Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

not all. But definitely some. Main ones being those who are weirdly desperate to turn this into a race war, racial profiling killing. Truly dangerous people, and lot of them in very responsible and public positions. Rotten behaviour

can’t deport Irish citizens!!!

Believe it or not, I was able to walk up Henry Street today without shoplifting or causing affray.

Immigration asleep at the wheel again.

Let's start by saying that you don't know why the security tackled him. How can I say this with confidence? Because you haven't seen the CCTV footage of the incident from the store. So you should probably hold fire on jumping to definite conclusions about what happened on the day, unless you're also going down the route of denying people their legal and constitutional rights.

The store isn't a publicly owned location and store management are within their rights to refuse access on reasonable grounds. If someone tries to get into a store who management don't want in, the first job of security is to prevent them getting in. If they do get in despite that, the next job of security is to get them out. Reasonable, appropriate and proportional use of force is allowed to accomplish this, but no more. People can and have been criminally tried and convicted for overstepping that line.

We now know he had a history of shoplifting from that store, so the correct action should have been to first prevent him getting in, then if he does get in despite that, get him out.

There is so far no evidence that he was shoplifting on the day he died. There's no evidence he wasn't either, but people are entitled to due process and presumption of innocence. If evidence does emerge it will change the picture somewhat, but what it won't change is that everything points to the force used being unreasonable, inappropriate and disproportionate.

So maybe you and others should be the ones dropping your own red herrings, don't you think?

Security doesn't chase you outside and detain you for waking in and doing nothing.

If he walked in and browsed and left without taking anything they would have no reason to detain him. He previously stole perfume from this department store. He would probably have been barred. They would have just approached him and escorted him out.

You can take it to the bank that there's CCTV evidence of the deceased shoplifting.

Exactly. So maybe those calling for deportations should stop and think for a bit.

As is the claim that he was tackled for shoplifting on the day he died. People don't know the full details of the incident yet, so STFU all around and learn to accept "alleged shoplifting" rather than try to dismiss it as a red herring.

Justice Minister O'Callaghan signes order to recommence legislation allowing for naturalised Irish citizenship to be revoked in serious cases.

https://gript.ie/law-recommenced-allowing-naturalised-citizenship-to-be-revoked-in-serious-cases/

Please God that'll all change but it must include those who have multiple convictions no matter what they're for.

They must be really desperate for evidence of racism, if this is the best they can find. Just staggering self entitlement by those who've been homed and educated to doctorate level by this nation to claim that the very same nation is institutionally racist.

Res ipsa loquitur

Arnotts is no Mr. Price or homesavers. Mr. Sakila a homeless man, would be very unlikely to have the financial means to go shopping at Arnotts. A repeated shoplifter with a track record at that specific location walking in and then (per accounts) attempting to leave abruptly provides objective grounds for heightened suspicion.

Alleged shoplifting but 100% definitely a racist lynching by racists and the usual parasites lecturing the whole country about how they are racist. Totally balanced reaction

Hows about asking the people you're claiming are doing this? That might be an idea! Otherwise, obvious bait is obvious.

He probably sold it on for 40 quid, or less.

I'd like to know how this individual could ratchet up 50 convictions and still be in the country. Then i'd to know how many others like him have multiple convictions and are still in the country and why? The level of non nationals in prison innitself is one more metric that highlights the complete failure to create a coherent immigration system.

RTE quoted as saying "a solicitor for the family". I'll leave that one right there.

I also want to know how citizenship was awarded in the first place and how can it not be revoked for repeat criminality. This individual is likely to have perpitrated up to 500 crimes or more.