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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Misinformation, made up nonsense etc etc.

    I posted info from Google which states the unemployment rate for people from the Congo is 63%

    You said this info was compiled when asylum seekers had to wait 9 months before being allowed work whereas now it's 6 months. Are we magically meant to think that the rate has dropped from 63% to 15% as a result of this 3 months difference? Hilarious!

    What is the unemployment rate for Congolese so golden girl? Either furnish us with a link or accept you can't. Misinformation etc etc ain't gonna cut it .

    MOD EDIT: AI generated content is not permitted in CA.

    Post edited by circadian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    You wouldn’t hate them so much if they weren’t so hypocritical. Blatant disinformation from the party that wants to combat disinformation.

    I see the Sunday Times article from 2023 refers to “illegal immigrants”. They were talking about Gerry Hutch on the Irish Times podcast last week, who, needless to say, is a gangster and a scumbag. Jack Horgan-Jones said: “Hutch made some comments about immigration, saying he felt that “illegal” immigrants - and he didn’t really expand upon on what he considered an “illegal” immigrant…”, derision dripping from every mention of illegal.

    That is now par for the course: the pretence of misunderstanding what illegal immigrant could mean; the denial that someone who has come to Ireland by illegal means could ever be considered illegal. As the Sunday Times article shows, we all knew what it meant only a few years ago. It is the kind of sophistry popularised by the left, and it is so destructive to public trust in politics and the media.

    Horgan-Jones went on to say: “He also specifically mentioned Somalis, for some reason, as being persona non grata and set for the boat home.” For some reason… He feigns ignorance about why people from a literal failed state - bottom of the human development index - might be thought unsuitable for our country. That would have been considered radically left wing ten years ago. Incredible how far the tectonic plates have shifted that it is now being said by an Irish Times reporter without blushing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Fotish


    There are only 242 million people in Nigeria — surely the government should be encouraged to accommodate them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    so a lot of Irish priests tried to improve lifes for Nigerians we should take in anyone from the huge continent of Africa?

    Who told you that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Yeah, we should be limiting it to 1% of the population.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    IMG_6819.jpeg
    • Indian
    • Transgender
    • Goes by the name Q, as in queer
    • In Scotland on a student visa
    • Advocates his host country pay reparations
    • Elected to parliament!

    You cannot satirise this. If you had predicted it ten years ago, you would have been laughed out of public life. But now that it’s happened, it’s perfectly normal and you’re a racist for objecting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If you had predicted it ten years ago, you would have been laughed out of public life

    Why?

    The first Indian non citizen was elected to parliament in 1892.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52829458

    But now that it’s happened, it’s perfectly normal and you’re a racist for objecting.

    That entirely depends on what grounds you are objecting on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭aero2k




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Did you just stop reading my post after the first bullet-point?!

    What’s going on, Boggles? Is this some game that you enjoy playing - pretending not to understand the obvious?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    • Indian - So?
    • Transgender - So?
    • Goes by the name Q, as in queer - So?
    • In Scotland on a student visa - Comes from a common wealth country, perfectly allowed to run for office.
    • Advocates his host country pay reparations - So have dozens of MPs
    • Elected to parliament! - Yeah, we know.

    I went through it by bullet-point.

    So what exactly are you objecting to that may get you called racist? Be specific?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    We in the collective west are being taken for fools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,617 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Because the UK have parliamentary rules based around their colonial past?

    If you are Irish you can run to become an MP too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    I’m not playing your game, Boggles. But I take great pleasure from the knowledge that European countries are now reversing the immigration policy that you so admire. You are going to be increasingly angry with your government and society. Let us know how it feels, won’t you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I’m not playing your game

    You were asked a very simple question.

    You are refusing to answer it, that's your game not mine.

     You are going to be increasingly angry with your government and society.

    That MP was elected in Scotland, not Ireland.

    Has absolutely no relevance to the thread.

    Which makes it even more confusing what exactly your point is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭rgossip30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Where is the link to prove your assertion that 54% of asylum seekers have third level .

