Arsenal Transfer Rumours And General Chat

ibh · 09-04-2008 09:30AM

I-Bleed-White wrote: »

If you want to talk about history I by no means dispute that Liverpool have HAD some of the greatest teams in history. But on current form (and I mean that over the last 3 -4 seasons) when is the last time they mounted a league title CHALLENGE never mind a title. The liverpool teams of old won leagues. How can you possibly say that a team who find it difficult to finish 3rd in their own league deserve to be crowned the best of the best in europe. Is this common sense logic lost on you? Obviously by including the phrase (by champions league standards) I was looking for a little more leway then you are willing to allow and I apologise for voicing my frustration. They are obviously not tactically **** but there are a good few better. Cheating constitutes that CLEAR dive for the winning, game killing, undeserved goal. Don't be blinded by your bias.

Thats the sort of rubbish i'm talking about.

Incidently would you have been happy if Arsenal had beaten Barca in 06, becomming Champions of Europe while finishing 4th?? Would you have said Arsenal had deserved it or would you have said, "no the real Champs of Europe are Barca cause they won their leage as well".
I was totally happy winning the CL even thou we were sh1t in the league(5th)

PHB · 09-04-2008 09:30AM

This is practically a Liverpool forum. No point in even making the slightest suggestion that they didn't deserve to win 8-0. I would absolutely love to see the reaction on here if the roles were reversed and Pool went out in those circumstances. I think penalty decisions would be a little more important in that case.

I'd wager at least 20 people would be banned for personal abuse

Why are people saying that people are bitter if they point out that Liverpool got a huge reffing decision their way, and Arsenal didn't.
Why is that bitter? It's a fact!!

It's not like they are, well you guys won, but Rafas got a funny beard so ha! Or the more appropriate response, wow, you guys won, but you'll probably lose in the semis and finals, and it's what, 18 years since you've won a trophy? That's bitter! Then again, if somebody did that, I'd say we'd have 50 reported posts.

I-Bleed-White · 09-04-2008 09:33AM

malice_ wrote: »

If you're talking about badly organised from the perspective of the boardroom goings-on, what does that have to do with results on the pitch? Liverpool won the tie by having the skill to score more goals than Arsenal. Watching the highlights again I agree that the Babel penalty was a little soft but after the Mascherano incident against Man Utd we were due the benefit of some refereeing inconsistency for a change .

And as for the comment about tactics, do you seriously think Benitez just fluked his way past Inter Milan, AC Milan, Juventus, Chelsea (x 2), Bayer Leverkusen, Barcelona etc?

The Liverpool team seemed to think the boardroom goings on had plenty to do what was going on on the pitch. It was repeatedly chimed as an excuse for a run of poor results that almost seen them knocked out in the group stages.The skill? To score a peno? Rewatch the Masch incident from an unbiased perspective, definatly deserved. Watching that match I left the room and 10mins later my mate comes in and said there was a red shown. My reply. Mascherano? You could see it coming a mile away. As for the teams beaten. That would imply Barnsley are on their way to the Champs league final. Its not who you beat its how you beat them and while they have beat some of the above convincingly sometimes you are left with disbelief (like last night) at seeing them progress.

I-Bleed-White · 09-04-2008 09:35AM

ibh wrote: »

Thats the sort of rubbish i'm talking about.

Incidently would you have been happy if Arsenal had beaten Barca in 06, becomming Champions of Europe while finishing 4th?? Would you have said Arsenal had deserved it or would you have said, "no the real Champs of Europe are Barca cause they won their leage as well".
I was totally happy winning the CL even thou we were sh1t in the league(5th)

No. I would take no satisfaction in seeing Arse win the CL. If you could read as well as you rant you would see i'm a spurs supporter.

Mossy Monk · 09-04-2008 09:40AM

New winger, striker and right back please. Need good cover for Sagna.

ibh · 09-04-2008 09:44AM

I-Bleed-White wrote: »

How can you possibly say that a team who find it difficult to finish 3rd in their own league deserve to be crowned the best of the best in europe.

I-Bleed-White wrote: »

No. I would take no satisfaction in seeing Arse win the CL. If you could read as well as you rant you would see i'm a spurs supporter.

Look there was no rant on my behalf. I have the opinion that whatever team wins the champions league deserves to be called the champions of Europe. I know as well as you do that Liverpool are underperforming in the league perenially but on the European stage they are a class act. In 05 we beat Juve, Chelsea and Milan on the way to winning it. Thats a sign of the quality needed to win the tournament, and if you beat those teams you deserve to win it.

