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Arsenal Transfer Rumours And General Chat

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  • #3002
    IrishMike
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    What about Dunphys suggest of Richard Dunne?
    Distan in the summer would have been perfect


  • #3003
    I-Bleed-White
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭I-Bleed-White


    malice_ wrote: »
    Right, I'm not going to get into the Mascherano incident again (especially as this is an Arsenal thread) so let's just leave that to one side. You have a point about the board room comment. I remember at the time when that was in the media that I thought it was a cop-out.
    Now as for your skill comment, there were four Liverpool goals last night, not just the penalty and as any follower of the English national team will tell you, penalties can be very difficult to convert at times :).
    I also like the way you didn't respond to my question about Rafa's tactics.

    Sorry. I had answered about Rafas tactics to someone else. I admitted to being over the top and caught up in my own rant. I really have nothing factual to back that up.

    Re:Goals. While the last goal was good and it obviously counts but it was a direct result of the penalty that wasn't a penalty. With Arse having commited their team forward. I just want the pool to admit they got lucky in this tie and stop being so condescending and swearing they crusied the tie and their class rose to the top. It didn't.

    Lucky in the first leg with Bendtner and the blatent peno that wasn't given which would have changed the second leg, lucky in the second leg that Flamini went off injured because as long as he was on the pitch they were going nowhere and UNBELIEVEABLY lucky to get that penalty which when I first saw it I thought it was,but from the reverse angle you can see it was a poor decision.

    As oppose to going through on their own merit (which I have seen them do before) they went through on Arsenals misfortune, from a Spurs fan I am trying to give an unbiased opinion.


  • #3004
    Sqaull20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    IrishMike wrote: »
    What about Dunphys suggest of Richard Dunne?
    Distan in the summer would have been perfect

    Dunne is alright, will run through brick walls for you, but not the top defender he's made out to be. Not by a long way..

    Distin would have been a good signing, left footed too..


  • #3005
    Malice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,079 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    I-Bleed-White wrote: »
    Sorry. I had answered about Rafas tactics to someone else. I admitted to being over the top and caught up in my own rant. I really have nothing factual to back that up.
    Fair enough.
    I-Bleed-White wrote:
    Re:Goals. While the last goal was good and it obviously counts but it was a direct result of the penalty that wasn't a penalty. With Arse having commited their team forward. I just want the pool to admit they got lucky in this tie and stop being so condescending and swearing they crusied the tie and their class rose to the top. It didn't.
    Babel's goal was a direct result of everyone bar Fabregas and Almunia being in Liverpool's half of the pitch. Kuyt hammered it forward and Babel easily outpaced a tired Fabregas to get to the ball first. I don't know who the condescending comment is aimed at, I'm certainly not try to be like that. Trust me, in no way do I think Liverpool cruised the tie; my ragged fingernails will tell you that :).
    I-Bleed-White wrote:
    Lucky in the first leg with Bendtner and the blatent peno that wasn't given which would have changed the second leg
    Firstly as far as I'm aware, Bendtner was offside wasn't he when the shot came in? So if he had knocked it in it would have been disallowed. I'll check that again when I get home tonight. Secondly, even if the penalty for the foul on Hleb was given, someone still had to put it in the back of the net. There's no guarantee that would have happened. Thirdly, how do you know Liverpool wouldn't have scored again themselves?
    I-Bleed-White wrote:
    lucky in the second leg that Flamini went off injured because as long as he was on the pitch they were going nowhere and UNBELIEVEABLY lucky to get that penalty
    I agree that Flamini was a loss when he went off injured but I don't agree that Liverpool were going nowhere at the time. The tie was all-square. Arsenal were probably edging the possession stats but I'm pretty sure Liverpool had more attempts on goal (even if Almunia may not have had too many saves to make). I'm not going to continue debating the penalty as it's obvious we won't agree on it ;).
    I-Bleed-White wrote:
    As oppose to going through on their own merit
    :confused: What does this mean? Liverpool scored more goals than Arsenal therefore they go through. Until UEFA start awarding points for passes completed or corners gained or something, it's goals, and only goals, that will count towards going through in a knockout tie!


  • #3006
    Nunu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    Sqaull20 wrote: »
    But fact remains we would have lost even if the peno's were correct..

    Cesc, Gallas, Hleb and Flam had to carry too many guys not good enough, Liverpool deserved it...


    Can't believe you haven't mentioned Clichy! He was absolutely immense last night and was the one player that defo did not deserve to lose...such an outstanding left back - I'd rate him better than Evra and better than Ashley Cole ever was.


