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Royale with Cheese · 27-11-2007 09:40PM

Dreadful performance. Never looked like getting a goal in the second half. Gilberto was terrible, he loves giving the ball away these days. Eduardo was largely ineffective. Senderos shite. He's too slow and clumsy to be a top class defender. A new centre back is a must in the transfer window.

Fabregas was largely annonymous. Traore + Denilson gave the ball away far too often. Bendtner looked half decent at playing the lone striker role so at least that's something. Eboue wasn't too bad either.

Pepe LeFrits · 27-11-2007 09:46PM

Fabregas didn't play great but did you notice how we completely fell apart as soon as he was subbed off? Rosicky replaced him, and I couldn't even tell if he was playing.

I felt sorry for Bendtner as he was playing well until Cesc went off, at which point he came to resemble Peter Crouch for England. Endless high balls lumped in his general direction, and he had no support at all. I felt sorry for Eduardo too as he tried hard in a position that doesn't suit him, although his diving and acting was embarrassing. Ditto Eboue, who I am sick to death of.

Absolutely abysmal performance. Without Hleb and Fabregas we're seriously poor.

Let's see how they bounce back against Villa.

Pepe LeFrits · 27-11-2007 09:51PM

I'm hearing that Cesc had a hamstring problem, anyone able to confirm?

If he's out for any length of time, given that Hleb is already out for a few weeks, we're boned.

Royale with Cheese · 27-11-2007 10:00PM

Apparently he felt a slight strain in it and he was taken off as a precaution. Guess we won't find out til later in the week if he's out or not.

PHB · 27-11-2007 10:06PM

I think while Arsenal look weak with Fabregas and Hleb, I think if Gallas had been playing the result would have been different. Sendoros seems to have regressed far beyond what he was in his first year.

Peyton Manning · 27-11-2007 10:08PM

PHB wrote: »

I think while Arsenal look weak with Fabregas and Hleb

Christ, Id hate to see them when theyre not weak so!

Pepe LeFrits · 27-11-2007 10:09PM

I've just re-read my post above and I don't feel it accurately conveys my feelings towards Emmanuel Eboue.

Unfortunately, the forum rules here prevent me from doing so.

Wenger, please sell him ASAP.

As an aside, Senderos and Gilberto look finished.

cson · 27-11-2007 10:09PM

Senderos has been ****e for some time now. Ever since Drogba made bits of him, he hasn't been the same. As for Bert, playing like a man that doesn't want to be there I'd imagine, I didn't see tonights game. Testing times indeed for our season. The only comfort being that RVP is back, and my how we need him.

I think we're pretty much agreed that a midfielder and CB are needed in Jan, now I know Modric has been linked and Pepe put up Rafa Van Der Vaart as another one, my main concern is who can we get for CB? Who is a decent CB that's avalible? Kolo's gone to AN in Jan and god forbid Gallas gets injured. We've Djourou back but all the same....

Pepe LeFrits · 27-11-2007 10:14PM

I don't think we're getting a CB full-stop. Gilberto and Senderos will blunder their way through it until young Nordveit is ready to take their place... not unlike the way Cygan blundered his way through an inordinately long Arsenal career until young Senderos took his place. Hopefully Nordveit turns out better.

Royale with Cheese · 27-11-2007 10:17PM

Senderos was never that great to begin with. I was never convinced by him, even when the press were saying how great the backline was in the Champions League final run. He's making more and more mistakes now. He's almost guaranteed to cost the team a goal per game, certainly to give away some decent chances. He needs to go.

Djorou's not great but he's better than Senderos, which is why it amazed me when Wenger let him go out on loan.

Rosicky doesn't really seem to be working out. Thought he was a steal at £6m when Wenger got him but any more than that now would seem like money wasted. Although it took Hleb a couple of seasons to get going and look at him now. Tough one, Rosicky would want to actually stay fit for the rest of the season if he's to make an impression. Would reassess his situation at the end of the season. He's getting the odd goal though so he's doing his bit for the team, just doesn't have anywhere near the impact on the team that Pires had.

