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Krav Maga

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Millionaire


    probably the best way to defend against a head butt , is too not let it happen in the first place!! I do not intend to be righteous in saying that...i have received a headbutt myself in the past and it is none too nice.

    what I mean is not to let anyone get close enough to give you one in the first place. most of the time if someone is going to attached you, there will be some sort of ritual before the attack. be in shouting, pushing, dirty looks, an "interview" etc. train yourself to recognise this, and always have your "fence" in place so none one can get into that close attack range.

    I accept that if drink is taken in quanity it is hard to remember to do this. otherwise never let anyone strange into range.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 316 ✭✭Michelangelo


    Originally posted by Millionaire
    probably the best way to defend against a head butt , is too not let it happen in the first place!! I do not intend to be righteous in saying that...i have received a headbutt myself in the past and it is none too nice.

    what I mean is not to let anyone get close enough to give you one in the first place. most of the time if someone is going to attached you, there will be some sort of ritual before the attack. be in shouting, pushing, dirty looks, an "interview" etc. train yourself to recognise this, and always have your "fence" in place so none one can get into that close attack range.

    I accept that if drink is taken in quanity it is hard to remember to do this. otherwise never let anyone strange into range.

    Your spot on there. If i wasnt drunk last night, i would have done this. But unfortunately, it affected my thinking and all these signals occured and bam i got a headbutt right in the lip. Drink is a bloody curse actually.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭Musashi


    Awareness first and foremost! Let no-one in to striking range,never mind head butt range when they've started "shaping" for a fight.Most people need a bit of verbal and pushy-pushy before they're wound up enough to fight.Recognise the signs and nip it in the bud! Keep your fence up so you can go to a guard or offense more easily.
    If the head is thrown side slip it or (not ideal) backpedal out of range.Worst case drop your chin to chest and take it on the ridge of your forehead, strongest bony structure in the body.You will be hurt/cut but a broken nose or smashed cheekbones are worse!Keep them out side your range and use elbows to block if they try to "crash" your guard. Hope this helps.
    Keep up your TKD Dudara but explore other ranges/styles too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭Cake Fiend


    Millionaire and Musashi have hit it on the noggin there (groan-tastic pun absolutely intended) - a headbutt is a nasty attack, and hard to see coming, never mind to block.

    Funnily enough, this is one of the first things acknowledged in KM - you're trained never to let your hands down and not to let anyone within too close a range of you. Any stranger who is close enough to you to headbutt you has no business whatsoever being there. You need to either move yourself so that you're out of that range, or move THEM out of that range.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 Danilo


    Does anyone know if Krav classes or any Reality Based classes are available in the South?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭woody


    Patrick Cumiskeys Classes are Spot on and Real World... I have done Krav in Israel with the IDF and he is by far one of the best instructors around....

    To me it is a practical sensible and easly learned form of self defence, unarmed combat compared to a martial art but if you get very proficient in this believe me anything thrown your way you can well and truly deal with it.

    I think he is doing seminars around Ireland, he is currently helping to train the ARW in the Curragh maybe has finished may be an Idea to give him a buzz


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Originally posted by dudara

    There is no real defence against a headbutt except for ducking backwards

    Does anyone know an efficient block against a headbutt?

    What a bold statement that underlining makes, and then to follow up with a question :confused:

    One technique is hard, but it can be effictive and works..

    Obviously you must see the headbutt coming, raise both hands up, and place thumbs on his forehead, palms slightly on face, covering ears.

    Let left hand slip down near jaw, twist hands.. IF they dont want their neck broke, they'll turn their head and go off balance, a simple little reap then will sort it out.

    Of course this sounds like total BS on paper, but when you see it working, and it takes practise, its effictive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 vazo


    There is a new KRAV-MAGA course on 19 of may,teached by former anti-terrorist.
    The course takes 5 days,daily 3-4 hours!!!
    Limited places,book now!
    Zoltan 087-2284474


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭cletus


    Firstly, welcome to boards.ie.

    Secondly, you just replied to a thread that is 4 years old. you would probably be better off starting a new thread

    Anyway, enjoy your stay


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    vazo wrote: »
    teached by former anti-terrorist.
    Zoltan 087-2284474

    Does that mean Zoltan is pro-terrorist now?.

    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭April Raine


    Your spot on there. If i wasnt drunk last night, i would have done this. But unfortunately, it affected my thinking and all these signals occured and bam i got a headbutt right in the lip. Drink is a bloody curse actually.
    I do not know how effective this is but in kung fu we we were taught to defend a headbutt by dropping the head down so he butts the top of your head. I would like opinions on this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭shakin


    im doin the 2 day course next week in kravmaga anyone else goin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,003 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    I'm considering going, just trying to decide between the one this weekend or the one in Galway at the end of March! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    shakin wrote: »
    im doin the 2 day course next week in kravmaga anyone else goin?