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  • #3007
    IrishMike
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Thought eboue and adebayour also did well to be honest.
    It was a tight game and there was only going to be a goal in it either way.
    The scoreline definitely flattered Liverpool for a finish but they had a much better
    bench to make the changes that mattered for the final 30 mins.
    Arsenals bench looked bare except for walcott, who until yesterday never seemed
    able to make the step up.


  • #3008
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    i cant believe i am responding to some of the ****e in here, but you're right lads, we are just a lucky team, in reality we are ****e. we got a peno. you didnt get a peno. no decision goes against us, its not like Torres wasnt pulled down by toure in the box similar to Hleb in the first leg, which wasnt shown again and again and again, or like your old mate paddy viera had a blatant hand ball against us in anfield that wasnt given, no no no, we are just lucky.

    said it before and i'll say it again, arsenal got wat they deserved last night.


  • #3009
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    i cant believe i am responding to some of the ****e in here, but you're right lads, we are just a lucky team, in reality we are ****e. we got a peno. you didnt get a peno. no decision goes against us, no no no, we are just lucky.

    .

    Finally it sinks in :D


  • #3010
    Noelie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Noelie


    IrishMike wrote: »
    Thought eboue and adebayour also did well to be honest.

    Are you serious i thought they were only slightly better then Senderos, I don't like Eboue as a right winger so perhaps his performance last night wasn't too bad but adebayor was shocking, he's gotten way to lazy and greedy lately.

    the chance he had in the second half was a shocking miss, a decent striker would have taken a touch and tried to get around the keeper a really good striker would have managed to do what he was trying. he get caught off side way to often, just like Henry used to do, not bothering to try get onside before the ball is passed.

    the birmingham game showed it all for me, him and Bendtner against the keeper, he looks up sees Bendtner but still plants the ball against the keeper.
    that would of put arsenal 3-1 up and the game would have been over, but we all know what happened.

    I'd love to see him sold and a decent finisher brought into the club, I'd even trade him for crouch.


  • #3011
    Sqaull20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    i cant believe i am responding to some of the ****e in here, but you're right lads, we are just a lucky team, in reality we are ****e. we got a peno. you didnt get a peno. no decision goes against us, its not like Torres wasnt pulled down by toure in the box similar to Hleb in the first leg, which wasnt shown again and again and again, or like your old mate paddy viera had a blatant hand ball against us in anfield that wasnt given, no no no, we are just lucky.

    said it before and i'll say it again, arsenal got wat they deserved last night.

    I heard Gerrard got MOTM last night :D

    We dont have to face the prospect of losing to Chelsea in the last 4 or Man Utd in the final. That would be more painfull. Yee do

    Yee havent done anything agaisnt United in years and Gerarrd never, better hope Barca win, not even a bent Ref can save yee in that one :p


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  • #3012
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    I-Bleed-White wrote: »
    Sorry. I had answered about Rafas tactics to someone else. I admitted to being over the top and caught up in my own rant. I really have nothing factual to back that up.

    Re:Goals. While the last goal was good and it obviously counts but it was a direct result of the penalty that wasn't a penalty. With Arse having commited their team forward. I just want the pool to admit they got lucky in this tie and stop being so condescending and swearing they crusied the tie and their class rose to the top. It didn't.

    Lucky in the first leg with Bendtner and the blatent peno that wasn't given which would have changed the second leg, lucky in the second leg that Flamini went off injured because as long as he was on the pitch they were going nowhere and UNBELIEVEABLY lucky to get that penalty which when I first saw it I thought it was,but from the reverse angle you can see it was a poor decision.

    As oppose to going through on their own merit (which I have seen them do before) they went through on Arsenals misfortune, from a Spurs fan I am trying to give an unbiased opinion.


    Ah here, listen. The peno last night WAS a peno. I don't understand the controversy about it. If it's outside the box, it's a free kick. Same rule applies inside the box.
    Yes, Arsenal should have had a penalty last week. But who's to say you'd (i mean 'you' as in Arsenal fans. I know you yourself support Spurs) have scored what with Reina's record of saving penalties. If you had scored we might have tried and succeeded to get a second. Torres was pulled down near the end of the match last week in similar fashion to Hleb, but we didn't get the free. If we had, Gerrard might have floated it in and big Sami might have got his head to it.
    Even if you had gone into the match last night with a two one lead, would you have started the same way you did? Would we have started better.
    It's all ifs and buts. The fact is that Arsenal have been added to the long list of top clubs to have been beaten by Liverpool under Rafa. That's just not down to luck.