27-11-2007 10:34PM

I can honestly say lads that Philippe Senderos performance tonight was undoubtedly the WORST!! i have ever seen from an Arsenal CB ever - including the infamous 6-1 nightmare back in 01. He made Derby defenders look world class, in fact i would go as far to say, he's not fit to lace even Cygan, yes Cygan's boots. He stood beside kanoute/Fabiano on numerous occasions crouching like he's about to go into a scrum. He didn't even go up for alot of balls. He cant head for s**t and fluffs the majority of what he tries to kick. A waste of AW's effort who needs to be thrown in the dust bin right now. Djourou in my opinion is far better. My dad said Song wasn't too bad the last night when tried there. At least he could jump up and head a f*cking ball. i cant help feeling this big donkey could f*ck up our whole season. he played a huge part in the Sunderland revival at the emirates last month.

end of rant

cson · 27-11-2007 10:43PM

Wenger won't get rid of him. We could be looking at Barca, Inter, AC... a very tough second round match.

Royale with Cheese · 27-11-2007 10:48PM

Wouldn't mind drawing Barca though. Could teach Thierry Henry a thing or two about football ala Juventus and Vieira 2 years ago. Seeing Henry knock us out of the competition would be too much to take though.

keano_afc · 27-11-2007 11:07PM

No players should have been rested until the group was won. I said at the start of the season we needed a new centre half, and that was before Djourou was loaned out. Why is Wenger putting Dudu on the left also?? Didnt he see how effective he was against England through the middle last week? We'll have to see how it effects them mentally on Saturday.

ROCKMAN · 28-11-2007 10:09AM

First off I am a utd fan and this is not a attempt at trolling.
After last night game, And the issue of resting players and taking a risk in the draw for the next round and maybe the champions league itself. As Arsenal fans which would ye think/or take at the end of the season The League or The Champions League.
I know someone will say both and yes ye are playing the type of football that could succeed in both but for agreements sake you have only one choice.

I am asking because if it was utd, I would take the league every time

Royale with Cheese · 28-11-2007 10:33AM

It's a tough one, if Arsenal had won the Champions League before then I'd definitely say the league as imo the best team always wins the league, same can't be said of the Champions League. But seeing as Runners up is the best they've ever done I'd probably take the Champions League, just to get that out of the way.

yahoo_moe · 28-11-2007 10:43AM

cson wrote: »

Senderos has been ****e for some time now. Ever since Drogba made bits of him, he hasn't been the same

I don't really agree with this. For me, Senderos was in the form of his life when he first came into contention for the first team and played his part in a seriously impressive defensive run in the Champions League.

In the Community Shield against Drogba, he came up against a powerful player at the top of his form and, as we all know, had a bad bad day. But in reality, he's somewhere in between and last season he settled at somewhere around his natural level - a fairly average squad player (by Top 4 standards), with better or worse performances (and this inconsistency is the really dangerous part) depending on who's playing around and against him.

Senderos is useful to have around against slowish players relying on above-average (but not phenomenal) strength but useless against nippy players with intelligent movement. So it's just a question of using him as wisely as choice allows us to.

As for Djourou, Wenger's always used loan deals to give players the kind of action that he wants to judge them on but can't give them at Arsenal. I think Wenger wanted him REALLY ready for when Toure buggers off to the ANC so he got him a loan deal where he'd get 4 months of competitive Premier League action - not a bad policy at all for my money. He's done well for Brum so I think Wenger's prepared to bring him back for a first choice of Gallas-Djourou, with Senderos/Gilberto as (admittedly less attractive) back-up options - plus in case of emergency, Sagna can play CB too.

yahoo_moe · 28-11-2007 10:45AM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

It's a tough one, if Arsenal had won the Champions League before then I'd definitely say the league as imo the best team always wins the league, same can't be said of the Champions League. But seeing as Runners up is the best they've ever done I'd probably take the Champions League, just to get that out of the way.

I almost agree with you but after 3 years of no league, I think I'm just leaning towards the league...

AnCapaillMor · 28-11-2007 11:35AM

Champions League without even thinking about it.

As for big phil, he was good made the odd mistake then Drogba raped him 2 years ago in the charity shield and stanford bride and he was never the same.

ErinGoBrath · 28-11-2007 02:17PM

yahoo_moe wrote: »

I almost agree with you but after 3 years of no league, I think I'm just leaning towards the league...

Ditto. League without a doubt. The Champions League can wait, back to domestic winning ways first please Arsenal!

