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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Rogue States try to remove ICC war criminal allegation against Netanyahu. Karim Khan identifies the undue processes they are using on behalf of Israel.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/icc-karim-khan-details-dangerous-attempt-states-remove-him-position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Palestine makes it to the Venice Biennale despite Italy's refusal to recognise Palestine

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gaza-no-words-see-exhibit-memory-and-resistance-at-the-venice-biennale/

    At the Venice Biennale, Palestine has no national pavilion. This is not a cultural matter. It is a political one.

    The mechanism is specific. Under the Biennale’s own rules, only states recognized by Italy are eligible to mount a national pavilion. Italy has yet to recognize Palestine, placing it among a dwindling minority of Western European countries that have not done so. The United Kingdom, France, Spain, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Malta, Portugal, and Slovenia have all taken that step. Italy has not. The result is that a bureaucratic distinction, a diplomatic choice Italy has yet to make, becomes the lock on the door of one of the world’s most visible cultural stages.

    While Israel — a state carrying out a documented genocide against the Palestinian people — continues to have its national pavilion at the Biennale, Palestine is forced to appear only through Collateral Events. This asymmetry is not neutral. It reflects the same structures of power that allow Israeli war crimes to be committed before the eyes of the world without anyone being held to account. Allowing Israel to continue participating in major international cultural events while it massacres Palestinians is an act of complicity. This is what is called art-washing: using culture to clean an image stained with blood.

    It is in this space — a space not formally granted, but occupied with determination — that the Palestine Museum US returns to the Biennale for the second time. The first participation was in 2022, with the exhibition “From Palestine With Art” at the 59th Venice Biennale. That presence opened a path. This one confirms it.
    “Gaza – No Words – See Exhibit” is an official collateral event of the 61st Venice Biennale 2026. Opened on May 9, 2026, at Palazzo Mora and open until November 22, with free admission, it is not simply an artistic exhibition. It is an act of cultural resistance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Interesting article - so as well as extermination Palestinians, stealing their land, appropriating their food culture, they are now appropriating their art.

    This all simply firms up Israel's status as a World Pariah.

    They can try and wriggle out of their international obligations and fiddle the workings of the ICC as well as votes in the Eurovision, they can commit piracy in international waters, commit War Crimes and Genocide - but the world sees what they are - a warmongering murderous state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The fourth anniversary of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh's murder by IDF snipers is on April 11. FBI unable to identify killer(s) even though the killer was named to an investigation team. Convenient for the IDF that the killer was dead before he was named!

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/5/8/cpj-demands-progress-on-us-probe-of-journalist-abu-akleh-killing-four-year

    It said the “lack of concrete progress” represents a failure by the US government to respond to the “killing of one of its citizens by a foreign military”.

    It noted that there had been no formal interviews with witnesses, “despite the willingness of multiple witnesses to cooperate”, and no signs of FBI activity to gather evidence in Israel or Palestine.

    Longtime TV correspondent for Al Jazeera Arabic, Abu Akleh, was covering Israeli army raids in the West Bank city of Jenin when she was killed by Israeli forces on May 11, 2022. She was wearing a clearly marked press vest when she was shot dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Beaten to a pulp -

    "Leaked body-camera footage from officers involved in the arrest of an Arab Israeli Southern District prosecutor appears to show him not resisting arrest and being struck by at least one officer during a Be'er Sheva apartment raid, contradicting police claims that he and his relatives assaulted officers."

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-05-08/ty-article/.premium/undercover-cops-mercilessly-beat-arab-lawyer-in-home-raid-over-noise-complaint/0000019e-0657-d2b2-adbe-06f7f0b90000



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Standard MO for the IDF and Israeli police - just lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Jesus Christ - I just saw the image of the Lawyer.

    Beaten to a pulp is right. They've destroyed his face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,408 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    hmmm…………wasn’t Mr Kerr sharing a tent with Col. Muammer Ghaddafi back in the day if I recall correctly?

