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Liverpool FC - Talk /Gossip/Rumours 25/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭redoctober


    I tend to agree about the grief issue. We can't be sure as everyone processes things differently but if you've lost a family member it has a big impact and they may have felt like football wasn't such a big deal. That would be understandable. The flip-side is that all of us still have to go into work and get on with our jobs. We can't just switch off because we're going through personal issues. So I don't think this would have been the big factor in the season.

    For me, I think it's more to do with the fact that the squad was stripped out with a lot of players that maybe were friends (add in Jota to that) leaving. Slot doesn't seem to have much rapport with the players and seems clueless in terms of self-awareness (sometimes throwing players under the bus) and lacking in ability to motivate. Some players are new and the Jota thing wouldn't have affected them as much. I think it's more that last season was a swan-song for Klopp's players. They dug it out. Salah was unbelievable. Also, City and Arsenal dropped off. We finished with 2 more points than Klopp's last season so it wasn't hugely different and basically came down to turning one draw into a win.

    Many of the players have gone from having a manager who motivates them with a lot of love and gets that extra percentage out of them to someone who seems cold and distant. Much more likely, in my view that that's the difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    The problem we have with the squad, as you’ve just outlined, is that we now have too many injury-prone players, players past their peak, or players who simply aren’t good enough at the highest level.

    I have serious concerns about us defensively.

    Our right-back position has been one of the main causes of a lot of our issues this season, and I have no faith that either of those players can stay fit for next season. I’m also doubtful that Frimpong is actually up to the required standard.

    There’s a strong chance that both Gomez and Konaté could be out the door, especially Gomez, which could leave Virgil as our only senior centre-half — and he only has 12 months left on his contract too.

    At left-back, the fact that Tsimikas could now be back to being our backup LB is crazy if you ask me. He’s nowhere near good enough and hasn’t been at the required standard for the last two or three year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,768 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I think sorting the pours midfield would help with the defence. There's just to much getting an easy run at our defence this season so it's making it look worse than it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭redoctober


    Agree. There are problems all over the place. A strong RB and RW and DM. That's 3 new players potentially without thinking about any other positions. But those 3 would solve a lot of issues if they're fit and firing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    There's a few directly contradictory things here - Klopp would've won anyway, but it was Salah hitting ridiculous numbers in goals and assists that won it for us..? Salah was not putting in those performances for Klopp anymore, even to the extent that there were plenty of reports that if Klopp was staying then Mo was going. Slot, specifically, is what got Mo firing again. Slot's the one who gave Mo carte blanche to be an attacker-only, and shuffled the tactics accordingly to buy him space. I'm not sure Klopp was ever going to give a player that sort of release from responsibilities.

    We can lambast Slot all we want for this season, but trying to remove credit from a league winning manager is just pointless. He won us a league. He can have been perfectly suited to the circumstances of one season, and poorly suited to the circumstances of the next. Both things can be true, without us having to retroactively downplay his terrific first season.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,405 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    I think the focus on Slot and his on-field management has taken people’s eyes off the major squad deficiencies looming on the horizon. We’re nearing the end of Klopp’s generational team, and I can’t think of many positions where we’ve significantly upgraded.

    The next two or three transfer windows are absolutely huge for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Bet365 have suspended betting on next Liverpool manager (at the start of next season) as they seem certain it's going to be Slot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Tbf I think the fact both City and Arsenal had a big drop off last season was a huge factor, had Klopp stayed on it's likely he would have won the league too, as both City and Arsenal were still going to have the same seasons. The squad was there and had preformed to a similar standard the season before, but, both City and Arsenal were up around 90 points. Slot obviously deserves the credit for winning the title, but, it should also be acknowledged that he benefited from our main rivals having poor seasons, both things can be true!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,755 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Defence and midfield are absolute priorities for me. If they feel they need to replace Mo with a major buy that's fine, but I really want to see the early work done elsewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Sure, to win a league you need to have the most points of anyone, and if others get less points than you then you win. Every season is its own thing, so I'm not too into the 'good' or 'bad' season thing… you get it for coming out on top in any given year.

    But even ignoring the win itself, and ignoring how well or badly anyone else did - just having a season where he'd come in after a club icon, with the expectation of a tough season and a significant drop off, and then hitting 82 points with 4 games to go is utterly remarkable. That's just objectively brilliant going.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Personally I think we need to sign 3 forwards this summer, with 2 of them being wingers.

    I think it's fair to assume that Chiesa will be gone. Salah has gone, and Ekitike won't be fit until the end of 2026 at the very earliest which is half the season. It will take him a while longer to come back up to speed in terms of match readiness, but also he will have set backs.

    Rio, Gakpo, Isak is the list of forwards available for use after that. I'm not entertaining the idea that Danns or Wright are viable first team options as 1) Slot won't use them, and 2) their quality level might not be high enough.

    After that, a CM, and that will be the end of the recruitment for this year I reckon. It's not perfect, but you can't do everything at once and we're not going to see 7/8 signings again. It's not Football Manager type stuff. eg Kerkez was signed to be the new LB so he will be that. We're not signing another LB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    With the Ekitike situation, I'm kinda hoping that they might wangle one good one-year loan deal for a forward, in amongst the wingers… I think we have something to offer to a decent player there. There's always a few clubs with high quality forwards that they would rather get off the wages for a bit, and not have the player languish.

