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Liverpool FC - Talk /Gossip/Rumours 25/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭redoctober


    Right now? Yes. Wouldn't be my preferred option, but it would prove a lot of things. We would see him use the players we have to great effect within one season, guaranteed. Every manager can be unlucky with injuries and Slot has been but the players he's had, he hasn't used and as has been repeated, they don't look fit/bothered a lot of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,622 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    My first gut reaction would be to puke. I'd sooner have Sir Alex. Pep can do nothing without world class superstars, an unlimited chequebook or a big bag of drugs and bribe money, ideally in a one horse race. He can take proven champions and continue to keep them as Champions - as long as he has cash coupled with prime Messi or Haaland or Aguero etc.

    Can he take a bunch of misfits, outrun by Chelsea and who gave Tudor's Spurs a point back to the top with modest spending and no cheating? I'd sooner have a proven manager.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,297 ✭✭✭54and56


    This is possibly, and it has a lot of competition, the most bizarre opinion I've seen on this thread in years.

    You're actually pointing to Man Utd's lack of sucession planning in firing managers over the last decade and all the chaos that ensued as an example of why succession plans aren't needed.

    If anything, the case study you're referencing is the strongest possible justification for why you should always have a succession plan in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭CONSI


    Andy Robertson came from Hull. VVD played for Southampton…we have to start getting value for money and building a squad again with hungry young footballers…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Was it stoke Shaquiri came from and was a great squad addition?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Xofpod


    I didn't want to load the question by giving my own opinion, but - absolute no for me. Despite the results and the (probable) footballing genius, he's a moral black hole. He was a cheat as a player and a cheat as a manager. I'd rather be relegated or have Roy back (possibly the same thing) than have Pep as manager.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    You are talking absolute nonsense. United's issues had absolutely zero to do with succession planning.

    You keep repeating over and over this idea that you cannot sack Slot unless there's a clearly identified successor in place.

    We have proof available to us this season that getting rid of an underperforming manager can lead to significant improvement even if the perfect replacement is not available. Perfection is the enemy of progress.

    Is it a guarantee? Obviously not. But sticking with an underperforming manager is not without massive risk either. We have obvious examples of this in the past too, see United and Ten Hag.

    United would have been better off giving Ten Hag the boot at the end of that season, you are just like the United fans back then arguing that he had to stay, and look how that worked out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,297 ✭✭✭54and56


    Wrong on all counts.

    I never ever said you cannot sack Slot unless there's a clearly identified succssor in place so please stop making stuff up.

    What I have been saying is that it's better to be prepared and have a succession plan in place before sacking a manger than not, e.g. when they sacked Rodgers and immediately replaced him with Klopp who they'd already lined up.

    You can absolutely fire a manager if things are so bad that replacing him with some former player who's currently running the U21's would be an improvement, even a temporary improvement, but that's not where we're at with Slot given he won the PL last year and is limping to a CL spot this year, especially as it's 3 days from season end.

    FSG are serious people who are meticolous in their planning and unless it's an absolute emergency e.g. Slot just instantly quits, they will carefully plan a managerial transition by lining up a successor before they give Slot his P45.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Of course it's better to be prepared. What an insightful input. Having a ready-to-go replacement is better than not having a ready-to-go replacement, who would have thought it.

    But it's immaterial. Irrelevant waffle.

    If the manager is underperforming and things are bad it is important that he goes regardless. Not having a replacement ready to go is not a good enough reason to keep a manager around, this is how clubs end up in a mess. Having to give Slot the boot in October would be an absolute disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,199 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Slot: "I have to find a way to evolve this team now and definitely in the summer and in the upcoming season to be successful again, and to play a brand of football that I like. And if I like it then the fans will like it as well because I haven't liked a lot of the way we played this season."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Joao Gomes from Wolves would be a good addition to the midfield if we were selling McAllister too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ratracer