    Not exactly a model of democracy the bould Colonel I would have thought.

    Rather strange volte face if I may say?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Whats your take on this?

    "Leaked body-camera footage from officers involved in the arrest of an Arab Israeli Southern District prosecutor appears to show him not resisting arrest and being struck by at least one officer during a Be'er Sheva apartment raid, contradicting police claims that he and his relatives assaulted officers."

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-05-08/ty-article/.premium/undercover-cops-mercilessly-beat-arab-lawyer-in-home-raid-over-noise-complaint/0000019e-0657-d2b2-adbe-06f7f0b90000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,059 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    He's not going to engage with you, either in a meaningful way or at all. It's all just about this 'persona' he posts under, generally in the Radio forum where it's tolerated and he clearly thinks it's as clever and edgy elsewhere on the site. I have tried to engage with him in the past too and it's just vacuous responses, if any at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    ^ "The Silwan area, located south of the Old City of Jerusalem and annexed to the city’s municipal boundaries, is home to some 20,000 Palestinian residents. Its unique location next to the Old City, near al-Aqsa Mosque for Palestinians and the Temple Mount for Jews,  puts it at the forefront  of the Israeli regime’s campaign of dispossession and displacement in Jerusalem, as part of a broader plan to cleanse the area of its Palestinian residents and Judaize the neighborhoods  surrounding the Old City " - B'Tselem

    Starry: ^ It is considered to be Judaisation. Consider the City of David project, which starts in Silwan:

    Netanyahu in 2025 uploaded a video on X showing him walking through a tunnel excavation. Bibi has declared multiple times that Jerusalem will always remain under Israeli sovereignty. Pretty awful.

    Silwan or "IR David"? Confronting the Manipulation of Archaeology to Seize Land
    Zahra Khudruj / October 30 2025
    https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1658071/

    “[...] The Antiquities Authority and the Elad Association also began constructing the Wadi Hilweh Tunnel as part of a network of underground tunnels within the development plan of what is called the City of David Archaeological Park. The tunnel begins at the Silwan Spring south of the Wadi Hilweh neighborhood, extends northward beneath the neighborhood (under Palestinian homes), and cuts under the walls of the Old City toward the Western Wall of the al-Aqsa Mosque."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Rachel Goldberg-Polin and her husband Jon have released an audio book “When We See You Again”
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DX_79kplO8e/


    This grieving mother Rachel is awe inspiring. Her 23 year old son Hersh (a dual Israeli-US citizen) was kidnapped from the Nova Festival on 7 October. His left forearm was blown off by a grenade. When Israel bombed the tunnels in Rafah in August 2024, Hersh and 5 other hostages were executed.

    Hersh was selected by his captors to give a proof of life speech in April 2024, which was released on their network channels. I can only imagine what it’s like for this mother being left with those images and the last words she will ever hear from her beloved son. I was expecting Hersh to be released in the first hostage deal in July 2024 (as part of a pre-arranged humanitarian deal), and felt profound sadness when he didn’t come home.

    Rachel, an educator, has been recognised as being a global advocate for seeking release of all the 7/10 hostages - she spoke at United Nations, 2024 Democratic National Convention...Israeli protests...had an audience with Pope Francis, and met with President Joe Biden...

    What really struck a chord with me was when Rachel publicly stated so many are suffering, not just the families of the 134 captives.... And this is when she emphasised multiple thousands of Innocent civilians in Gaza are simultaneously suffering... “There is so much suffering to go around” she said. It was truly breathtaking to hear a non partisan compassionate viewpoint. ⬅️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,606 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    How anyone can still make excuses for these terrorists is utterly beyond me at this stage. And more importantly, the continued uncritical support for the state of Israel by so many Western governments, despite all the evidence of crimes against humanity, is utterly criminal. I honestly think at this stage they could start using their nuclear weapons and nothing would be done in the West other than to criminalise anyone who takes issue with it by equating it to anti-Semitism.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    But their points are. And regardless of how anyone wants to present it, someone waltzing in with all these random quips who'll refuse to engage with anyone who wants to challenge them deserves to be called out for what they're doing.

