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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,187 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Right but it probably led to massive benefits for everyone else. We see similar complaints about the EU and leaving that, as the UK did 9 years ago, did not lead to prosperity. Quite the opposite.

    Protecting these sorts of stagnant industries harms Americans while creating a protected class within said industries.

    The solution is to find some way to help people who lose out on change, not to stop change itself.

    I'm just not buying your "racist deplorable" bit. Clinton was bang on when she made her basket of deplorables comment, just as Gordon Brown was with the bigoted woman incident. Pandering to these people achieves nothing.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's exactly it.. The scale of the transfer of wealth in the US over the last 20/30 years is simply staggering.

    And that transfer has only accelerated even more since Covid.

    Instead of that massive increase in wealth being used to benefit the nation , it has just been given to the 1% as tax cuts and exemptions.

    Just look at infrastructure - Roads , Bridges, tunnels etc. all in massive disrepair , some dangerously so and there isn't a penny available at Federal or State level to fix them or to expand them because all that money has been given to a few hundred oligarchs to further expand their bloated bank balances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,640 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No, but giving them a better health care option would've gotten her elected. Same with Harris - she, too, didn't have a whole lot new to say. Biden deserves enormous grief for the hash he made of things hanging around. Running a campaign on 'we're not the other guy!' just never seems to work in my experience. My first election (Reagan/Carter), I was pretty sure Reagan was going to be a dreadful president, and he was. But, Carter fell afoul of a lot of things, basically he was a nice guy that got elected, but didn't hold up. Obama was a nice guy but he was tough, too. Not a word I'd associate with Carter.

    I don't know about the 'massive benefits' for everyone else thing. Life expectancy is dropping. Wages are shrinking vs. inflation, and the most recent bastion of good jobs, technology, will get reordered via AI so even tech is no place to go.

    And the population increases. And people want houses, health care and a reason to go to work, and a chance for their kids to not suffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,187 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    "Better healthcare" is meaningless. More accessible? Better quality? How is it to be paid for? UK-style NHS? German style public insurance? Some other idea.

    Biden passed legislation that really helped those on the bottom of American society. His reward was to be sneered at for being gaffe-prone and Harris' was to be booted out for Epstein's pal. They wanted Trump. Not some GOP guy but Trump specifically and they got him.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,640 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No disagreement there - Fault the Democrats for not getting their own voters out. Better healthcare - heck, even something as awful as the HSE is better than average for US citizens - and one that lets you move jobs without risking everything would be a seismic change in the US, one that it would definitely come out the better from.

    I don't know how it's paid for. Maybe stop throwing billions at farmers growing Soybeans for export who run crap businesses that basically farm for subsidies. Farmers know they're a meme and take full advantage.

    Maybe spend a lot less on oil industry subsidies. Oh, and the whole 'GWB's temporary capital gains tax relief?" Well, that's what now, 25 years ago and no longer temporary. A small transaction tax on stock sales? Lots of potential sources of money, in fact, if moneys paid into health insurers, went into a single-payer program it's balance out quite quickly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,187 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Subsidies for farmers and lobbying by health insurance companies are too entrenched now for it to be something that can easily be changed. Look at Obamacare for one example. They'll fight tooth and nail to prevent any change and the average American won't care so long as they're ok.

    The system is the way it is because conservatism exists solely to transfer wealth upwards. That's it. The Democrats are quite conservative themselves. Even if they weren't, they're too weak and too hobbled to do anything about it. It's like the 2017 Brexit debates in the House of Commons. A majority against but no majority for a single solution.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Massie lost recently in Ohio. A vast, vast amount of money was poured into the campaign against him. It is not ideology that drives American politics. It is the lobbying and investment into a candidate. If you pay enough money, you can tailor the message to suit the campaign



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    These two charts/tables really show it

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    The Top 0.1% have quadrupled their wealth in the last ~30 years whereas the bottom 50% have stayed fairly flat , which when you account for inflation means they are much much worse off now than before.

