Israel/Palestine Thread

What I don't think though is that those abuses necessarily put Israel on the "wrong" side, as you seem to think.

Interesting how you consistently vent your spleen here at the atrocities carried out by Hamas, yet the significantly greater atrocities and War Crimes carried out by Israel does not put them on the "wrong" side.

Seems your moral stance is "fluid" depending on the perpetrator. Hypocrisy at its best.

MOD EDIT: Warned for uncivil posting.

Two Israelis are currently at large from the ICC with warrants out for their arrest. Looks like another 5 could be joining them.

Certainly, Ben-Gvir (a convicted terrorist and racist) and Smotrich are two of the most odious characters in the Knesset.

May they all face justice in The Hague, and if found guilty, rot there.

Haaretz straplines:

The International Criminal Court's top prosecutor has requested sealed arrest warrants issued for Israeli ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir, a source told Haaretz, with another adding that three more warrants would target Minister Orit Strock, a member of Smotrich's far-right party, and two IDF officials.

Khan, who has since been suspended due to sexual misconduct allegations, was reportedly investigating the role Smotrich and Ben-Gvir played in expanding Israeli settlements in the West Bank and whether this violated the Geneva Conventions, which prohibit countries from transferring their populations into territories they have occupied.

A source who works at the ICC told Haaretz that the court's investigation will also likely focus on settler violence in the West Bank.

Whats your opinion on this?

"Living Hell” follows on B’Tselem’s August 2024 report “Welcome to Hell.” Building on the extensive research and analysis carried out for the previous report, it provides updated figures and new testimonies from 21 Palestinians released from Israeli prisons in recent months, and draws on data from other Israeli and international human rights organizations. The updated information indicates that Israeli prisons continue to function as a network of torture camps for Palestinians, with the systematic abuse even more extensive than before. This includes physical and psychological abuse, inhuman conditions, deliberate starvation and denial of medical care, all of which has led to numerous deaths. Some witnesses also described undergoing or witnessing sexual violence and abuse. The transformation of prisons into a network of torture camps is part of the Israeli regime’s coordinated onslaught on Palestinian society, aimed at dismantling the Palestinian collective."

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202601_living_hell?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=IwY2xjawRwGWhleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFOWUZtbzZySUZMS09HUHBZc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHjBa7rgkuOneG9SiNm4KsPOUL7uN9CrRtOcK5S74tZ96tcoZYbREZdiy98OL_aem_eWmTBnZ7Fzz1W5bdKN8piw

Remind me, when did Poland attack Germany? Or Czechoslovakia? Or for that matter their allies in the Soviet Union (which is why Russia still pretends that WWII started in 1941, they don't like to talk about what happened between 1939-1941)

It's more a geopolitical necessity than an election slogan, given Israel's horrifying geography and history of being attacked. Realistically if Israel were forced to withdraw from the West Bank, Golan etc, a 3rd country would have to step in to protect Israel from attack from strategic highlands. An international mission of some sort with more teeth than UNIFIL for example.

Besides, if you really want to roll the clock back to 1967, that would mean Egypt annexing the Gaza Strip and Jordan annexing the West Bank.

IF Israel is doing so, it would be inexcusable.

Still can't bring yourself to condemn "your side" - even when there is CCTV footage of one particular event (there are many others).

Your full commitment to Israel is as admirable as it is consistent. However, most would regard support and justification of Israel and its atrocities as abhorrent.

I recall you posting that "if Israel was committing Genocide, it's doing a pretty poor job of it".

Certainly, if Iran wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, it's also doing a pretty poor job of it, right?

That's why the old canard of "existential threat" is simply a smokescreen to go and exterminate a few more people that Israel doesn't like (and steal more land).

All the arguments trotted out are pure Hasbara and a busted flush. Everyone knows them off by heart now.

…but they are colonizing the West Bank, Golan and Arab East Jerusalem.