I didn't realise that you were a Spurs fan. Why would i? Because your name mentions White? Put it this way, you're trying to put down L'pool in an Arsenal forum the day after L'pool beat arsenal??!

IrishMike · 09-04-2008 09:52AM

Sagna was a loss alright but i thought Eboue did pretty well.
Would be more concerned with Senderos and the fact that the only cover for Flamini was
Gilberto who is no longer up to that standard.
It wasnt ref decisions or tactics that lost the game for Arsenal, it was the loss of Flamini
which completely turned the game and the fact that Senderos is so poor.
He reminds me of titus bramble.
Arsenal are quality, they are however lackin strength in depth when injuries start
rearing their ugly heads.
They finally need to start spending money in the summer, it doesnt need to be 20m
on one player but it does need to be 10m+ on players who will be able to
make the step up.
The bull**** RTE came up with that maybe Wenger has taken Arsenal as far as they can
is mindblowing, the man is a walking genius but seems to spend money like its out of his
own pocket.

Mr. Presentable · 09-04-2008 09:53AM

ibh wrote: »

. In 05 we beat Juve, Chelsea and Milan on the way to winning it. Thats a sign of the quality needed to win the tournament, and if you beat those teams you deserve to win it.

??!

If I recall correctly, Liverpool only got the opportunity to play Chelsea due to a very bad ref call vs Juventus (Del Piero goal wrongly disallowed). A dive in the final allowed another bad call.

jank · 09-04-2008 09:53AM

New winger, striker and right back please. Need good cover for Sagna.

How about Micah Richards as a new defender. he can play CB and Right Full Back. He may cost us but it would be worth it as he can cover 3 positions and we can rest other Defenders aswell then.

jank · 09-04-2008 09:55AM

Why are people saying that people are bitter if they point out that Liverpool got a huge reffing decision their way, and Arsenal didn't.
Why is that bitter? It's a fact!!

I agree. I think liverpool fans want everybody to love them!!

Royale with Cheese · 09-04-2008 09:57AM

jank wrote: »

How about Micah Richards as a new defender. he can play CB and Right Full Back. He may cost us but it would be worth it as he can cover 3 positions and we can rest other Defenders aswell then.

I'd love to see Richards at Arsenal but as he's young and English he'd cost way too much. Couldn't see Wenger paying the probably £15m or something stupid like that he'd go for.

mike65 · 09-04-2008 10:00AM

The game against Liverpool merely highlighted the fragility of Arsenals current squad under Wenger as I wrote elsewhere his youth policy looks progressive but has robbed the team of experienced veterans who can dig in when the going gets tough. The moment Hyypia scored the balance changed and youth was exposed as callow. Liverpool had half a dozen players last night who have been there done that reaching one or two CL finals in the last 3 seasons and having to overcome deficits on the way (Liverpool had to win the last three games of the group stage for example).

That experiece you can buy in football, Wenger choose not to beliving artisty and talent alone would be enough both in the CL and Prem.

How many games has Arsenal won since the new year?

Mike.

Mental Mickey · 09-04-2008 10:02AM

Arsenal need to get rid of PONDEROS and do it quick. He made Sami Hyypia look like Speedy Gonzalez for that goal!!??

Dun laoire · 09-04-2008 10:08AM

Bring back Tony Adams.

Seriously though they need a leader who'll drag them through when the going gets tough.

IrishMike · 09-04-2008 10:15AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I'd love to see Richards at Arsenal but as he's young and English he'd cost way too much. Couldn't see Wenger paying the probably £15m or something stupid like that he'd go for.

15m would not be a stupid price for Richards at all.
If Arsenal could get him for that price they should take the hand off of City.
City will be bigger spenders than Arsenal this summer more than likely
so i very much doubt they will get him for that price.
If Upson was still at the club and uninjured Arsenal the match would have finished 1-1 last night.
Thats my view looking into the magic whatif crystal ball on my desk!
Seriously what on earth would be wrong with 15+m on a player who would
vastly improve the squad?
Its that cheap mindedness that still has Senderos playin CB when 2 years
ago it was obvious he was frikkin useless.

