Israel/Palestine Thread

Israeli internal debate itself undermines the claim. Many Israelis—journalists, former security officials, academics, protest movements—harshly criticize their own government’s actions. It would be hard to argue they are opposing the existence of their own state or siding with Iran.

You think genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. are mere student union debate buzz words? Have you followed what has been happening in Palestine since the 1940s - over 80,000 dead Palestinians since October 2023; one quarter of a million injured, many blown to pieces smeared on walls and pavements, the Nakba?

Regarding your comment on war crimes, you should read the sentence more carefully. The campaign to smear the ICC and ICJ, Francesca Albanese, the aid agencies, the aid charities, etc. are designed to paralyse the organisations that they work for by making them unable to function. I have simplified it for you.

I oppose the genocide, the ethnic cleansing, the resources grab, the colonialism, the removal of the status of international organisations in relation to providing humanitarian aid and taking action against war crimes.

I'm well aware of what's been happening in Palestine since the 40s and before that actually. It was part of a history course I did at university that focused on modern conflicts with ancient origins. Funnily enough, Ireland was also studied in that course.

Telling me to read more carefully is a bit hypocritical when you didn't read what I wrote about war crimes being prosecuted. You just went into attack mode.

I'm sorry but that sentence still reads like you oppose taking action against war crimes 😆

I oppose anti-semitism against Jews who have humanity. I oppose Islamophobia against Muslims who have humanity. Jews and others supporting or committing genocide and ethnic cleansing, of people whom they have described as animals, are not included as I do not support the murder of 80,000 plus Palestinians since October 2023 and the savagery shown in the deliberate destruction of all human habitation in Gaza. I do not regard opposing the colonialism and ethnic cleansing and genocide being committed by Israel as anti-semitic.

When you say you oppose genocide and ethnic cleansing, do you accept that Israel has and is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Palestine?

My interpretation of wildgreen’s brief post a week or more ago: He was making an important point about the glacier pace of legal accountability and giving a ray of hope to Palestinian survivors and families of victims, and others, that may be years later legal justice will be delivered (perhaps cases such as recent arrest of Roberts-Smith, guilt yet to be determined in criminal court). Well done to Australian Public Prosecutor.

IMV, there are striking parallels with CULTURE OF IMPUNITY by IDF soldiers in Gaza (filming and live streaming their war crimes - posting videos on YouTube, X, Facebook, Instagram - even adding music)... Many of these soldiers have now been identified.

AND, shockingly, some ADF soldiers (allegedly Roberts-Smith):

What happened in Afghanistan, as captured on helmet cameras worn by the Australian Special Forces and their SAS and commando regiments… Reportedly, SOME Australian soldiers tried to cover up their war crimes (i.e., cold-blooded executions of Afghani civilians on record...).

Both Israeli (you would have to be living under a rock not to have watched these on your tv screen or on social media…) and Australian soldiers committed serious breaches of international humanitarian law and rules of engagement (targeting civilians...).

“The First Live-Streamed Genocide”: Al Jazeera Exposes War Crimes Israeli Troops Filmed Themselves
Democracy Now! 1.1M views 1 year ago

“Genocide in Gaza through the eyes of Israeli soldiers | The Listening Post”
5,033,914 views Mar 3, 2024

The sick & depraved society that is Israel still targets journalists

I didn’t say the ADF posted videos of their war crimes on social media. That’s your misrepresentation of my post. David McBride, a former military lawyer, was the primary whistleblower responsible for exposing Australian war crimes. He leaked classified military secrets - McBride gave the material (helmet camera footage, drone footage ...) to ABC journalists, which resulted in the "Afghan Files”... One ABC journo used this material to reveal that ADF had committed and / or covered up war crimes in Afghanistan. The Brereton Inquiry followed... finding credible evidence of unlawful killings of civilians and prisoners in Afghanistan (2007 to 2013.).

By political reporter Matthew Doran / Thu 19 Nov 2020
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-19/afghanistan-war-crimes-report-igadf-paul-brereton-released/12896234

“A culture of secrecy, fabrication and deceit has cast a heavy shadow over the legacy of the Australian special forces deployment in Afghanistan, with a landmark inquiry recommending 19 soldiers be investigated by police for the "murder" of 39 prisoners and civilians, and the cruel treatment of two others.
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Major General Brereton said none of the incidents being referred to the AFP [Australian Federal Police] could be discounted as "disputable decisions made under pressure in the heat of battle".

"The cases in which it has been found that there is credible information of a war crime are ones where it was, or should have been, plain that the person killed was a non-combatant," he said.

@Yeah Right , TBH, I think your post is over-the -top about wildgreen, who briefly shared some good news about the long arm of the law catching up with those who think they are above it. As for standing by your point - “It is a tale / Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.” - Shakespeare