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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Recognizing that our 13 is continuously delivering poor performances, when our attack is stuttering and defense is shakey, is an entirely valid observation. Not sure why you don't want to acknowledge that. He's stymieing the attack, and had been targeted in defense. Why does he get a pass on playing like a drain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    You'd think so. But the wagons are already being circled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The 10 was not the issue, look closer at the SH and aside from his blood/HIA he got 75 minutes. Really not good enough from Andy not to be subbing him earlier.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is different from Italy how? Are you genuinely trying to claim JGP was a bigger problem then Casey?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,308 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I didn't at all like the fact that dixon stopped crowleys kick preparation for the orbourne conversion with 12 seconds left on the clock to look at sometime.

    And then re started the clock with only 12 seconds left for Crowley to kick. That is completely unfair as the whole setup is a routine.

    Did they not clarify recently that of the shot clock was stopped to check something the kicker gets the 60 seconds back? Maybe that's just in super rugby?

    And as for tempo on TMO, that guy should be told to shut the hell up unless there's something very obvious in the clips.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭almostover


    Most worryingly, both of our 10s seem to have the goal kicking yips. Wonder if a change of kicking coach is needed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog


    No, I'm claiming JGP was miles below a standard we saw him play v England.

    If Doak was as poor as JGP was tonight we'd be told he didn't grab his chance.

    Yet JGP gets 75 minutes, it's bizarre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,864 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    It was weird by the TMO… but at the same time (and I'm a big Crowley fan) you can't be missing those. I genuinely thought he might when I saw the camera shot from behind.

    He's struggled at times with the new sped-up kicking clock - plenty of times he's kicking conversions with with <5 or <3 seconds left - maybe he needs a change of routine to be able to settle, setup and kick quicker. Something's got to change anyway. As someone said, he'll be looking over his shoulder otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Is Sexton getting them to change their kicking style.

    In fairness ( I know this won't be accepted) but Crowley had received a bang to his head for his first miss kick and for the last one the TMO/Ref interrupted his prep and he had 12 seconds left on the clock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    yes

    JC laid the ball alot 'flatter' previously, not a million miles off how halfpenny would position the ball and had a slightly more 'stabbing' swing

    SP would also have the ball flatter and use a different type of tee, i can remember too much of his swing but it was a slower run up from what i remember (could be completely wrong)

    both have moved to the way of kicking thought by Dave Alred and his School of Kicking (they both use the SoK tee), which is a more 'natural'/soccer like kicking motion, but can lead to worse looking misses at times. if you look at the kicks from the last two games, JC's ball flight is pretty perfect when he catches it properly but it unfortunately can go to sh!t when he doesnt. On the other hand i think SP's misses against italy were more of a mental thinig to be honest.

    much as i understand why some are criticising the coaching (and im not a big fan of sexton being involved so soon after retiring to be honest), they are being thought the exact same things that DA though Wilkinson so i dont really know who would be an improvement in that regard. from what i can see wilkinson himself is doing the exact same drills with the england squad

    both SP and JC need to improve their accuracy though, be it adjusting their technique slightly or fixing their confidence over the ball. JC needs to speed up his routine too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    JGP is always going to remain on the pitch with a close game. And that’s the right decision as he is so far ahead and can pull rabbits out of the hat at key times. If Andy pulled him off and Ireland lost he’s get lambasted why take the risk to take off your best player?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog


    He wasn't anywhere near being our best player tonight, it's only a few games back where he was dropped because he was below par. That dropping made a difference in his game against England, maybe we need to see him getting the shepard's hook more often.

    Farrell (rightly so) was full of his praises for him after England but I bet he won't be too happy with what he delivered tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It's not smart man management though. For one, it means we're not taking advantage from a fresh player coming on and being able to up the tempo if needed. It means Doak or Casey aren't getting sufficient game time to develop. If JGP isn't playing well, then the rest of the team struggles massively. We should want to have an option to bring on someone to change things up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,100 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    A side note...