    How much is that costing?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,003 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Mairt wrote: »
    How much is that costing?.

    €195 if you book in the next few days ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    €195 if you book in the next few days ;)


    Sweet Jesus.

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,003 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Mairt wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus.

    .

    That's half price :D:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭shakin


    That's half price :D:P

    hey did ya go? im heading in march to dublin instead


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    jkennedy wrote: »
    As a full time student of Krav Maga in Dublin, allow me to clarify the situation as best i can.
    First of all, Krav Maga is indeed taught by Patrick Cumiskey who is the only Krav Maga instructor in the country, having be personally trained and awarded his instructors qualification under Eyal Yanilof of Israel.
    i originally did a 12 week induction course which included an extra 4 hour FAST Defence training and two full days training with Jim Wagner. Make no mistake, the training is quite effective, techniques are easily learned and retained, Caters for people who have previous martial arts background but also those with none, if anything those with a background in traditional martial arts are at a disadvantage in that the entire mindset must be changed. Student are taught to be 'prepared for the unprepared'. The first thing that is discussed is that fighting (as in street altercations etc) is bad news and try to avoid it at all costs where possible. Krava Maga is something which should be used only where there is no option of walking away or when you have been involved in an unprovoked attack. Many techniques are even discussed to avoid fights in the first place.
    The course covered many topics such as basic punches, kicks, blocks on to defence from attacks with sticks knives and other weapons, attacks from for than one person and adrenilin stress management. Class sizes are kept to a minimum of 20 people which gives you almost personal tuition.
    The course was expensive and at the start i did think it was a lot of money for 12 weeks, however there was an extra 4 hour class on FAST Defence plus the training with Jim Wagner.
    Fast Defence was all about adrenilin stress mgt, to put it bluntly the guy who runs this along with Dave Shorter (Master Instructor in Krav Maga UK) came over, dressed up in all this gear (along with Patrick), like the stuff they wear in American Football and ran one on one fights with students. When i say fights you would face one of these guys in the middle of the floor, they would verbally assault you first, then try to attack you. OK they would'nt punch or kick but they would try and pin you down, give a few hard slaps, the student can (and must) respond with immediate force as soon as the fights starts and keep going until they are on the ground. Because they are protected we can punch (altough palm shots are preferable) Knee to the groin, throw, kick etc.
    Its about the closesthing to a real fight without getting seriously hurt! What the exercise showed me was that once the **** hits the fan and your in the thick of it any ideas of doing flying kicks in the air or Steven Segal stuff goes out the window in 5 seconds- thats the adrenilin flowing through the body. For me this was definitley one of the highlights of the course. We havent trained in the dark - yet! but we did an exercise that night where we were attacked with our eyes closed and had to battle our way out! Check out fastdefense.com for more info.
    As for Jim Wagner, what can i say, ifyou have heared of this guy then you know what hes made of, probably one of the best reality-based instructor i have heared of, not to mention his personal CV. As a former solider, cop, Swat team officer, sky marshal, bodyguard, jailor his experience his incredible. He took us for a crime survival course, a mixture of both practice and theory, training and many exercises. Not many places in Ireland that can boast this guy on the course manual!
    For more info see www.jimwagnertraining.com
    So was money well spent, yes i honestly think it was and i know Patrick is bringing Eyal over at some pont in the near future for a session or two, should be interesting.
    Hope this clears up the air about Krav Maga!
    WWW.kravmagaireland.ie


    :cool:
    " Its about the closesthing to a real fight without getting seriously hurt! " Ever hear of Mixed Martial Arts ??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    Lemming wrote: »
    As mentioned elsewhere by someone else, I consider Krava Maga to be something of a fashionable fad, much like Karate was in the mid 1980s with the 'Karate Kid' films doing the rounds.
    Totally agreed. From what I can see, it's packaged to guys wear a white collar and have a bit of dosh and don't want to go thru the weekly rigours of training but want to learn a ' deadly ' all conquering martial art without the blood, sweat and tears. Sadly KM seems to be succeding in attracting these kind of people. A good little earner if your teaching, and that's it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18 Coconutty


    Say you trained for 12 weeks and you don't train for 5 years after that. You get attacked 5 years later. How effective is it? How effective is anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,003 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    shakin wrote: »
    hey did ya go? im heading in march to dublin instead
    Nope I didn't! Bit short notice to organise, thinking of doing the same (Dublin in March):rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    O'Leprosy wrote: »
    Totally agreed. From what I can see, it's packaged to guys wear a white collar and have a bit of dosh and don't want to go thru the weekly rigours of training but want to learn a ' deadly ' all conquering martial art without the blood, sweat and tears. Sadly KM seems to be succeding in attracting these kind of people. A good little earner if your teaching, and that's it.

