Israel/Palestine Thread

So it's a zone enduring conflict or a zone holding up a ceasefire? You are contradicting yourself. Surely if it's ceasefire there should be no reason to stop any adults legally travelling there, with legal cargo, they know the risks as all travellers do. As I said I don't hear you arguing this same treatment for any other country in the world.

How exactly do people sailing to Gaza with food and medicine paint Israel in a bad light? What am I missing here? You still aren't explaining the actual problem with it.

Should people who you believe "paint Israel in a bad light" (which I disagree bringing biscuits on a boat is doing) be banned from going to any other countries?

I keep saying that supporters of Israel are probably much further to the right of the German public who elected Hitler in 1933. They are fully aware of the numerous (believable and verifiable) accusations of genocide and war crimes and either don't care or actively support the war crimes.

and another thing.. these selfie flotillas expecting free passage to Israel, yet on their way there it’s insta video after insta video (for their likes) and on them they’re slating Israel and calling Israel a terror state and everything else, and people are surprised and outraged that Israel aren’t so keen to allow them free passage to Gaza? Huh?

Thanks appreciate it.

Israel may feel these people are "anti Israel", but you haven't explained why you fully agree with them.

Surely being in possession of a brain chock full of opinions of your own, you can explain (even to yourself if not to us) why people travelling legally to a place that is not Israel and is in a ceasefire, with a cargo of only food and aid, could possibly be damaging or dangerous to anybody, or how that act is "anti Israel" - to justify to yourself them being illegally aprehended in open waters and detained.

It seems you fully agree with Israel, whatever they do, even if you don't understand why? Apologies if I'm categorizing you wrong.

I'm sure you agree bringing food to Ukrainian women and children is not anti Russian, it would be humanitarian, and Russia should not be allowed to stop this. Because it would be bonkers advocating for that imo. But you seem to apply the same bonkers situation to Gaza when not really knowing why you are doing it.

And one more thing you could maybe think about - if Israel is, as is widely alleged, committing genocide and ethnic cleansing against these people, let's say hypothetically, would you still agree with them not allowing anybody to land and document what is happening? I would appreciate an answer to this thanks.

There's been plenty of documentation of rape of prisoners in Israeli prisons, floatilla participants have explicitly said their treatment was not as bad as what Palestinians receive.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/criminal-probe-launched-into-leak-of-detainee-abuse-video-idfs-top-lawyer-goes-on-leave/

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The really revealing thing about this case is the public outcry in Isreal over charges being brought against the rapist, resulting in his release, while the lady that leaked the footage was imprisoned.

Five reservists were formally charged since the video was leaked in 2024. Among the charges they faced was using a "sharp object" to stab the detainee near the rectum.  

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20251103-israel-arrests-ex-military-legal-chief-who-leaked-video-showing-abuse-of-palestinian-detainee

In October 2024, a UN commission found thousands of detainees were subjected to "widespread and systematic abuse" in Israeli military camps and detention facilities that amounted to a "war crime and crime against humanity of torture".

From same article.

If they are activists and trying to draw global attention to their campaign, wouldn't you expect tons of content from them on social media?

If we go back to the Suffragettes 100+ years ago, their campaign for the women's vote saw them embark on a whole series of crazy publicity stunts and eye catching incidents (and frequently even arson, violence and terrorism) in order to draw attention to their cause.

they were not abducted. That’s a nonsense. Intercepted, detained, held and released. Of course, anyone wanting to slate Israel will lap up the abducted narrative, just like they’re lapping up the beaten/starved and tortured narrative.

And who said posting on Instagram was illegal? And bringing in internet rage? What are you on about?

You are missing the point….whether I believe or these flotilla lads believe Israel are a terror state matters not a jot…what does matter is what Israel believe, and Israel do not at all believe they are a terror sate, hence any these flotilla lads, who are expecting free passage to Gaza, and how dare Israel intercept them…the arrogance these lads.

Expecting free passage to Gaza, when Israel control this passage, and on their way they are publicly hostile to Israel and then whineging and moaning when they are intercepted, and then making up fanciful tales of beatings and sexual assaults when they are detained, and released.

And I don't object to anyone calling Israel a terror state. I don't believe they are, but also, I don't believe them to be a state of virtue either. But when you are surrounded by arab/muslim states that want you destroyed, then I'll be a little less quick to start labeling them as terrorists when they act to stop these threats

It has not been internationally legally verified that a genocide was committed, and not everyone agrees on this.

Tell ya now, Israel certainly went too far from my following of it all, something I have said before, but I do not believe they commited genocide. But if they really have, then yes I think the might of the international community should push to full access to all the facts.

And, ya know it’s nice from time to time on this thread to have a casual and real and respectful back and forth, minus the arrogance and sniping and patronising that seems to be very prevalent against any posts that may be seen as too pro Israel. It really is a strange thread from this point of view. So much pile on against any posters that aren’t full on against Israel. I think lot posters disappeared because this. Me included

so are you accusing anyone who posts more in favor of Israel as hating 2 billion Muslims?

I didn’t say that anywhere in my post.

I did answer.. read it again.full access. That would mean entry by the relevant authorities from the international community

“But if they really have, then yes I think the might of the international community should push to full access to all the facts.”