Israel/Palestine Thread

I thought Yeah Right was strawmanning - busted.

Apologies if I misrepresented your post. I took it as saying there was a link as both the IDF and ADF soldiers used helmet cams and footage was on social media, even put to music, as you mentioned. I didn't intend to suggest that you were saying that's what Roberts-Smith did so apologies if that's how it came across. I was trying to point out that actions like filming combat, murder etc and putting it to music on social media isn't unique to the IDF or the ADF. It's actually quite common among soldiers and terrorists alike.

As for being over the top about wild green, I disagree. Based on experience and reading this thread, if a poster isn't condemning Israel and/or the west, they get attacked.

Hopefully others will join in.

Not that I care about the Eurovision in any case, but it's good to see at least some moves having in competitions where Israel are taking part. They shouldn't even be in it in the first place irrespective of their disgusting behaviour.

Starry: A right to a fair trial is a fundamental human right

PM Bibi Netanyahu voted in favour of the Gallows Law.

Afaik, the Israeli draconian and discriminatory “Gallows Law” hasn’t been discussed in depth on this thread. Law experts are saying it removes fair trial protections and restricts appeals. Below is a quick overview:

An in-depth look at Israel's new death penalty law’
‘The new law, introduced by Israel's far-right government, was passed in parliament on Monday night. It imposes the death penalty on Palestinians convicted of fatal attacks.’
By Tania Krämer Jerusalem, March 30, 2026
https://www.dw.com/en/israel-passes-controversial-death-penalty-law/a-76586475#:~:text=Only%20if%20the%20court%20determines%20that%20there,and%20avenues%20for%20appeal%20are%20extremely%20limited

“The law has two different tracks relating to trials in criminal courts in Israel and in military courts in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. The latter are under Israeli military administration and exclusively try Palestinians living there under military law.

“Palestinians in the occupied West Bank convicted of terrorism in military courts will face a mandatory death sentence or, in the wording of the bill "... his sentence shall be death, and this penalty only.”

Starry: Gallows Law makes capital punishment by hanging the default sentence for Palestinians convicted of "deadly terrorism" in West Bank military courts. And removes the requirement for unanimous rulings - limiting judicial discretion. The ”Special Reasons” to commute to life imprisonment are undefined “Special Circumstances”..

B’Tselem released a statement before the law was passed: ”these military courts have an approximately 96% conviction rate, based largely on 'confessions' extracted under duress and torture during interrogations."

‘5 Questions for an Expert: Israel’s New Death Penalty Law’
By IMEU, [Institute for Middle East Understanding] / April 14, 2026
https://imeu.org/perspectives/apartheid/5-questions-for-an-expert-israels-new-death-penalty-law/465#:~:text=In the occupied West Bank,itself is also extremely egregious

Suhad Bishara, Legal Director of Adalah: The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel said:

“In the occupied West Bank, the law requires Israeli military courts, where only Palestinians face trial, to impose the death penalty on those convicted of intentional killings defined as “acts of terrorism” under Israeli law. A conviction only needs a simple majority of judges, not a unanimous decision. The law also makes the death penalty a mandatory sentence, stripping away judicial discretion and allowing courts to impose a life sentence only in “exceptional cases.”

Cruel and Unusual: Israel’s “Death Penalty for Terrorists” Law
By Amichai Cohen, Yuval Shany, LAWFARE / Wednesday, April 22, 2026
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/cruel-and-unusual--israel-s--death-penalty-for-terrorists--law#:~:text=The%20new%20law%20contains%20provisions,imposition%20of%20life%20imprisonment%20instead

“The new law contains provisions regarding the application of the death penalty in Israel proper, some dealing with the application of the death penalty in the West Bank, and a few relevant for both jurisdictional tracks. In Israel proper, Article 6 of the law amends the Penal Code by creating a new category of an aggravated murder offense punishable only by death or life imprisonment: intentionally causing the death of a person with the goal of denying the existence of the state of Israel (all other aggravated murder offenses under the Penal Code carry mandatory life imprisonment only).

“In the West Bank, Article 3 of the law stipulates that the minister of defense shall order the military commander (who serves as legislative authority for the territories) to amend within 30 days the existing military legislation so as to provide that a terrorist act that intentionally causes the death of a person is punishable by death, unless the military court sets out reasons establishing that special circumstances justify the imposition of life imprisonment instead.

Opinion Piece: Read in full

“The Gallows Law: Israel Moves Toward Executing Palestinian Children”
By Ramzy Baroud, April 9, 2026
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/the-gallows-law-israel-moves-toward-executing-palestinian-children/

“Though the law itself does not explicitly mention children, it does not exclude them either. Knowing Israel’s treatment and legal classification of Palestinian children, this distinction is not minor—it is decisive.