    I think what annoys me most about Slot is his stupid comments like this.
    I mean if he doesn’t like how the team are playing all season, who exactly can change that??? Because the supporters can’t, we just have to put up with watching and supporting the same crap style of play. He seems to want to continually absolve himself of any blame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,199 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Just saw this too

    "I will always love this club." ❤️ Salah: Farewell to The King will be available on YouTube and All Red Video at 5pm today 👑

    On the video front, Anfield Wrap look like they have a good one for Robbo, haven't watched it yet though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    I really still think this is an attractive job. We will very likely be in the Champions league, I refuse to believe that the likes of Grav and MC Alistair and Gakpo are suddenly bad players. We will hopefully have Isak firing next season, I still believe Wirtz can come good. There's still plenty to work with to make us an excellent side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    TBH, I think this has been his subtle dig at the board all season. Slot, us fans, the world, and its mother can see that we’re badly lacking pace out wide and a proper defensive midfielder. Slot has gone on about it all season, almost to the point of annoyance at times.

    It’s obviously being used as a bargaining tool: give me more pace up front and a proper holding midfielder, and you’ll see us return to title-winning form. That’s probably how Slot sees it.

    The question is whether Hughes and the others still trust and believe him when he says these things. I think there was definitely a time when they did, but that patience may finally have worn thin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    This 100% (well not sure on the Ferguson bit 😂). Pep is highly over rated in my opinion there is no way he could have done what Klopp did as above he has been successful with unlimited money and unlimited talent. Any time anything small went against him he generally had a poor season and was found out tactically plenty of times.

    It's a pity he will be seen as a better manager than Klopp by many when Klopp was far better in reality. If city get properly punished and all their titles taken away (and relegated multiple divisions) I wonder how Pep will be looked on - very unlikely to happen unfortunately. Amazing how fast they could act on Southampton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    The problem for Slot or anyone who replaces him in the future now is they are not the manager of Liverpool football club they are the head coach and have to coach the squad the sporting director gives them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭brevity


    I think what Slot is saying that due to the lack of fitness and the introduction of new players that were not ready for the PL, the style of football has suffered.

    Robbo has said again recently that no one was interested in football the start of the season. Even the physios were not interested…

    Hard to rile everyone up when everyone is dealing with grief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,297 ✭✭✭54and56


    If a manager is underperforming simply getting rid of him may make things worse if you don't have someone who can step in and improve things.

    Also, your crystal ball that getting rid of Slot in October would be a certain disaster isn't a great example as the last time Liverpool replaced a manager in October the incoming manager, who signed on Oct 8th 2015, won the PL, CL and Club World Cup etc etc 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    I've said it in the first half of the season that on paper our first 11 is incredibly strong. While you can still point to some underperforming players and say the talent it still there they just need the right manager, the problem is deeper going into next season (for a prospective manager looking at the task at hand)… Bradley and Allison are huge injury concerns. VVD is in the "handle with care" stage of his career. He can no longer carry the defense. The three other CBs have huge question marks over how they will perform next year. We've no cover at LB. We've no-one at all for the RW, nevermind having cover in the position. We've one fit striker who also now carries a question over him on how injury prone he is. And we've a bench consisting of unproven kids with only a few glimmers of quality in the mix if they all stay (Jones, Endo, Frimpong, Mac and Chiesa assuming you placeholder Rio for Salah in the first 11).

    Even if you think you can get the best out of Gakpo, Grav, Mac and Dom, that is a mess of a situation to walk into.

    Not to be too negative, I think one could look at…

    Isak

    Rio Gakpo

    Wirtz Szobo

    Grav

    … and feel pretty good about what you could do with them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I don't think you can trust Slot unfortunately based on the performances we've seen in recent weeks. The whole team is tactically and physically a mess.

    But he has been hung out to dry with the recruitment last summer. It just makes no sense. Hughes and Edwards seem have completely missed the direction the league was heading too.

