Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

If only he wasnt here those poor security guards wouldnt have killed him. All his fault

I watched the whole video and there are 6-7 seconds where it looks like excessive force is being used, when one security man kneels heavily into the man's neck-head area.

Anyway, people jumping to conclusions so quickly and wanting to turn this into a racial type killing are really dangerous….and doing this behind the guise of "we are so appalled."

Yes, well maybe before you jump in so sure that it was reckless negligence that killed the man, you should wait for the autopsy and investigation. This is nothing to do with excusing. It's called due process!!!

Anyway, my wider point was to do with dangerous narratives from very mischievous people that are trying to frame this a a race type killing because the man was black.

race type killing because the man was black.

The commentary around it is certainly racist.

But but but they only used excessive force for 6 seconds.

But but wait for the autopsy.

Do you think it was mere coincidence this man perished just at the exact moment 5 men jumped on him?

The reality is if the deceased wasn't black the 5 rent a thugs who took his life wouldn't be afforded the benefit of the doubt people are so rushed to give them.

so you are pushing the race angle here. Trying to say because the dead man was black that people are now rushing to defend the security men and to say they did no wrong. This is dangerous. It's exactly what my point relates to.

There are no buts. People get restrained all over the world every day. Most do not die. This man did die, unfortunately.

Did he die due to recklessness and carelessness from security? This is possible, but let the autopsy and investigation make its findings. In a nutshell nothing that happened should have anything to do with the man's colour. But people do not want to consider this

Seeing as you are so quick to question, disagree, muddy: Do you think these 5 men INTENTIONALLY decided to end the man's life, or do you think much more a case that they screwed up, and were too forceful, but did not intend to kill him or seriously harm him?

Trying to say because the dead man was black that people are now rushing to defend the security men

That is exactly what you did, yes. And continue to do.

Did he die due to recklessness and carelessness from security? This is possible, but let the autopsy and investigation make its findings.

Do you think the autopsy will come back that he died of natural causes, that having several hundred pounds of humans using excessive force had nothing to do with it?

Just mere coincidence, he would have died at that exact moment if they didn't tackle him?

Seeing as you are so quick to question, disagree, muddy: Do you think these 5 men INTENTIONALLY decided to end the man's life, or do you think much more a case that they screwed up, and were too forceful, but did not intend to kill him or seriously harm him?

The actual investigation will have to determine those facts.

Again, that is separate to the nefarious commentary surrounding it.

Hold on….it is you who are pushing the angle that because he was a black man that people are rushing to defend security. You are ushing this angle, not me. I said his colour should have nothing to do with anything here!! so take back this, please.

Your comment:

"The reality is if the deceased wasn't black the 5 rent a thugs who took his life wouldn't be afforded the benefit of the doubt people are so rushed to give them."

I couldn't have been clearer, neither could you have to to be fair.

I have been good enough to answer your questions, but you haven't reciprocated.

So again.

Do you think the autopsy will come back that he died of natural causes, that having several hundred pounds of humans using excessive force had nothing to do with it?

Just mere coincidence, he would have died at that exact moment if they didn't tackle him?

There are postings online that he has up to 60 convictions here, and some for assaulting people/gardai. Do you think this cannot be true?

Oh, and this has nothing to do with his death. It's just reports out there..

Could you link to these reports so we can all read them please?

I have corrected my post. I did not mean to say reports, as in verified reports; there are postings I have seen mentioning him having had up to 60 convictions. Anyway, I am not saying they are true/accurate; I suppose time will tell on this. We will learn more in the future, but I wouldn't be so sure to dismiss these claims outright.

Online postings, yes…not just FB

Anyway, as I said I am not claiming the postings to be true. Just that I have seen several postings saying/claiming this.

I am sure it will come out during/after the investigation into this incident. May well be true.

So, are you still refusing to give your leaning as regards the intentions of the 5 security men?

I have to say, anyone who really thinks the men did what they did to kill the man, is just way way off. Makes no sense, and I can only think they think this because they want to push a race type killing here.

So, are you still refusing to give your leaning as regards the intentions of the 5 security men?

I already have twice.

But again you are refusing to answer any of mine

Once more.

Regarding the autopsy: No idea, as I have no knowledge of the man's medical history.

How is that relevant?

If I jump the curb driving recklessly and knock down a 75 year old women and kill her, it's no crime because she had type 1 diabetes?

In another podcast (thehub.ca), Keller makes an interesting point that many groups and institutions were in favour of this massive increase in immigration (including increasing the numbers of low pay low skilled), except the voters who generally were against it when polled.

Those in favour were the Trudeau govt, higher ed institutions (“foreign student” fees), and what he calls a weird left-right alliance of progressive groups and NGOs and certain business group lobbies. When you examine “woke capitalism” it’s not so strange - when you shift the “progressive” idea from being about class and low-incomes , to being about the third world and racial identities, it’s easier to support increasing low pay worker immigration, and ignore the real causes of poverty and inequality.

https://thehub.ca/podcast/video/it-went-parabolic-tony-keller-on-how-canadas-immigration-system-spun-out-of-control/

Some lesson for Ireland in this. Not ignoring the people, having an immigration system and enforcing it. Being more selective to get the high skill workers needed. Being more sceptical over low pay/low skill worker “labour shortages”.