  • #3013
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Sqaull20 wrote: »
    I heard Gerrard got MOTM last night :D

    We dont have to face the prospect of losing to Chelsea in the last 4 or Man Utd in the final. That would be more painfull. Yee do

    Yee havent done anything agaisnt United in years and Gerarrd never, better hope Barca win, not even a bent Ref can save yee in that one :p

    Gerrard was ****e last night.

    and we still tonked ye :rolleyes:

    we have never played Utd in Europe, surely arsenal fans of all people should realise we are a different team in Europe?! and as for Gerrard never doing anything against Utd? ask Utd fans if thats true, you'll be quickly corrected.


  • #3014
    Sqaull20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Gerrard was ****e last night.

    and as for Gerrard never doing anything against Utd? ask Utd fans if thats true, you'll be quickly corrected.

    Enlighten me?

    18 years lol

    F^ck the champions, yee have degraded it


  • #3015
    IrishMike
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Gerrard was ****e last night.

    and we still tonked ye :rolleyes:

    we have never played Utd in Europe, surely arsenal fans of all people should realise we are a different team in Europe?! and as for Gerrard never doing anything against Utd? ask Utd fans if thats true, you'll be quickly corrected.

    Tonked?
    Wouldnt go that far.
    We won the game but it was on a knife edge for 88 mins till Babel scored.
    Quality match, 2 quality teams and it easily could have gone either way.
    Glad it didnt though ;)


  • #3016
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Sqaull20 wrote: »
    Enlighten me?

    18 years lol

    F^ck the champions, yee have degraded it


    listen here you little troll, i aint gonna rise to you, but to say we have degraded the Champions League is small time.

    how many years since you last won the CL? :eek::eek::eek:

    Opinion of Arsenal fans and Arsenal as a club has changed since we drew em...small time...."sign on,sign on....." "liverpool HOOF the ball" "Wheres you famous atmosphere?"

    Small time club.

    Another season trophyless. nearly 4 years since a final or trophy now is it?


  • #3017
    Sqaull20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    listen here you little troll, i aint gonna rise to you, but to say we have degraded the Champions League is small time.

    how many years since you last won the CL? :eek::eek::eek:

    Opinion of Arsenal fans and Arsenal as a club has changed since we drew em...small time...."sign on,sign on....." "liverpool HOOF the ball" "Wheres you famous atmosphere?"

    Small time club.

    Another season trophyless. nearly 4 years since a final or trophy now is it?

    lol...

    Rod put away :p

    Man U 19 soon :D


  • #3018
    Malice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,079 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    Yee havent done anything agaisnt United in years and Gerarrd never
    Gerrard's never done anything against United? What's this then?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBOfDYmkr7I

    Hopefully Bendtner can do something similar on Sunday :)


  • #3019
    Royale with Cheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    7 years ago by the looks of it.


  • #3020
    Malice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,079 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    Double post. Sorry!


  • #3021
    Pepe LeFrits
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    listen here you little troll, i aint gonna rise to you,
    hahaha. Doing a real good job of that, I see.

    Folks, why don't you all put the rulers away. Even if you're the longest, you've still got a small dick.


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  • #3022
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    apologies, i may have lost my cool a little there earlier :(


  • #3023
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Would be great to see him back someday

    http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/04/09/Eredivisie-Bergkamp-takes-coaching-step/


  • #3024
    Pepe LeFrits
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    I'm surprised by that, I recall him being very much against getting into coaching or management after his playing days. He probably misses it. He'd make a great manager methinks.


  • #3025
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Bergkamp is my favourite ever player to never play for Liverpool-****ing amazing.


  • #3026
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,114 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    jank wrote: »
    How about Micah Richards as a new defender. he can play CB and Right Full Back. He may cost us but it would be worth it as he can cover 3 positions and we can rest other Defenders aswell then.

    Not a chance of Micah leaving. Sorry to disappoint.
    Royale with Cheese wrote: »
    I'd love to see Richards at Arsenal but as he's young and English he'd cost way too much. Couldn't see Wenger paying the probably £15m or something stupid like that he'd go for.

    £15m would get you his left leg, especially considering his age and the fact that he just signed a new 5 year deal. He's worth more than what United paid for Rio Ferdinand.
    IrishMike wrote: »
    15m would not be a stupid price for Richards at all.
    If Arsenal could get him for that price they should take the hand off of City.
    City will be bigger spenders than Arsenal this summer more than likely
    so i very much doubt they will get him for that price.