    This is a crazy time for a rugby match ...Dublin traffic at a standstill for last 2 hours.

    Friday night in Dublin...match shouldn't get licence for that time...

    Sure Garda agree...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭macraignil


    On my viewing of the game, Crowley kept the ball in play moving much faster than Sam Prendergast did in his recent run of games and it was just Wales being more prepared for a fight that meant a lot of the attack (that maybe should have been varied a bit more) did not make as much progress as I would have liked to see.

    Crowley scored a well taken try and was instrumental in other players scoring tries and while he should have converted some not very difficult (for this level of rugby) kicks I think his all round play makes up for these shortfalls in expectations. His over all play still makes him the best option in that position to keep the Irish back line working well.

    The frustrating thing in my mind is that his kicking was more reliable and whatever is going on in the background this season seems to be making his kicks less reliable than in previous seasons. If it is the influence of Sexton's coaching then maybe it is just a transitional effect and hopefully Crowley's kicking gets back to matching his all round play.

    Using a bonus point win to take sniping comments about the number ten position seems a bit nonsensical to me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't think Sexton is actually the kicking game coach but yeah maybe. They are both utterly shite.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Using a bonus point win to take sniping comments about the number ten position seems a bit nonsensical to me.

    Oh please. People have been doing this since day Prendergst starter in the jersey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭big-al




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Stockdale is good going forward

    But he's a lazy git running back to cover and I don't trust his tackling or decision making in defensive situations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Tighthead situation is troubling.

    Furlong has been going in reverse all tournament and Clarkson is still pretty unproven.

    TOT maybe after our LH crisis is over?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Stockdale played well last night. Good try, nice pop to Osborne for his try, and a couple of other threatening moments, plus he seemed sound to me. It was a decent night for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Doak did really well. His passing was sharp, he put up a cracking box kick and controlled things well when he was on the pitch.

    I did laugh to myself though when his very first act as an international rugby player was to get done for a crooked feed, which is something refs vurtually never call out. Added to the fact that the ref who gave the free is in fact a retired scrum half just added to the irony. Although given his history with us I suspect Dickson was looking for it and was just being a ba****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'll give Dickson some credit here, it's a law in the game thats sadly not refereed and it was good to see it penalised. It would sort a lot of the scrum mess out in the game if the hookers were forced to hook and the props forced to prop them up while doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I reckon we need a new kicking coach - what works for sexton doesn't work for others… both Crowley and sam have suffered, I reckon.

    Captaincy needs to be looked at. Doris clearly annoyed Dickson at times last night.

    Looking at the performances against France, Italy and now Wales, the English result just points to England being a bit crap on the day.

    Doak looked good on his first performance, also compare Stockdale's disinterested jog back when Crowley was clearly going to be isolated to McCloskey busting a gut to catch Smith.  



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,308 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Haha I love the extremism of fans.

    After the England game we're all on a high and things are great, we're back baby. After a bonus point win to keep us in the companionship but a lacklustre performance it's "sack the coaches" and "bring the debutants on earlier".

    We had quite an experimental team out yesterday, with lots of changes across the board. We didn't test Wales with any real kind of invention or ingenuity in attack, and the very few times we did we cut them open.

    Yesterday was a great day to review as a foil to the English game, the shapes that worked against England were not created often enough against Wales, and we held on to the ball way too often in areas we should have kicked.

    Lessons learned, move on to the triple crown next weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Reservation would be that with a very solid and experienced 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 & 13 we dealt poorly enough with Wales directness and accuracy in defense. I'd like to have seen more tactical invention from that group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Crowley didn't help himself but I do agree with your point. As for Doris? He was grand, it was Dickson and he will always find something to upset him re Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭joedamuss


    Agree totally, totally over reaction from fans that don't really understand the game, think a big plus from yesterday was Nathan Doaks debut, he looks like the definit number two for the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Anyone know what our scrum stats are across the 6n?

    They are bound to be horrendous. It hasn't been improving either.



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