Mossy Monk · 28-11-2007 03:13PM

Only saw the goals from last night. Senderos should be sold. Too many mistakes now. Poor decision from the linesman to award the second free kick. Definite penalty though which came from diabolical defending. Eduardo scored a great goal however, fantastic cross by Bendtner.

gosplan · 28-11-2007 03:58PM

I've a feeeling people might be overdoing it a bit. Was last night really that bad?

IMO it would have been a really really difficult game to win with our entire first team out there.

It's also a tough game to come into when you haven't been playing for a while - see Senderos, Berto, Traore and Hoyte.

astrofool · 28-11-2007 04:05PM

It's a good sign to expect to win away in Sevilla with a second team.

Royale with Cheese · 28-11-2007 05:19PM

It wasn't the fact that they lost, just that they played so so badly. Hardly created anything, were all over the place at the back, and gave the ball away every time they got it. I wasn't expecting a victory, or even a draw, just a more promising performance than the one we saw.

OPENROAD · 28-11-2007 10:51PM

ROCKMAN wrote: »

First off I am a utd fan and this is not a attempt at trolling.
After last night game, And the issue of resting players and taking a risk in the draw for the next round and maybe the champions league itself. As Arsenal fans which would ye think/or take at the end of the season The League or The Champions League.
I know someone will say both and yes ye are playing the type of football that could succeed in both but for agreements sake you have only one choice.

I am asking because if it was utd, I would take the league every time

Easy one imo, Premiership everytime, a true reflection on teams year imo

L'prof · 29-11-2007 12:39AM

ROCKMAN wrote: »

First off I am a utd fan and this is not a attempt at trolling.
After last night game, And the issue of resting players and taking a risk in the draw for the next round and maybe the champions league itself. As Arsenal fans which would ye think/or take at the end of the season The League or The Champions League.
I know someone will say both and yes ye are playing the type of football that could succeed in both but for agreements sake you have only one choice.

I am asking because if it was utd, I would take the league every time

Definately the league but, ask me in 3 years time when we've won the league 3 times in a row and I might reconsider

gosplan · 29-11-2007 10:41AM

So if Fabregas is sidelined for the next few days who's your choice to replace him?

IMO a central midfield of Bert and Flamini doesn't offer enough going forward.

Denilson, Diaby?

Can't Rosicky play that position? Although that would require Eboue and Diaby to be our wide midfielders which might not be the best.

Argh, such a **** time for injuries!!!!!!!

Clichy, Hleb, Van Persie and now Fabregas.

Assuming they're all out against Villa I would honestly go for.

Sagna - Toure - Gallas - Flamini
Eboue - Gilberto - Denilson - Rosicky
Eduardo/Bendtner - Ade

You may have questions about Flamini there and I know he wouldn't be too happy about it given how welll he's played this year but I just don't like the idea of Traore there for the Villa match.

Everyone's shouting about Man City this year but Villa are on fire and are a serious threat.

Pepe LeFrits · 29-11-2007 10:53AM

Clichy is fine and will start against Villa.

The rags are saying Cesc is out for the next 3 games but the man himself is quoted in the Times saying he feels fine and will probably play.

Unrelated, Wenger has confirmed that Vela will come to Arsenal next summer.

yahoo_moe · 29-11-2007 11:37AM

If there was any doubt about how tough Saturday could be, Villa went to Ewood, kept a clean sheet and scored 4. They're looking seriously organised at the back (a centre-half they paid 9m for can't get into their team) & have much more of a threat going forward than they would have had 3 years ago.

Love to win obviously but I don't think a draw (and 3 points against Newcastle) would be a bad result

tred · 29-11-2007 11:49AM

Wathched the game. We controlled the game at start. Then started giving ball away, and mistakes. Gilberto, poorest game i ever saw from him. Senderos a liablity, even Denilson was giving the ball away. Fabregas was carrying knock and never really controlled the game. Eboue worked hard, and should have had a penalty. I think if he didnt fall around the place so much, he would have gotten it. Rosicky did nothing when he came on.
U see, same with United, they were beaten off the park the last day as well, until they brought on giggs and tevez. Arsene should have played the usual back 4. Playing together at the back, continously adds conssistency and boosts confidence. Remember Senderos threw himself at a ball as well, the ref gave a penalty but linesman overruled. hes just not the player they think he is. Djouru will be back in January I suspect with Toure on Nations duty. How is Djouru playing for Bermingham?

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