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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Bocadilloo


    MOD EDIT: Warned for breach of forum charter

    Post edited by circadian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Did u read my questions correctly, as your response didn't answer either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes I would advise you to have your sources , proper ones not AI slop , ready in future and I will either discuss or let it go..

    Bye now ;).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I can't believe our tax payer funded broadcaster is promoting the narrative pushed by Irish funded NGO's. Are they trying to create a BLM movement or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Interesting to compare Irish Times still pushing the “all immigration is always good, all the time” message , without any nuances.
    With the change in the debate in Canada. The liberal Toronto Globe and Mail journalist Tony Keller has published a book and is doing the podcast circuit talking about how effectively open borders (mainly low skill workers) have caused economic, housing, social and political problems in Canada starting in the Trudeau years:

    https://www.policymagazine.ca/tony-kellers-borderline-chaos-and-canadas-immigration-crisis-the-2025-mcgill-max-bell-lectures/

    https://tarahenley.substack.com/p/transcript-tony-keller-9df

    “First, business lobbies, who successfully agitated to repurpose the system to “fill low-wage, entry-level jobs.” Keller explained that this group, facing a “labour shortage” almost entirely at the bottom end of the market, saw a massive pool of temporary workers as a way to avoid raising wages or investing in productivity. This directly inverted the Tom Kent model, shifting the system’s focus from acquiring human capital to acquiring cheap labour.

    Second, the federal government itself, which ignored sound advice from its own economists in 2016. It was convinced—urged on by progressive activists and lobby groups like the Century Initiative—that a “bigger Canada” was an inherent good. Keller’s data showed this was a catastrophic miscalculation: this new model did not make Canada richer, it has done the precise opposite, driving GDP per capita into a protracted decline.“

    In the last 2 years, Canada has been trying to scale back immigration to more “sustainable levels”

    https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/economy/immigration/canadas-immigration-minister-discusses-sustainable-immigration-levels-during-halifax-event/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Why would they ignore their own economists regarding mass migration and side with woke ideologues? The same is happening in Ireland and Europe. The people's will is being ignored time and time again. If policies like this were pushed in many of the nations we welcome this mass migration from you'd have a civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,689 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    FFS. Gript as a source really? They can't even spell his name right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,989 ✭✭✭take everything


    RIP to the guy on Henry Street but what has his death got to do with race. Why are the NDAR (or whatever the racism NGO is called) commenting on this.

    This has to do with whether security people were too heavy-handed trying to stop a serial shoplifter who if I'm not mistaken (open to correction on this) broke an elderly man's hip while trying to flee. Where is race in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭DebDynamite




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Expect them to ignore your update. It’s the same every time: post an article; they don’t like the source. Give them an unimpeachable source; they’re nowhere to be found. Profoundly dishonourable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Bocadilloo


    MOD EDIT: Advocating for violence against someone is against the forum rules

    Post edited by circadian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,757 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    The liife expected after braking your hip or leg like the 80 year old he knock down while running is drastically reduced .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Gript proving to be on the ball here. Fair play IT for at least reporting the truth.

    If the shoplifter had survived would he have been described as a Congolese man by the media? I think they'd have called him a Dublin man. MM making statements to the Congolese community feels like a reaction to Berties comments. If a shoplifter from Ballymun had died I doubt MM or the MSM would be heavily covering this.

    Gaslighting at it's very best from GG.

    Pure race baiting tonight on Virgin. There's another clip of Gary where he has a problem with the department publishing images of those being deported. It's a scary thought these guys getting into government.

    Post edited by RoyalCelt on


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I wonder if Irish voters will ever see immigration as the kind of priority voters in other western countries do? Or are we just different?

    We have seen that pressure on the government to cut social welfare to Ukrainian refugees eventually succeeded. Personally I had more sympathy for them because they are war refugees. My idea of what is a refugee is someone fleeing ongoing war and ongoing persecution, not potential war or persecution.

    I also believe that asylum should be talked about separately from already very high labour migration. With work permits, we have verification of the person's identity and skills. With asylum, we often don't because of the destroyed travel documents.