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    The total "wealth" has more than tripled since 1989 , and virtually every penny of that increase has gone to the top 10%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I was speaking recently with my best-friend about why US politics is so broken. We concluded that proportional representation is great and having numerous parties representing different view-points is most conducive to society. The problem with a two-party system is that it lumps very disparate interest groups together. By US standards, most Irish political parties are left-wing. Imagine try to unify: FFG, labour, Greens, PBP and Sinn Féin under a single umbrella. It would lead to so much dissidence within the group. Sure, we all agree in the concept of a progressive taxation system, but the how it is achieved is wildly different and people will never agree. Right-wing politics used to incorporate a wide spectrum. Now it is just a “fu government, stay out of my affairs” tagline and unity can be achieved much easier. The chasm between Democratic and Republican policy is far too great and you need parties in between to represent the spectrum of political beliefs in between



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭somenergy


    Fcuk health care, Americans are fixed on acquiring wealth and now with an unregulated rising stock market its mana from heaven am in and out daily.

    Americans and UK reform supporters see european social support as a waste of money everyman for himself they have always been self centered its there MAGA wish



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    He had no idea who Eric was back when his brain functioned (comparatively).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,913 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    3rd visit apparently in 13 months.....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,913 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle......

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Where do you even start with this errant nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Which level of Idiocracy are we at now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,738 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    How anyone can say this isn't a cult of personality is beyond me. The official White House Twitter account:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Fairly sure that's Steven Cheung runs that, no danger of him passing a physical either

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,136 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    How many times have we been told this?

    He must be sick as a dog.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭KilOit


    This video is brilliant explaining America today

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9MubNsh3rs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    I just watched that, came up on a tv I was a guest on, yes I thought it was good.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    In this week's episode of "Today I learned', in Texas at least, when you pick a party to vote in a primary, if it comes to a run off you may not switch party ballots in the run-off election, even if the original party isn't doing a run-off.

    I guess it makes sense if one considers a runoff as just a an extended version of the original vote in which you have to select a primary in which to vote. I'm just not a huge fan of getting boxed in.

    Interesting article on CNN today. Paywalled, but you probably know a way around... Consumers have more disposable income because they have decided to abandon the idea of home ownership. So they are spending the money on luxuries they may not have bought previously instead of on mortgage payments.

    https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/26/business/economy-retail-airlines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,554 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I would love some reporter on live feed to ask him if it is true then that his doctors, due to his excellent check-up result, have taken him off all the medications they were providing him.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Texas primaries live stream. Trump has backed the more Populist Texas AG Ken Paxton despite the scandals connected with him.

    So far looks good for Paxton but a long way to go. Senator John Cornyn has been there about 20 years since Kay Bailey Hutchinson retired or joined the Bush administration. Corbyn needs to run up a big lead in the future but is only ahead less than 1% in Dallas.

    Trumps endorsement of Paxton was highly unpopular with Senate Republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Is the economy under stress not against their interests?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    "Trumps endorsement of Paxton was highly unpopular with Senate Republicans."

    That's because Paxton has a better chance of losing the general election than Cornyn.

    Bear in mind, Paxton got impeached by the Republican dominated Texas House… and still got re-elected to state AG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,554 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    If one were a GOP/Republican or a Democrat voter in the primary and the run-off is as defined in Google [a means of selecting a winner from amongst the candidates when none had gained the figure required to be declared the winner] why would a party adherent try to switch to the other side between the voting sessions?

    I could see the benefit of a voter being able to do so if the candidate one voted for in the primary had done a u-turn on stated policies and bond to the primary voters and the nearest candidate to hold the wanted primary beliefs was in the other party. It would be a benefit not to be boxed in by a particular state setting its laws to suit the two major political parties.

    It would also be something those parties would like to avoid, a RINO or DINO voter or their books, definitely something Trump would not currently like despite he being a DINO in the past and present.

    How do you feel about having to show indications of poitical loyalty to some-one like Trump due to being boxed in by an individual state restricting one's vote freedom in it's laws between primary and run-off elections?

    This is notwithstanding Trump's attempt to split the GOP vote in Texas for the purpose of malfeasance.

    Inter alia: consumers opting to spend their earnings on luxuries instead of home ownership might indicate they see the advantage of being able to move/ing from one location/state to another without property bonds tying them down. Being boxed in by state politicians and "influencers" to state laws requirements would be an annoyance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭amacca


    An unregulated rising stock market will probably be a good way for most of them to not acquire wealth.....



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