Starry: ISRAEL’S INCONVENIENT TRUTH: 64,000 CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED OR MAIMED iIN THE GAZA STRIP

20 APRIL 2026 JOINT REPORT OF UN, EU AND WORLD BANK ARE NOT BEING CLEAR ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN KILLED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ⬇️

“More than 71,000 Palestinian fatalities in the Gaza Strip including 64,000 children and a large number of women who have been killed or maimed, [15] and more than 171,000 have been injured.

Footnote: 15
United Nations (2025) Report of the Secretary-General Implementation of Security Council resolution 2334 (2016)
11 DECEMBER 2025
https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n25/349/25/pdf/n2534925.pdf

“That brings the total number of Palestinian fatalities in Gaza, according to the Ministry, to at least 70,112 since 7 October 2023, the majority of them reportedly women and children, and the number of injured to 170,986.”

^ SPIN, IF WE KNEW THE TRUTH, WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ^

Starry: Instead of getting atonement or reparations from the Israeli Zionist National government, other countries are expected to foot the bill for reconstruction.

United Nations link
Final Gaza Rapid Damage and Needs Assessment
20 April 2026
https://palestine.un.org/en/314090-final-gaza-rapid-damage-and-needs-assessment

“The Gaza Rapid Damage and Needs Assessment (RDNA) was conducted by the World Bank, the European Union (EU), and the United Nations (UN). The findings, interpretations, and conclusions expressed in this work do not necessarily reflect the views of the World Bank, its Board of Executive Directors, or the governments they represent, nor those of the EU or UN. ....

RAPID DAMAGE AND NEEDS ASSESSMENT [63pp]
April 2026
https://palestine.un.org/sites/default/files/2026-04/Gaza%20Rapid%20Damage%20and%20Needs%20Assessment%20%28RDNA%29_0.pdf

SOCIAL AND HUMAN IMPACT
“The scale and extent of deprivation across living conditions, livelihoods/income, food security, gender equality, and social inclusion, have pushed back human development in the Gaza Strip by 77 years [7]

Inside Story Presenter: Adrian Finighan (sic) speaking:

“More than 2 years of relentless Israeli attacks have decimated much of Gaza. The scale of the destruction is unimaginable. Places that were once home to vibrant communities are today mountains of rubble and buried underneath are unexploded bombs. toxic chemicals from weaponry and them unrecovered remains of thousands of Palestinians killed in Israel's genocide.”

Preamble from Felix - before hearing from the guests:
"Israel's genocidal war has transformed Gaza into a wasteland of death and debris. .... The full extent of destruction can only be determined when international inspectors are given full access to the territory. The UN, the World Bank, and the European Union have published a report on what will be needed for post-war recovery. It says $71 billion over the next 10 years will only mark the beginning."

“What’s the bill to rebuild Gaza, and who will pay?”
Al Jazeera English Apr 22, 2026
“A report by the UN and European Union estimates it will take 71 billion dollars to rebuild Gaza. About a third of that is needed just to restore essential services destroyed by Israel's war. So, how will Gaza be rebuilt and who will pay?

“So how will Gaza be rebuilt – and who will pay?
Presenter: Adrian Finighan
Guests: Xavier Abu Eid – political analyst and former communications director for the Palestine Liberation Organization
Sultan Barakat – professor of public policy at Hamad Bin Khalifa University and a specialist in post-conflict reconstruction
Raja Khalidi – director general of the Palestine Economic Policy Research Institute
Ahmed Muin Abu Amsha – music teacher living in Gaza

Records show: Wiki Gaza City “Gaza City was the most populous city in Palestine until the Gaza war caused most of the population to be displaced. Inhabited since at least the 15th century BC,[7] Gaza City has been dominated by different peoples and empires throughout its history.“ [Almost 4 millennia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City

You did not answer my question for the second time. I will ask it again. Do you regard what has happened in Palestine and Gaza as ethnic cleansing and genocide committed by Israel?

As regards Tribe, you omitted the links that I provided before showing that Jewish people strongly associate with being members of a Tribe. This is a core part of Jewish history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tribes_of_Israel

The Twelve Tribes of Israel are described in the Hebrew Bible as being the descendants of Jacob, a Hebrew patriarch who was a son of Isaac and thereby a grandson of Abraham. Jacob, later known as Israel, had a total of twelve sons, from whom each tribe's ancestry and namesake is derived: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin. Collectively known as the Israelites

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/

Some Jews prefer to use terms like “people” or “tribe” - terms that encompass more of the diversity noted above, but also have less precise definitions.

Here are some other links

https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-twelve-tribes-of-israel

https://www.jewfaq.org/who_is_a_jew

As regards the rest, you continue to misrepresent my post so I put you on Ignore but had to undo that to respond to you.

What exactly is the large UN force doing to protect Lebanese people and infrastructure from Israeli destruction teams? .

Are they just there to record what’s happening - something a drone on a camera could do?

I can’t help thinking if I was a local and being bombed I’d expect that the large international force, whose presence I had grown up with, would see the need to do more than record the demolition of my home and deaths of family members.

It seems that much of what we thought was in place to maintain international order was just a mirage.And a rogue country, willing to smash and grab a neighbours land has free rein.