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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    All in all I have no idea what to take away from this tournament. 35 players used which is good. 4 wins out of 5 has to be a good result.

    But 2 great performances, 2 pretty abject ones and not entirely sure what to think about the French game.

    I'd still expect us to lose to France, NZ or SA but there was nothing even close to consistency in the performances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Our aerial game is pretty dire. France and Scotland had us on toast for the most part. We could do with more variation in our attacking kicks, we don't test teams enough with dinks and chips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭puntosporting


    I dont think France would have had it so easy if we had met later but thts pure speculation on my behalf!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    Tom O'Toole has been quietly very impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,976 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    People keep talking about moving Osbourne to 12. Right now he's one of the best full backs in the game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    I think the most important thing is kids learning how to take tackles. You can learn body position when you are young and flexible.

    A mate asked me to fill in J2 numbers when I was 38. Hadn't played in 20 years. Ended up having to start! Stick me at 14 where I won't see the ball! Got hammered. Totally forgot how to hit and get hit. Broken nose, two black eyes, a broken finger, and only for the grace of Bod, I could have broken my neck. Muscle memory forgot me! Never again. Lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    where are we with Ireland 10 - is Frawley now no 2 behind Crowley and possibly Byrne no 3? Does Prendergast not make WC squad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭bigmac86


    Hes showing his value as a utility bench option but did frawley play 10 at all in either of his bench appearances?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    You never know...

    I have a bet with a Munster mate that Munster will start a game with Wood 10 and Crowley 12 before the end of 26/27 season....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Great win, I remember well the excitement of winning a triple crown and given how this 6N started this is one of the sweetest

    Andy Farrell and the coaching ticket have the final say and have confounded the doubters

    Crowley yo-yo has hopefully brought him to a new level and if he can maintain consistency from here we’re in a good place

    McCloskey has been immense, so too JGP and the depth of Ireland has been greatly enhanced

    If I was told post France game that we would be worst case 2nd at this precise moment I would have assumed delusion

    Great way to end a phenomenal 6N



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    are you calling the BP win against Wales abject?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    He's really not. He's not even the best full back in Ireland.

    He's played really well and has shown he's more than capable of filling the role but let's calm down a bit here. The difference between him and Keenan is night and day.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes. Are you saying it was a good performance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    If we are going to continue using our outhalf as almost a third centre I think Frawley as second choice could make sense, although I've never been convinced personally.

    Of course, that's entirely dependent on JGP playing huge minutes as none of the other options have shown the ability to run the game as primary playmaker. I don't like Casey and Prendergast together because it leaves us with too many weaknesses to hide in defence, Casey and Frawley together is nightmare fuel.

    Hard to know where Prendergast sits, his game doesn't fit with what we're currently asking of our 10. He's a good option to have and has some good experience for his age now, but I think his defence needs to improve quite a bit to pressure Crowley again. The way the game is currently, being clinical from redzone opportunities is huge, and I think being able to run at Sam for five yards and quick ball is too much of an easy out for opposition teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    Tom O toole the last 2 games yet another example of why gobsjites on the Internet should reign it in a little and occasionally ask themselves maybe the coach has an idea what hes doing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Massive game from the Irish forwards, O'Toole had a super game, Sheehan all over the place, Furlong was rejuvenated. Back five in the pack incredible stuff, totally schooled the Scottish pack and Timoney continues to impress. Doris had monster workrate all game. McCloskey outstanding and everything good in our backs pivoted through him and once again with two genuinely pacey wingers we look a different team. Chapeau.

    Lessons from this six nations .....McCloskey a real find and you can't beat two pacey wingers....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭almostover


    Doris had 46m from 16 carries, big Stu had 55m from 12 carries.

    Stu McCloskey has been awesome in this campaign. If he can keep this form for the next 18 months he will be vital to this team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Wow thanks for those numbers, impressive stats, 16 carries from Doris is something else and defensively he was insane too, would imagine his tackle counts is off the scale. McCloskey has shown not only incredible go forward in tight contact almost always getting over the gainline but his offloading, decision making and passing accuracy has been world class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Doris is always so deceptive with his carries. He doesn't have that explosive burst like Savea or Earls, but his power is 2nd to no one. Demands a double or triple tackle and he's still getting over the gainline.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭Firstsub


    One of the most pleasing aspects to me today was the celebrating of Ulstermen, Munster, Leinster and Connacht after tries. The spirit in the team was evident



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭almostover


    18 tackles for Doris, 1 missed. Only bettered by McCarthy (19 complete, 0 missed) and TOT (20 complete, 1 missed).

    Edit: And VdF, 23 tackles complete, 0 missed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    A good day. Don’t think anyone had a poor game.

    Thought Sheehan looked somewhat back to his best, TOT was everywhere and strong in the scrum, Beirne and Doris doing their normal superhuman work, Conan and VDF both really solid and worked hard.

    Backs again were all good, McCloskey the pick of the bunch and think I heard it right that TOB has 8 tries in 9 caps? Very impressive numbers, would be brilliant if he can keep that level of scoring up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The order of the games didnt suit us, had we France later in the tournament we might well be Grand Slam Champions now.

    It was a great tournament for Osbourne, Stu, Baloucoune and Crowley.

    Our reserve scrumhalfs must be fair pissed off to be still on the bench after 70 mins in most matches.

    Now, we need England to do us a huge favour



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Our reserve scrumhalfs must be fair pissed off to be still on the bench after 70 mins in most matches.

    If they are pissed they need to try not being way, way worse than the starter and be able to implement a 9 led gameplan anywhere close to as well as him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    True, but should JGP not be available at any stage calling up a guy who spent most his time sitting on his arse isn't going to help us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Was nice to see Prendergast in the thick of it for the post match celebrations with a big smile on his face. Say what you want about where he should or shouldn't be in the pecking order he's at an age that he needs to be enjoying his rugby and that clearly wasn't the case in his appearances in this tournament.

    Think taking him out of the spotlight will turn out to be another man management master stroke by Farrell.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If JGP isn't available we are screwed. We play almost entirely off 9 and Casey simply cannot play that game. I'm a bit perplexed why he didn't stick with Doak for that reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    This is the same sh!te we've been listening to about Irish selections for ages, this year we had a few injury enforced changes, the world didnt end and today eveeyone is praising Farrell for using 34 players in the 6Ns.

    That kinds shows how used people are to him sticking with his regulars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Thought that was a high quality game. Definitely the best Scotland side I've seen but I'd wonder what damage today will have done to them.

    Our pack were just superior on the day and to a man had great games.

    I'm still yet to see a Scottish centre ever outplay an Irish one at test level. Not sure what people are on about with Ringrose. Barring concussion he was going to be the 13 for the Lions.

    Been a real positive 6 nations. We've found depth in a number of positions. Do Ulster push O'Toole across now? He was exceptional today I thought. 9 is our biggest issue. Farrell just doesn't trust anything behind JGP.

    Don't think there is any doubt the Lions was the root cause of the bit of malaise the team were experiencing. Seem to be coming out the other side of it now though.



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