    Napoli loaning out Osimhen in the past for instance, and Real Madrid loaning out Endrick to Lyon last season. Endrick in particular might be one to feel out… I think he'd suit the PL, he has the work ethic for it, and is likely to remain down the pecking order at Madrid if Mbappe and Vini both stay. With Liverpool, anyone of that ilk will be coming straight into the shoes of a serious starter level player, so will get plenty of game time in a high profile team competing in the champions league.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Yeah a loan is not a bad shout. One that sticks out to me there is Nicolas Jackson, who has PL experience, top club experience and could very well be available for loan again. Chelsea might not be willing to deal though, and/or might force an obligation into the mix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, exactly… who knows if Chelsea would be up for it, but that profile of player. Someone decent to fill the gap, but who we won't be stuck with after Ekitike comes back. Feels like a win/win situation for someone out there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,768 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Bring back Nunez on loan for the year. The club could do with his craziness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,056 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I'm quite firmly of the view that the points totals between the two seasons were almost identical.

    The City drop off was far more important.

    I don't even thing City had a month like November 2024 when we won the league in 19/20.

    I think some of the alledged tweaks have been overblown and look more and more incidental as time moves on.

    Even the spirit of the side, still apparent in 24/25, has waned the longer we have gone on.

    I'm now convinced that we would not have won the league had Slot been given more time with the squad or transfers.

    Harsh but there we are.

    You have to get credit for being able to pounce when City **** the bed but arguing only he would have been capable of doing so when the previous manager has 99, 97 and 94 point seasons seems silly to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    Nothing contradictory at all. Ok Just to be clear. A poster I quoted literally said we would not have won the league last year with any other coach. It implies Slot is the reason we won it and was the sole difference from the previous season, ignoring all other factors. I found the opinion absurd, that's all. It implies all of the credit should go to Slot. My response did not imply Slot should not take any credit, ofc he should, just not all of it.

    The phrasing you use in your last paragraph is amusing if nothing else "he won us", "his terrific season." He played a part, which I have given him credit for, nothing more. So you can retract your comment about me removing credit.

    Could you explain your comment about him being suited to circumstances of one season but poorly suited to the next? Are you implying he has no control over our fortunes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    Well it seems we can’t buy that German kid because of Brexit. We can’t even buy him and loan him out.

    If FSG had a club in Europe they could have bought him through that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭McFly85


    In that reply you did explicitly say that Klopp would have won the league the year that Slot did, and that’s what I disagree with. He may have done, but there’s no guarantee he would have. Honestly by the end of Klopps last season the squad looked done with his coaching, so I’m not sure they would have come back with an 80+ point total.

    But anyway, it’s moot. I think all you’re doing when you say that you think Klopp would have won the league is minimising Slots influence, as if he just had to turn up and do nothing. And considering how hard it is to win a league title, I think it’s unfair on Slot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I never said only Slot could have done it. But Slot did actually win us a league title, and suggesting that Klopp would have done it or basically anyone could have done it only serves to minimise Slots achievement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    My comment with regard Klopp has to be taken in the context it was mean't, a reply to a comment that we would not have won the league last year with any other coach. I simply find it more plausible that we would have won it with Klopp than not have won it with any other manager other than Slot. Do you think we would not have won it with any other manager than Slot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    He didn't win us the league, he won the league with us along with all of the players and coaches, he played his part. He got credit for his role and he deserved it. It's just a bit far fetched to suggest no other manager would have won it with us, and it is not an attempt to minimise his achievement to simply point out how absurd it sounds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I don’t think it matters whether I think Klopp or someone else would have. The only thing I think is important is actually winning it.

    Regardless of who we think could have done it, Slot actually did it, and it was an incredible achievement.

    What I do think is that fans have such a low opinion of Slot after this season they’ve convinced themselves that he’s so bad that he couldn’t have possibly had much to do with our league winning season, which is a shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    That's fair enough. But another poster did say no other manager would have won the league with us last season which is what sparked my response and your own reply to mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    we might well have won it with Klopp instead, of course - but we’d have won it in a different way. It wouldn’t have looked the same. All we know for sure is that we won it with Slot, and we won it because of the way he did things (again, see use and rejuvenation of Salah as a key point).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I think they'll do a deal to sign when he turns 18. Similar to the kid from South America recently, and I think there's already a deal in place for a young African winger to sign in 2028.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,995 ✭✭✭mormank


    You think we have enough cover in midfield?? We play 3 in midfield and we have Grvenberch, Szob and macca with only jones behind them who Slot also doesn't trust fully or might even be leaving this summer tho I doubt it personally. Who am I forgetting?

    We don't have enough cover in ANY position on the pitch as things stand imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    Not disagreeing with you, although not sure what you mean by not winning the same way. I simply don't believe that Slot was the only manager that could have won the league with us last season given how the season panned out, contrary to what the original OP I responded to said. On the point about Salah, I agree that a factor in Salah's numbers last year was in how he was used and asked to do, but a greater factor in that is the player himself. If Slot played such a huge role in Salah's form last season, how much of a role did he play in his form this season or is that simply down to the player?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Klopp was burnt out, that's why he decided to step down. There's little point in theorizing in what might have happened had he stayed. I'm thankful that he wasn't at the club when Jota died because I feel that would have destroyed him.



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