    I'm sorry but that's the kind of uneducated stuff that gets bandied about by people who don't know what they're talking about all the time.

    I've been training in krav for over a year. Training is HARD as hell. I get hurt at training.

    When I was home in Ireland from oz for the last 6 weeks I trained with a guy called Robert Brednaski, who runs a KM club out of the John Bosco club in Drimnagh.
    They train hard. I never felt the need in previous martial arts to wear a helmet, gumshields, ballguard and shinpads for every single class. Sparring isn't much short of full contact, and his students walk out of there exhausted.

    The last night I was there I was fighting 9 people one ofter the other (for very short but exhausting bursts) while the rest of the group were throwing punches and slaps at me. I thought I was going to die. It's full contact, it hurts and it's as realistic as you'll get.

    I challenge anyone who thinks it's a group of yuppies prancing about to contact Robert and see what's on offer. His first class is free.

    You'll find his website at www.kravmagagroup.ie

    EDIT: In fairness, I'll be the first to admit that there's people over charging and making overexaggerated claims about short courses. But mostly these are cowboys who aren't members of the IKMF. "combat" krav maga and "urban" krav maga" and anything else that calls itself something other than plain and simple "krav maga" is done to avoid to avoid accreditation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,003 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    tallaght01 wrote: »
    When I was home in Ireland from oz for the last 6 weeks I trained with a guy called Robert Brednaski, who runs a KM club out of the John Bosco club in Drimnagh.
    They train hard. I never felt the need in previous martial arts to wear a helmet, gumshields, ballguard and shinpads for every single class. Sparring isn't much short of full contact, and his students walk out of there exhausted.

    The last night I was there I was fighting 9 people one ofter the other (for very short but exhausting bursts) while the rest of the group were throwing punches and slaps at me. I thought I was going to die. It's full contact, it hurts and it's as realistic as you'll get.

    I challenge anyone who thinks it's a group of yuppies prancing about to contact Robert and see what's on offer. His first class is free.

    You'll find his website at www.kravmagagroup.ie

    This is more the kind of thing I was looking for to be honest, however there seems to be nowhere outside of Dublin that does ongoing training :( I'm waaaaayyy up North! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    tallaght01 wrote: »
    The last night I was there I was fighting 9 people one ofter the other (for very short but exhausting bursts) while the rest of the group were throwing punches and slaps at me. I thought I was going to die. It's full contact, it hurts and it's as realistic as you'll get.



    You'll find his website at www.kravmagagroup.ie




    I suspose its better than..

    tallaght01 wrote: »
    EDIT: In fairness, I'll be the first to admit that there's people over charging and making overexaggerated claims about short courses. But mostly these are cowboys who aren't members of the IKMF. "combat" krav maga and "urban" krav maga" and anything else that calls itself something other than plain and simple "krav maga" is done to avoid to avoid accreditation.


    This crap?..



    :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    Aw come on, these guys were on their 2nd or 3rd lesson right at the beginning of the cycle.

    I remember what i was doing on my 2nd or 3rd kenpo lesson. If someone posted a video of that and used it as some kind of evidence that kenpo is crap, then you'd think that was a dumb progression of logic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Is the guy in the second video teach an X-block defence against a knife? That's great stuff I haven't seen it taught in years. They should call it "how to get stabbed but look fancy doing it".

    I'm amazed at these courses I really am. A friend of mine did one with a fairly notorious Dublin school and he's a real skeptic. What he said was that he had a great time, that there was a really good atmosphere at it but that guy kept repeating himself with certain phrases. When he got home he just felt like he'd been at a bible group (his words).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Roper wrote: »
    Is the guy in the second video teach an X-block defence against a knife? That's great stuff I haven't seen it taught in years. They should call it "how to get stabbed but look fancy doing it".

    I'm amazed at these courses I really am. A friend of mine did one with a fairly notorious Dublin school and he's a real skeptic. What he said was that he had a great time, that there was a really good atmosphere at it but that guy kept repeating himself with certain phrases. When he got home he just felt like he'd been at a bible group (his words).