Royale with Cheese · 09-04-2008 10:33AM

Richards isn't a proven player at the highest level and would be bought for rotating purposes, as much as I'd love him I don't see Wenger spending that kind of cash on a squad player. Sure he'd be Arsenal's record signing at that money.

If you look at this thread before the Pool game you'll not there's a lot of skepticsm at to whether this supposed massive transfer budget exists. I for one don't believe it, it's just being said to try and keep fans happy and keep any thoughts of selling up to Usmanov and Dein at bay. If Arsenal spend £30m this summer it'd be pretty good going imo.

IrishMike · 09-04-2008 10:37AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Richards isn't a proven player at the highest level and would be bought for rotating purposes, as much as I'd love him I don't see Wenger spending that kind of cash on a squad player. Sure he'd be Arsenal's record signing at that money.

If Fergie needed a new CB would he not be willing to pay 15m in a heartbeat?
Thats the standard you are dealing with.
There is only so far wheeling and dealing can get you, eventually you have to
pay for quality and up until now Arsenal and until the purchase of Torres
Liverpool were unwilling to do it.
The difference is that Arsenal can more than afford to do it, while Liverpool cant it seems.
With the revenues generated by the Emirates this season it will be very
interesting watching Wengers spending in the transfer window.
I honestly hope he starts going for broke, everyone wants to see a 4 horse
race for the league even if one or 2 fall away in April.

I-Bleed-White · 09-04-2008 10:37AM

ibh wrote: »

Look there was no rant on my behalf. I have the opinion that whatever team wins the champions league deserves to be called the champions of Europe. I know as well as you do that Liverpool are underperforming in the league perenially but on the European stage they are a class act. In 05 we beat Juve, Chelsea and Milan on the way to winning it. Thats a sign of the quality needed to win the tournament, and if you beat those teams you deserve to win it.

I didn't realise that you were a Spurs fan. Why would i? Because your name mentions White? Put it this way, you're trying to put down L'pool in an Arsenal forum the day after L'pool beat arsenal??!

Sorry. I had mentioned I was a spurs fans on the previous page.

Pepe LeFrits · 09-04-2008 10:42AM

Richards would be a good signing. He is a bit too similar to Gallas and Toure for my liking though. I'd rather Wenger went for a 'stopper'. Toure is a good RB backup. He made mistakes in both games against Liverpool, but for me that is a symptom of a general lack of form (fatigue?) since the African Cup of Nations, and not because of the position. He has made mistakes at CB recently too.

A new first choice winger has to be the priority this summer. In retrospect, it is a real shame that we didn't get Ribery (I was wrongfully sceptical about him last summer). Hleb can't do it all on his own. Rosicky's fitness record is an absolute joke at this stage, and Eboue and Diaby aren't capable in the position. Walcott and Vela aren't really wingers either, though they can do a job - but we need someone who can play well in that position on a consistent basis.

Evil_Clown · 09-04-2008 10:44AM

jank wrote: »

How about Micah Richards as a new defender. he can play CB and Right Full Back. He may cost us but it would be worth it as he can cover 3 positions and we can rest other Defenders aswell then.

Agree with Micah Richards (sell Senderos), would add Quaresma as the winger (sell Eboue) and a new defensive midfielder (sell Gilberto)

That would not be unreasonable would it ??

Royale with Cheese · 09-04-2008 10:47AM

Would want to concentrate on getting Flamini to sign a new deal before thinking about selling Gilberto. As crap as he's been this season, he may be needed.

Pepe LeFrits · 09-04-2008 10:48AM

I don't see the point of buying another defensive midfielder, unless Flamini goes. It is the favoured position of Denilson, Song and Djourou, Wenger rates all three, and they are all approaching the age where they will need to begin to be more involved (20, 20 and 21 respectively). Flamini has superb fitness levels and doesn't tend to miss many games anyway.

monkey9 · 09-04-2008 10:57AM

jank wrote: »

Its weird i always liked liverpool but the last few season have made me turn against them.

The last few seasons when Liverpool have been winning trophies? I suppose success brings out the begrudgery in everyone!

monkey9 · 09-04-2008 10:59AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Absolute bullshít. Have Liverpool ever come off worse in a tight tie in Europe? And that doesn't say anything about them. They get the bit of luck they need every single time.

Yep, Liverpool have been lucky in getting to the semi's three times in the last four years. Complete luck every single time to have knocked out your lot, Chelsea twice, both Milan clubs, Juve, Barca etc.
Give it a rest, would ya?

