Israel/Palestine Thread

Israel is literally committing a holocaust. What's the point of never again when the world so readily turns a blind eye?

Speaking of Mladic,

It's a pity that particular Serbian war criminal didn't have Sean on his defense team back in the day to argue that what he presided over couldn't be genocide because his forces only killed 8,000 people. He could also have utilised the look over there defense. Also he could have informed the court it was all a minor regional conflict therefore not worthy of its time. Sean w , who is more of an authority on genocide than actual scholars on subject, has concluded it's not a genocide. You really should defer to his superior knowledge on the subject, dmcdona! You are acting like he makes it up as he goes along. Totally unacceptable!

Funny, the people talking about "genocide" cannot explain how Israel should wage an all-out war against those bent on their annihilation

I believe the independent experts and international Investigators when they tell us this is a genocide. I have also given an alternative to the genocide in this very thread, adhering to international law, accountability and actual military objectives against combatants, rather than, you know, their policy of blowing up all schools/ hospitals, and of course , starving every man woman and child, which is not a military objective. You may have missed it. It's post #55620 in this very thread.

You may well disagree with this and argue that the genocide we are told Israel has/is committing is a better road, that is your right. But at least it means I will hopefully never again have to read you exclaiming that "nobody can say what Israel should have done different". Because they have.

Also, AFAIK none of the people claiming "genocide" have provided figures, for example, for the current population of Gaza.

Really. Because those who deny what almost all experts /humanitarian groups /united Nations comitees etc have deemed a genocide, have told us over and over again on this site that the population in Gaza has grown, a blatant lie. You have been guilty of this yourself. Yet you still believe it isn't a genocide, despite your lie being proven.

In reality, the estimated fall in population has been repeated here many times. It is between 6-10% lower than before the war. Births have collapsed. Infant mortality has skyrocketed 300%. There you have it.

when Israel carried out one of the most surgical strikes in history (that being the pager attacks on Hezbollah leadership) A WAR CRIME they were condemned

Fixed it for you. 

Furthermore, I also suspect that even if Israel had managed to pursue both entities with much less collateral damage, they would still have been vilified to the same degree regardless.

Is this "may as well be hung for a sheep than a lamb type comment"?

If Israel decided to fight an actual war with military aims and not commit a genocide under the guise of military aims, they would be vilified anyway, so may as well just go and do the genocide?

Open your eyes SeanW.

And as interesting (for want of a better word) as putting bombs in pagers and getting them in the hands of Hezbollah was, explain how an attack setup to go off at the same time, with no idea who was holding it, where the people were or who was around them, can be described by you as "surgical" and not almost completely indiscriminate. They were totally unable to grasp the civilian cost of their operation, making it illegal and a warcrime. If one of those Hezbolah lads was walking down Grafton Street at the time, and innocent people were blown up, there would be far from anybody calling it "surgical".

But like all your posts, you just do not care when civilians die. They mean not a thing to you.

It is a simple observation - ANYTHING Israel does gets criticism. Even operations that are very precise and have little or no collateral damage - like the pager bokmbs attached to devices only used by Hezbollah members.

42 people killed, including 12 civilians, meaning 30 were Hezbollah members.

To kill these 30 members, along with the 12 civilians killed, the attack injured roughly 4000 civilians including amputations of hands and fingers, people losing both eyes (300 people), one eye (500 people) and many suffering profound affects of shrapnel imbedded in their brain. Children and healthcare workers were killed, and many more maimed. How on earth is that surgical?? Who are you to be telling us these people's lives, innocent civilians, their bodies, their sight, are worth so little to be described by you as "little to no collateral damage"?

You do also know that boobie trapping a civilian device is completely illegal right, to prevent the shitshow being described above.

So no SeanW, it's not a simple observation that anything Israel done is criticized.

It's that no matter what they do, no matter the tens of thousands of men and women killed, the 20k or so innocent children killed, the hundreds of thousands wounded, the starvation campaign, the destruction of a whole city, - you defend it.

I don't understand it.

Bravo to Sanchez and Spain, to JM Coetzee, and to Brian Kerr and Louise Quinn

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/spain-prime-minister-sanchez-awards-un-francesca-albanese-order-civil-merit

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2026/0506/1571948-kerr-and-quinn-join-campaign-for-fai-boycott-of-israel/

Nobel Prize winner JM Coetzee has declined an invitation to the Jerusalem International Writers Festival, stating in a blistering letter that "Israel" has been conducting a "genocidal campaign" in Gaza and that "it will take many years for Israel to clear its name."

The 86‑year‑old South African‑born author, widely regarded as the world's most decorated living writer, wrote to the festival's artistic director, Julia Fermento-Tzaisler, in November explaining why he would not attend the event scheduled for 25‑28 May. While the contents of his letter were first reported by Israeli media in April, The Guardian obtained the correspondence directly.

Coetzee said he wished to state the grounds for his refusal. "For the past two years the state of Israel has been conducting a genocidal campaign in Gaza that has been vastly disproportionate to the murderous provocation of 7 October 2023," he wrote. He added that the genocide, carried out by the Israeli occupation forces, "appears to have had the enthusiastic support of the vast majority of Israel's population."

The author argued that no significant segment of Israeli society, including its intellectual and arts community, can claim to be exempt from responsibility for the atrocities in Gaza.

1940s. You're only out by about 1300 years. You could go back even further in fact.