    MOD EDIT: Mod directions are not up for debate

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Except that Iran's proxies (Hamas/Hezbollah) did start it. Israel wasn't attacking Gaza or Lebanon on the 6th of October 2023. The time to talk about "Ceasefire now" (as the Western Left did) was then - when there actually was a ceasefire.

    Genocide requires not just prohibited acts, but prohibited acts with specific intent. Otherwise, other conflicts in history that involves large scale collateral damage would also have been deemed genocidal, such as Operation Meetinghouse or the nightly air raids over Berlin in the early 1940s. Massive civilian casualties, fully excusable as acts in war aimed at forcing the surrender of the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire.

    And let's be clear - like other conflicts in which bad things happened - Israel is involved in a fight to the death. It's enemies have made that absolutely crystal clear. So if you have an opinion on the topic, you have to pick a side in the conflict. Israel and the ~7 million Jews who call it their home, or those who want wipe the State out of existence, in Iran's case, because its mere existence gets in the way of their Shia Crescent plan.

    As such, there are only two real plans for peace:

    1. The complete destruction of the State of Israel, as Iran, its proxies and useful idiots in the West want.
    2. The surrender or complete destruction of the Ayatollahs' regime in Iran and its proxies.

    As to the idea floated recently that Hamas and Hezbollah were merely guerrilla armies, again, no. Hamas has full control over Gaza, and Hezbollah operated in South Lebanon with absolute impunity.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Your notions of "real plans for peace" present a false dichotomy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Really? What compromises do you think Israel could make that would satisfy the Ayatollahs and their proxies? They've made their stance clear - Death to Israel. Which they've manifest in both word and deed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Blah blah, the left. Anything of substance to add Sean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    For one thing, a question: in the fight to the death currently taking place between Israel (and the ~7 million Jews who call it home) and the people trying to grind them out of existence (e.g. the Ayatollah's regime and its proxies), which side are you on?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    The "fight to the death" with the nuclear armed nation vs the others in the region who aren't nuclear armed? I know your opinions are at best ill-informed, and at worse completely farcical but do you actually believe this ****?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    A withdrawal from the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem under UN supervision to build a Palestinian state for starters.

    For one thing, a question: in the fight to the death currently taking place between Israel (and the ~7 million Jews who call it home) and the people trying to grind them out of existence, which side are you on?

    A loaded question. And of course trying to make the debate about "Jews" again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    They don't need to destroy Israel in one fell swoop, they can just continue attacking it, hope to repeat their successes like the 7th of October attacks, and hope to de-legitimise Israel with anti-Israel narratives abroad. Thus weakening it over time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    You think that would satisfy the Iranian government, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis etc? Or would it just leave Israel more prone to future attacks? Make it easier to attack Israel in the future? Refer back to my video on Israeli geography if you wish.

    If you actually think this would appease them, I have a bridge to sell you.

    As to it being about "the Jews" it sort of is. Almost half of the worlds Jews live there, and there is only 1 tiny Jewish state vs. dozens of Islamic nations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    That's a lot of words to say nothing Sean and it just demonstrates that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about as always. The nuclear armed expansionist, colonialist regime has nothing to fear, and useful idiots like you will excuse anything they do. The worst part is that the useful idiots extend to higher levels of governance in the EU and other Western governments, not just some clueless poster on a dying message board in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Yet you're here on the dying message board putting your point across same as SeanW?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Really? You seriously expect us to believe that Israel "has nothing to fear?" As for who the useful idiots are, the Ayatollah Khameni (rest in piss) made that clear when he wrote an open letter to US college students praising them for being useful/evil idiots choosing his side of the conflict.

    I guess you've picked your side. And I've picked mine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Maybe try to put whatever point you think you're trying to make in a more coherent way. What you've just said isn't even as remotely as edgy as you probably think it is.



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