    City wouldn't sell for anything near that low. Unlike the whole SWP, we are no longer a selling club.
    Sqaull20 wrote: »
    I would like Richards too but he doesnt fix the problem we have at centre back,he's too small and too similar to Touré and Gallas, he would be great cover/competition at full back, but we need someone tall at centre back..

    He may be only 5ft11ins but when do you ever see Micah getting outjumped for a header? The guy has one of the biggest leaps I've seen (i.e. his late equaliser against Villa in the FA Cup two years ago).
    jank wrote: »
    Sounds good but how much would that cost?
    Also Quaresma is he any good. I have seen his name mentioned countless times but i dont think i have ever see him play ot highlighted for anything decent.

    Quaresma would be a fantastic signing. In fact I want us to make a move for him after the Euros. Still only 23 and a similar player to Ronaldo. Indeed, Portugal have the best wing combination in the world with him on one side and Ronny on the other.

    See this video for what he does best -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1IHjSAXYo


  • #3027
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,114 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Greetings sports fans!

    As some of you may have seen, I am currently doing a bit of a survey on the soccer forum. I know some of you have responded so cheers for that but it would great to get as many people as possible.

    It's just three short questions so pop on over!


  • #3028
    tred
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭tred


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Gerrard was ****e last night.

    and we still tonked ye :rolleyes:

    we have never played Utd in Europe, surely arsenal fans of all people should realise we are a different team in Europe?! and as for Gerrard never doing anything against Utd? ask Utd fans if thats true, you'll be quickly corrected.

    Man i am sick of this Liverpool different in Europe. Why cant liverpool step up to the mark in the premiership, they spend about 50 million a year and still dont do it. Lucky to even get out of the group stages this year. Sometimes you make ur own luck or you dont. Based on performance over the 2 legs we were superior, 2 reffing decesions cost us the next stage plus serious injurys to Sagna, best right back in england, Edourdo, Van persie with 2 artifical legs on him the last night,Flamini, Rosicky just not playing.
    Looking at the way united Hockeyed ye a few weeks ago, and they way they are playing now, i cant see anyone but them win it. be a great game against Barca.

    As this is an arsenal thread....so back to the game ahead.
    worried for us on Sunday. Hopefully Arsene can get them up for it. I just think they look drained and our squad is depleted. you know if we had the full 11 going into this, be a great chance to ressurrect title bid, but the way were losing players right now, well we have enough to start..


  • #3029
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Quaresma isa poor mans version of Ronaldo. Does the amazing things, but isn't that good imo. He's a decent winger, but Arsenal should be aiming higher.

    Personally I'm of the same opinion of Richards. He's got the pace of Ferdinand, but isn't the same sort of player at all. He's a brute defender, doesn't read the game close to the level of Ferdinaind, he's a fast Terry, but not that good.
    He might develop into top class, but personally, I don't think Arsenal should move for him either to be honest.


  • #3030
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,114 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    PHB wrote: »
    Quaresma isa poor mans version of Ronaldo. Does the amazing things, but isn't that good imo. He's a decent winger, but Arsenal should be aiming higher.

    Name me a winger who is better than Quaresma that Arsenal (or anyone else for that matter) could go for. Realistically now.
    PHB wrote: »
    Personally I'm of the same opinion of Richards. He's got the pace of Ferdinand, but isn't the same sort of player at all. He's a brute defender, doesn't read the game close to the level of Ferdinaind, he's a fast Terry, but not that good.
    He might develop into top class, but personally, I don't think Arsenal should move for him either to be honest.

    I lol'd. Richards is 19 FFS. He's a better player than Rio was at that age. Of course he doesn't read the game as well as Rio, he's played Premiership football properly for 18 months! The argument that Rio is better than Richards holds no weight until ten years from now.


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  • #3031
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Name me a winger who is better than Quaresma that Arsenal (or anyone else for that matter) could go for. Realistically now.

    Em, Ashley Young???

    I lol'd. Richards is 19 FFS. He's a better player than Rio was at that age. Of course he doesn't read the game as well as Rio, he's played Premiership football properly for 18 months! The argument that Rio is better than Richards holds no weight until ten years from now.

    Maybe, but reading the game is a skill you develop with time, but some players have it early on. Like Pique, who imo reads the game perhaps as well as Ferdinaind.
    Richards is not like Ferdinand as a defender, his pace makes up for his tackle of reading, not as an asset to it.
    I think he'll be a very good defender, no doubt about that, but I'd be very surprised if it was in the Ferdinand mould, and be even more surprised if it was at the Terry or Ferdinand level.


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