Israel/Palestine Thread

Yeah Sean, the nuclear armed regime backed by the US and most of the Western world probably should be cowering in fear. What are you opinions again on Israel committing crimes against humanity? Oh yeah, you think Arabs are sub-humans, no need to respond.

Not a go at you but I am getting sick of seeing this scum being described as "settlers". They are expansionist, occupying terrorists.

So this post is who you are, you want someone to lie in their grave in urine?

He did, yes. You probably missed it given you would no doubt agree with it.

SeanW - you are creating a false argument here. As I said before, and is being proven in the statistics of those being killed, this is in no way a war. It is a sustained genocide of civilians under the guise of fighting a war. How can someone say the are in existential threat when they are doing over 99% of the killing, and (by their own numbers), over 80% of that has been civilian?

It's absolutely ridiculous, and when you defend this stuff you are no different than anyone saying the massacre of civilians at the music festival back on October 7th was necessary and justified because a few soldiers were among the victims.

Israel is indeed involved in a somewhat stuttering proxy war with terrorists operating in it's neighbors territories and with Iran. You can treat this like a football match and say I'm up for this side and and I want them to beat that side. Have at it. I understand you are interested in the geopolitics, me faaaar less so. I will argue you don't have the ability to understand the human cost of anything you are saying however.

I honestly could care less who "wins" between Israeli and Iranian regimes. I never met an Israeli or an Iranian in my life (or a Palestinian for that matter), it is completely irrelevant - I still want their civilian men women and children protected at all costs. That is what international law stipulates, and that all the mechanisms of it strive to ensure, and what ideally should be there for us if things ever go south.

I would hope both Israeli and Iranian regimes would cop on and agree to live in peace for the good of civilians on both sides, but tbh, both regimes come across as a shower of sociapathic c*nts. I don't care how many military targets Israel hits, or Iran hits. If they kill each others soldiers, that is the job each respective soldier joined up to do, i don't mean to sound callous but I won't be losing any sleep over it.

All of the above is different to what Israel is doing, which is, according to almost all experts and investigators, a genocide. I and almost everyone I know and speak to, left and right (and I am far from a "leftist"), am appalled that our leaders are turning a blind eye to one of its allies committing a genocide. And we all know it is. You can't starve everyone and say it's got anything to do with military aims.

The fact the Iranian regime doesn't like the Israeli regime, and vice versa, doesn't give anyone leave to let premature babies starve to death in incubators. It doesn't give them the right to withold food, aid, and water to millions of people, to shoot them arbitrarily, to destroy all their shelter and farm land. It doesn't give them the right to blow up every hospital, or to drop bunker buster bombs on refugee tents on open ground and disintegrate whole families. Israel has committed warcrimes upon warcrimes upon warcrimes, for NO MILITARY GAIN. All this destruction, and Hamas are STILL IN POWER.

You can bring up any auld stuff you want about Japan and operation meeting house, it's all rubbish. Until you start comparing this to other events in history with similar statistics, where their leaders had similar rhetoric to the Israelis leaders, where events had credible genocide accusations made by extremely serious and experienced investigators/ humanitarian groups/ human rights organizations/ aid distribution groups/ genocide scholars, you won't be coming off as the least bit credible. Call it what it is, and then defend it if you must. Don't pretend it's something else, and don't tell us we are antisemetic for seeing what is happening .

Activists kidnapped by Israel in international waters have been released after being abused and tortured. Letter home from one of them to his daughter. He was in prison in Israel when his mother died.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israels-abduction-of-avila-abu-keshek-exposes-zionist-projects-true-face/

Letter from Thiago to his daughter:

Dear Teresa,

I’m sorry for not being home with you right now.

Unfortunately your father, your mother, and so many people around the world understood the historical task that we have the responsibility to fulfil.

Today over a million children are suffering a genocide, being starved to death, being amputated without anesthesia, and suffering from horrific, hateful ideas, despite not knowing what Zionism and Imperialism is.

I’m sure you miss me too much and all the mothers and fathers of Palestinian children also miss them so much and would give anything to live a life of love, happiness, and joy that every human being deserves, independently of race, religion, ethnicity or any other characteristic.

Your world will be safer because many parents decided to give everything to build this better world for you.

I hope someday you understand that because I love you so much there was nothing more dangerous for you and for other children than living in a world that accepts genocide.

Please remember your father as the person that would sing to you and play the guitar for you to sleep. And when you grow up your mom will also tell you that your father was a revolutionary and that even when facing the most horrific people alive – Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Itamar Ben-Gvir – he stood firm to the belief of building a better world.

Please do not forget Palestine!

With all my love,

Thiago Ávila.

Its a bit of a disingenuous move really. It implies that apart from the settlements they are on board with Israels invasions and actions in Gaza and Lebanon. Its purely virtue signalling.