    If an Irish citizen were applying say for work with children, they would have to undergo rigorous background checks. But how would that work if someone has destroyed their ID? So it is not the same as people coming on work permits.

    Personally I am a Centrist and probably in some respects more liberal than our politicians, though I voted against the Family/Care referendum because of ambiguous wording that left the meaning to judges. However on immigration I think the main cause of it is the government handing out work permits like theres no tomorrow. While this is happening, Irish doctors have been emigrating to Dubai (before the war at least). This raises the question about whether we are adding to hospital staff, or just replacing it.

    I'm fortunate to have a roof over my head. But many other Irish people are struggling and I can understand why they might feel they are missing out on housing offered to others.

    I don't think the Populist Right are the solution. They come with a lot of baggage connected in some cases to Russia or MAGA, and anti-LGBT policies.

    But I might consider Aontú despite disagreeing with them on abortion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'll never understand what voters see in Gannon, but each to their own. One thing is for sure though, he and others are milking this death to contuine pushing the race agenda. It doesn't matter the skin colour, the security guards would have behaved the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    They've been pushing for that since the George Nkencho shooting.

    The irony of that is they'll lambast the Far Right in this country for importing politics from the US into Ireland whilst doing the exact same themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,850 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    The use of force by the security guards looks fairly heavy handed but we dont know (yet at least) what led to that point ie how much force was actually required, was the deceased endangering the security guards etc.

    Its sad to see someone lose their life but if it was Anto from de flats how do people think the security guards would treat him? Ask him nicely to lie on the ground and then get him a nice cup of tea?

    This isnt a race issue, it's a thieving scumbag issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    You have a certain portion of odd people that want to import the racial toxicity and division we see in the US and UK over here.

    I have no idea why, I imagine they’ve largely not got much going on for themselves and are yearning for a cause.
    They see all of the exciting trendy “activism” their counterparts on instagram etc get to get up to over there and want the same here.

    Every minor incident, every mundane thing will have to be viewed through a racial lens like it is over there. It’s exhausting and it’s absolutely poisonous to social cohesion. I can’t fathom looking at the States and thinking “yeah let’s get some of that over here”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    We give out citizenship way too easily in this country. We don't value our passport enough

    Once given it's impossible to revoke..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Correction - alleged thieving.

    He may well have been shoplifting, but he's still entitled to his constitutional and legal rights. How about waiting until the actual facts are established before throwing accusations about?

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Yes, I answered neither. You have no right to demand I do so.

    (Even though I actually did but you just failed to join the dots.)

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,876 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Some of these elected officials jumping all over this with the racist/ethnic/minority angle really are dangerous!!! And they know exactly what they're at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,177 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Social Democrats are the pits. And they look like our future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    IMG_6828.jpeg

    They are having another go at this argument. (For those who complain when I don’t post links, I haven’t linked the article because the headline gets cut in half and it’s paywalled anyway.)

    Apparently one of the lines in the article is, “The biggest migrant group in Ireland has consistently been the English”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So you linked to an article you haven't read or no one else can without a subscription?

    That is next level link dumping.

    Fair play to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    They'll get a stint in government, and that'll be the death of them. The bad news is that, just like the Green Party, they could damage the country for generations when they are in power.

    They, along with others, including some elected officials, are trying to weaponize this incident by introducing a racial, ethnic, or minority angle, and it is really dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,876 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yup…trying to equate/compare Irish and English people, who have been mixing for centuries, with so much in common and so much shared history and cultures/values, etc with modern day multiculturalism between peoples with no connection or likeness to Ireland……it's deliberately mischievous and disingenuous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,850 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Hogwash. George from Manchester who likes pie, mash and a pint is no different to Fuhad from Somalia who has no problem with the practice of FGM or Mohamed from Afghanistan who doesn't mind a bit of child marriage or stoning the odd homosexual to death. We are just bigots for not seeing that.

    MOD EDIT: Warned for breach of forum charter

    Post edited by circadian on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭crusd


    And did they cchange, no, but it wont stop people tilting at windmills



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