    Can everything be rectified this summer, I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Liverpool have been operating this way for over 15 years. I don't think it will be news to any new potiential manager.

    The fact is if you want to manager Liverpool, you'll get a say in who comes in the door. But your word is not the final conclusion. It worked well with Klopp and Edwards for years. The jury is obvisuly still out on whether Hughes can continue in the mould.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭redoctober


    Agree. There are huge question marks about the squad right now. With hindsight it looks like we've invested too much in just a few positions and overpaid massively on Wirtz and Isak. We failed to address other parts of the team which were arguably more critical. We lack quality in many positions.

    GK: we need to keep Alisson as Mamar is not great. Was a mistake to let Kelleher go.

    Defence as a whole is questionable now with VVD getting to the end of his career. He's carried us this season.

    Midfield. We've lacked a DM and despite Grav and Szob being very good players we've looked poor and have been over-run.

    Wings: Frimpong hasn't set the world alight. Gakpo isn't really a winger.

    Up front: Isak needs a season of fitness to convince. Unlucky with Ekitike who was arguably our best player this season with Szobo. Where does Wirtz fit?

    FB: loads of question marks. Kerkez not convincing. Bradley unfit. Frimpong - should be used further up? No back up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Nobody on here or even the fans in the ground has an idea what the players and staff went through. I suspect that is why the noise from within the club may be more sympathetic than from fans regarding Slot. This counts for players losing conditioning and form as well. I have been hard on Salah but if Slot has the excuse of the club not preparing properly then he has as well.

    Add in we have had terrible luck on injuries and transfers, well I guess our season is the result. The big question now is, do the higher-ups see a possibility of Slot turning it around or not. There seems to be obvious tension in the dressing room between the personalities and I guess those always come to the fore when you are struggling. Let's hope for some better luck next season so that everyone, players and fans, can at least be in a better mood about the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,498 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I don't mind those Slot comments, if it's an implied criticism of himself that he's failed this season to evolve things far enough.

    But I doubt he's taking responsibility, because he also said in the presser that he congratulates Arsenal, and then using their set-piece efficiency (40% of their goals, he said) as a huge reason they've won the league, along with their work off the ball.

    Let's just say that's true. Don't fúcking say it in the same sentence where you're congratulating them on their PL win. It just makes him sound like a petty fool. I'm absolutely tired of his over-explaining of why others do well, while laying on thick the excuses for why we're struggling - everything from injuries, to balls being played in the air by opponents to whatever else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭redoctober


    I think a lot of that comes down to inexperience at a high level. It's a whole other level of scrutiny that he's facing since joining Liverpool. Last season, things went well so not many questions were asked. This season it's been the opposite and when you're losing games and playing awful stuff as we have for the most part, whatever the manager says will sound inadequate. If we were winning games his comments would be seen differently. Someone should tell him to just keep shtum and stick to boring cliches cos he seems to be like a bull in a china shop with his comments right now. It reminds me of Brendan Rodgers in his time: A lot of explaining and talking about "tremendous" players and football while we were finishing well down the table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,406 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    This is too simplistic and amounts to a get out of jail free card for Slot, whose management has been diabolical this season.

    Also, many people do have an idea what it's like to lose a friend, family member, or colleague through tragic circumstances, and in an untimely manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭brevity


    The thing that has worried me a bit is there are no players coming out and speaking positively about Slot. It’s total silence apart from Salah. They haven’t said that the manager has supported us even though we had a terrible start or anything about how he might have protected them during the Jota thing.

    I’m sure he must have - but I would have thought the could be a bit more vocal in supporting him.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think the club will be extra wary of VVD as he could very easily suffer the same collapse of form that Salah experienced this season.

    I think we've all got a refresher course that decline is not linear. You don't just get a little bit worse each year, the rate of decline increases and suddenly you're miles off it. There's nothing to say VVD will even be 90% of the player he was this season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭robwen


    Attacking midfielder likened to Kaka



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