    ''Globs of google AI without reference are meaningless and can be misleading . '' You are funny .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Who else has said the UK should pay reparations to Palestine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I did furnish a correct link in my last post ( did you not read it ? ) also discussed the fact that your makey up " Congolese " numbers were nonsense (or maybe imported nonsense ?) .

    The 6 months vs 9 months is a small difference granted , but the chief factor is that your figures were taken from a CSO report over 10 years ago , compiled from numbers from 2011 to 2016 !

    That happens when any AI tool is asked an incorrectly worded question and it dumps any old data to reply . Can be incorrect or out of date if you are not specific.

    People need to carefully read the links provided and in many cases look up the information themselves because Google AI is only a very basic tool otherwise .

    Most people postink links prefer to check what they post is correct first so they are not spreading misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ah, really ?

    I have just had a conversation with two people laughing at my post which was calling out AI generated misinformation, saying they were posting nonsense and misinformation, and proved that it was , yet those posters continued unabated.

    here as if it was some gotcha . Does nobody see those posters bs being pushed here except those deemed to be lefties?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Go read the thread or look it up …it has been discussed before . The information corrected and being discussed was the numbers of unemployed and the incorrect reference to Congolese , CSO reports and relevant years .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No . I didn't miss your sarcasm note as I have said before . I don't think it's appropriate to accept misinformation and yes I do take it seriously and won't apologize for it.

    So why if you are apologizing to me are you now taking issue with my reply accepting your apology ?

    Maybe I am taking that anyone who agrees with posters that are making wildly unverifiable claims are on their side ?

    Appears you are talking out of both sides here .

    Apologies if that is not the case and we will leave it there ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Exactly . And supported him and backed him up every time they were asked about it .

    It's the same story blame the junior partner on government and reelect the other Bozos .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    "You are going to be increasingly angry with your government and society. Let us know how it feels, won’t you?"

    So tell us where your government is then ?? Gas still posting here every day from God knows where about our country with links about UK, Denmark etc .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    The Irish Network Against Racism (INAR) says it is very concerned that excessive force may have been used against a Congolese man who died following an alleged shoplifting incident in Dublin last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,195 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I am concerned that excessive costs have been imposed on Irish taxpayers by bogus asylum-seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    I take it as a compliment that you’re accusing me of not being Irish. It’s a mark of your desperation that you’d say something so improbable. But have a look at my post history, if you can stomach it. For someone posting from God knows where, I sure do have an unusual interest in praising Pat Kenny, criticising Brendan O’Connor, defending an RTE drama and discussing pedestrianisation in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Not talking out of both sides of my mouth at all. Why do you assume I agreed with the poster?

    I was offering my apologies as to your misunderstanding of what I was laughing at - namely this behaviour by some (note: I said some) on the left to cry racism at literally, everything. “Math is racist” was a famous example doing the rounds a few years ago. My comment that statistics were racist was a play on that. I thought it was obvious what I was doing but apparently I was too subtle and was apologising for the lack of clarity on same.


    Separately:

    Did I endorse misinformation at any time? No. And I would never do so.

    Do I believe racism is wrong? Yes. I’m astonished I have to clarify this btw.

    Do I believe our open borders policy has failed? Yes.

    It’s funny because if my non-white non-Irish female partner says these things it’s accepted in good faith; whereas if I as a white Irish male say them I’m the worst person on the planet. And by definition, that’s actually racist.

    Yes my salary is enormous but it doesn’t affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    You’ve got to admit it’s pretty funny that the entirety of the media was in hysterics over Bertie Ahern saying “we can’t be taking in people from the Congo”, and then within days an Ebola epidemic in the Congo is announced and an incident involving a violent Congolese shoplifter is in the news.

    Notice the framing of the news article by the way. Slips in his nationality while making the story about excessive force. The likely result of this will be that security guards are instructed by their employers not to physically engage, as happens now in the UK.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Are they going to try and turn him into another George Floyd? They tried that with George Nkencho and nobody bought it..



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