    Most people who do these courses forget everything straight after then anyway, 1 hour a week for 8 weeks wont teach you complicated defenses!

    you would be better off learning simpler attacks such as Punching or defensive moves such as dodging and escaping..

    these fancy moves wont work in a real situation against someone intent on hurting you..

    if it was 10 euro a class i'd say fair enough, do it for a year and you might learn stuff, but knowing krav maga its probably 300 for the 8 weeks or even more! :eek: thats a lot of poke for learning very little usefull stuff.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Mairt wrote: »
    tallaght01 wrote: »


    lolol. thats freakin hilarious! That first video reminds me of the good ole days of primary school, when after watching no retreat no surrender 2, we'd have a royal rumble match followed by a quick came of tip the can...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭IFS.NI


    tallaght01 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but that's the kind of uneducated stuff that gets bandied about by people who don't know what they're talking about all the time.

    I've been training in krav for over a year. Training is HARD as hell. I get hurt at training.

    When I was home in Ireland from oz for the last 6 weeks I trained with a guy called Robert Brednaski, who runs a KM club out of the John Bosco club in Drimnagh.
    They train hard. I never felt the need in previous martial arts to wear a helmet, gumshields, ballguard and shinpads for every single class. Sparring isn't much short of full contact, and his students walk out of there exhausted.

    The last night I was there I was fighting 9 people one ofter the other (for very short but exhausting bursts) while the rest of the group were throwing punches and slaps at me. I thought I was going to die. It's full contact, it hurts and it's as realistic as you'll get.

    I challenge anyone who thinks it's a group of yuppies prancing about to contact Robert and see what's on offer. His first class is free.

    You'll find his website at www.kravmagagroup.ie

    EDIT: In fairness, I'll be the first to admit that there's people over charging and making overexaggerated claims about short courses. But mostly these are cowboys who aren't members of the IKMF. "combat" krav maga and "urban" krav maga" and anything else that calls itself something other than plain and simple "krav maga" is done to avoid to avoid accreditation.



    Hmm... i was agreeing with you until you wrote your edit comment which to be honest contradicts your opening post were you say uneducated people more or less slate things they don't know about.

    I see you have branded combat krav maga and Urban Krav Maga as cowboys?

    I would like to know were you came up with this statement?

    I dont know what way combat krav maga works but i have experience in UKM.

    If your statement is regarding classing UKM in the same boat as Mr Cumiskey with the 12 week intensive courses you will find you are mistaken - yes some UKM classes offer an initial 12week trial peroid where the student pays up front but it isnt a 12 week instensive course - as far as i am aware it merely offers another option for members to pay, there is also monthly and daily fees available with some clubs. We do not have this option at our club.

    Most UKM clubs pay on the night or monthly.

    If you are regarding the UKM system as being a cowboy system you will again be mistaken. I have trained in CKM, Kapap and now UKM, i have also studied many techniques from other Krav Maga organisations which the head UKM instructor has also experience in as an instructor and i can assure you although the rest were good Urban Krav Maga provided the best reality techniques, dont get me wrong each system is very similar, each have modified moves their own way but with it boiled down alot of the techniques are the same.

    The founders of Urban Krav Maga can draw on many years of experience in the following fighting systems as well as various styles of Krav Maga: Karate; Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Traditional Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, Boxing, Muay Thai, Tae Kwan Do and MMA.

    What made the system appealling to me was the full contact sparring with alot more emphasis on MMA based techniques aswell as the tradional style krav maga stuff which has been slightly modified over experience from 2-3 krav systems as well as mauy thai, bjj etc, in my opinion this provides a solid "b" senerio base if you get into an Alien situation - if you do at least you will have a bit more of a background in ground work more advanced than what ordinary krav systems teach for an example. You still also get the pressure tests, the ball bouncingly hard conditioning sessions, mulitple attackers,gun,knife,baseball bat, chain defenses etc etc etc

    Dont get me wrong, you still engage and dis-engage as quick and as violently as possible but with the added experience of other effective techniques as back up is in my opinion very useful.

    Do not get Urban Krav Maga confused with CKM - UKM dont claim all the B.S that was spouted by Moni Azik.

    Alot of people have left CKM because of the outlandish claims Moni made.

    UKM let their system speak for itself so if you are true to what you believe in i would suggest you go and try out a Urban Krav Maga class before you tar it with the same brush as some of the organisations that care more about lining their pockets.

    This is not a flame, i just wanted to shed some light on the matter.

    Cheers,

    IFS.NI

    p.s - In my opinion the IKMF are far from perfect also, some of their knife work is extremely ropey.This was one of the areas that the techniques were improved on for better control for example.

    p.p.s - For the Krav Maga v MMA debate that normally runs in these topics/posts just to let people know we train in both and theres great synergy between the two, both go hand in hand and as long as the student is aware of the difference in were to use the two then there shouldnt be a problem.


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