Ruskie4Rent · 09-04-2008 11:05AM

This criticism of wenger over his trasfer activity last summer is terrible IMO. He got a squad that looked quite average last season to probably the second best team in the league while making a profit. I understand people's point of view that had he spent more they could've been better, but we have the benifit of hindsight now.

At the start of the season, nobody expected them to be challenging for the title. I'm sure alot of people pointed to a weak midfield and the loss of Henry, but the pairing of Fabregas and Flamini along with Adebayor proved many people wrong.

Wenger knows that this team is a work in progress and even if the win the league this year he'll still feel that. He'll be more informed in the area's that need improvment and the players that he has that are just not up to it. The best is yet to come from this side.

IrishMike · 09-04-2008 11:11AM

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

This criticism of wenger over his trasfer activity last summer is terrible IMO. He got a squad that looked quite average last season to probably the second best team in the league while making a profit. I understand people's point of view that had he spent more they could've been better, but we have the benifit of hindsight now.

At the start of the season, nobody expected them to be challenging for the title. I'm sure alot of people pointed to a weak midfield and the loss of Henry, but the pairing of Fabregas and Flamini along with Adebayor proved many people wrong.

Wenger knows that this team is a work in progress and even if the win the league this year he'll still feel that. He'll be more informed in the area's that need improvment and the players that he has that are just not up to it. The best is yet to come from this side.

Very true, his first 11 is excellent and they play great stuff.
They have no strength in depth though and Senderos should be the bus driver
not the centre half.
Those are the issues people have with Wenger, no one can ever fault his
quality or the way he gets his teams to play.

jank · 09-04-2008 11:15AM

Evil_Clown wrote: »

Agree with Micah Richards (sell Senderos), would add Quaresma as the winger (sell Eboue) and a new defensive midfielder (sell Gilberto)

That would not be unreasonable would it ??

Sounds good but how much would that cost?
Also Quaresma is he any good. I have seen his name mentioned countless times but i dont think i have ever see him play ot highlighted for anything decent.

Malice · 09-04-2008 11:17AM

I-Bleed-White wrote: »

The Liverpool team seemed to think the boardroom goings on had plenty to do what was going on on the pitch. It was repeatedly chimed as an excuse for a run of poor results that almost seen them knocked out in the group stages.The skill? To score a peno? Rewatch the Masch incident from an unbiased perspective, definatly deserved. Watching that match I left the room and 10mins later my mate comes in and said there was a red shown. My reply. Mascherano? You could see it coming a mile away. As for the teams beaten. That would imply Barnsley are on their way to the Champs league final. Its not who you beat its how you beat them and while they have beat some of the above convincingly sometimes you are left with disbelief (like last night) at seeing them progress.

Right, I'm not going to get into the Mascherano incident again (especially as this is an Arsenal thread) so let's just leave that to one side. You have a point about the board room comment. I remember at the time when that was in the media that I thought it was a cop-out.
Now as for your skill comment, there were four Liverpool goals last night, not just the penalty and as any follower of the English national team will tell you, penalties can be very difficult to convert at times

.
I also like the way you didn't respond to my question about Rafa's tactics.

Evil_Clown · 09-04-2008 11:27AM

jank wrote: »

Sounds good but how much would that cost?
Also Quaresma is he any good. I have seen his name mentioned countless times but i dont think i have ever see him play ot highlighted for anything decent.

I have seen him play a few times for Porto and he looks to be a good player, fast, direct, scores goals and the important bit has experience of winning Portugese championship ,playing a few seasons in the champions league and is in his mid 20's
I mention in a previous post that I thought he was a bit selfish for arsenal but he still has many assists. Anyway with Hleb on the otherside not shooting at all it might balance the team up !!

Sqaull20 · 09-04-2008 12:05PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I'd love to see Richards at Arsenal but as he's young and English he'd cost way too much. Couldn't see Wenger paying the probably £15m or something stupid like that he'd go for.

I would like Richards too but he doesnt fix the problem we have at centre back,he's too small and too similar to Touré and Gallas, he would be great cover/competition at full back, but we need someone tall at centre back..

I would like to see someone of the Naldo mould, 6 feet 6, fast, good in the air, strong, can play left back etc.Corluka with City is the kind of guy we need imo, someone that can come into the team and play numerous positions..

We have been linked Cristian Zapata who I have only seen twice, but he looked good

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