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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,622 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Watching the highlights back, he made a great effort hitting two rucks back to back to keep possession in the run up to VdF's try. A good trait to have, Schmidt would've loved that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is not ideal. Doak to come in I guess?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,622 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    Long overdue

    Doak hd been playing well even when Ulster were dreadful last season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,472 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    IMO Doak should be in the squad now regardless of Casey's injury as at least 3rd choice.

    However Doak is a different 9 to Casey, Gibson Park, Blade, Gunne and B.Murphy. He's much more from the Conor Murray school of scrum half play than those listed above, so I'm not 100% sure Farrell would necessarily see him as the right person for his gameplan, but we'll see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,081 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So if its JGP and Doak, who is in the squad as the third #9 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭typhoony


    It's disappointing that we're not producing any quality scrum-halves. At least there's a few players who will have an opportunity in the next 3 months. Problems with the back 3 injuries have given Farrell a chance to bring in players he probably would never had considered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,622 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It'll probably be Blade because of familiarity, but it should be Murphy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,081 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I wonder. Connacht's abject showings this season so far will count against either of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,472 ✭✭✭✭bilston




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Judging by U20’s where they were all on show , Gunne is well ahead , but he’s the youngest by 2 / 3 years , so for now it’s Doak for me as the man in form



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭50HX


    Doesn't really matter who is picked to replace Casey imo.

    JGP is well ahead of all of them & will now be asked to play 70mins in all of the games i'd imagine.

    Farrell doesnt really trust anybody the others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Agree with that JGP could well be in for the 80 given it’s the key game of the 6N and will likely be a fight to the end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Doak should be in on form, with or without Casey. I’ve no idea who gets the third spot now. Blade has been in multiple times but I just think it’s a waste of a spot. Any of Murphy, Devine, Gunne I would prefer. They are unlikely to see any game time bar 15 mins vs Wales anyway I would imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭typhoony


    So far all 3 look well below the standard set by JGP and Murray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Murphy & Doak are both 24 and getting more game time than Gunne who is 2 years younger but has the advantage of learning under JGP who is far and away the best 9 in Ireland and will remains so until after the 2027 World Cup. It’s an easy equation for me and Gunne is my preferred bet. Comparing the 3 to JGP is nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,803 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    JGP was incredible yesterday. All over the pitch in attack and defence. I dont remember seeing as industrious a display by a Leinster player. He wasn't perfect, kicks maybe too close to the line to allow quick restarts notable, but he's such a hard working player, unbelievable to track live for 15/20 mins. His fitness levels must be off the charts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Gunne just isn’t ready yet - he’s shown glimpses of good play here and there, but I don’t think he’s even put together one good 80 min (or 60 mins or whatever) performance where I came away with positivity on his status as a long term successor to JGP.

    My three would be JGP - Doak - Ben Murphy, but expect it to be JGP - Doak - Blade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Andrew Porter is supposedly doubtful for the 6 Nations. Awaiting scan results on his calf, but rumoured he could be out for up to 8 weeks.

    Paddy McCarthy and Jack Boyle both hurt at the moment too i believe. Leinster potentially looking at Jerry Cahir and Alex Usanov as our LHPs heading to Bayonne next weekend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Agree he isn’t ready yet, comes with the territory in Leinster under JGP (& Luke). JJ is the latest example, an injury of preferred option leads to an opportunity which Gunne will take when it arises. The U20 series 2 summers ago, 6N winners & World finalists, he was one of the obvious stars alongside Sam, Gus & Paddy McCarthy, Gleeson, Ruadhain Quinn, Hugh Cooney & Henry McErlean. Both Lancaster / Farrell seems to prefer Blade and Murphy’s weak spot is defence. So if he’s available I think you’re right 

    That’s very bad news on the front row injury list , it’s similar to last 6N with Dan & Kelleher , but easier to fill the hooker than prop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Leinster and Munster both seem to have issues with discipline at the moment, I think that’s a given. But both teams are being refereed slightly differently, particularly by English referees. It was quite obvious from watching that Carley either has an issue with Doris, or was infatuated with La Rochelle on Saturday. Spoke with the two teams completely differently.

    Similarly I thought Dickson made some very harsh calls against Munster on Sunday.

    It doesn’t bode too well for the 6 nations. It’s mainly on Leinster and Munster to fix their discipline, but I do think Ireland/Irish teams are being refereed slightly harsher at the moment.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,526 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


     JGP who is far and away the best 9 in Ireland and will remains so until after the 2027 World Cup.

    I think some people forget how bang average JGP was at the very start of his career, and how quickly that changed. There is no reason why one of the younger 9s can't do the same and take it up a level in 2026.

    JGP is 33 now. Things can change quickly at that age. All it could take is an niggle/injury, or a drop in form.

    Personally, I would like to avoid a repeat of the 10 situation where our best player retires and we then realise we're left with 2 options, neither of which are really much good and with a real lack of match experience.

    There is absolutely no reason for JGP to be togging out for 70 odd minutes in every 6N game. Farrell needs to be maximising the value of the minutes available to him this 6N at 9. We have at least 2 home games we will win playing in 3rd gear, there are no excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    I don't necessarily agree with the broader point, I think there's been a good willingness to play Gunne and he's gotten plenty of minutes for a 22-year-old; he just hasn't shown enough in those minutes. I'm not writing him off; I think one of the real challenges of playing 9 is the decision-making and it only kind of comes from exposure and experience, but I don't think he's where he needs to be yet where I'd consider him ready for any kind of higher honours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Agree with this from awec:

    I think some people forget how bang average JGP was at the very start of his career, and how quickly that changed. There is no reason why one of the younger 9s can't do the same and take it up a level in 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    @awec on the scrumhalf options

    'Personally, I would like to avoid a repeat of the 10 situation where our best player retires and we then realise we're left with 2 options, neither of which are really much good and with a real lack of match experience.'

    This is absolutely where we're heading. I'd favour Doak as our bench 9 at 6N. Previously I'd thought of him as poor man's Murray but in fairness he has performed very well this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Irelands most important player.

    In 'Open play' he just reads the game brilliantly.
    Highlighted with his contribution in that exceptional try by Leinster v LaR

    65' Leinster 12-17 LaR. 1 MIN Later vdF Try.

    LaR knock-on outside Leinster 22.


    GP is there to pass it on to Byrne (who does well to gather)-to-Prendergast.
    Prendergast Kicks from the 22 to space just outside LaR 22.
    West chips over the top....
    GP is then the one there to cover tacklce/compete with West.
    Possesion secured by Kenny cleaning the ruck.
    Tommy 'Road Runner' O'Brien flies up to take a pass at an angle.
    GP recognises the running line of Road Runner and pass is perfect.
    Kenny also cleans this ruck (with Joe Mc).
    GP-Byrne-Clarkson-Prendergast-Doris-Henshaw-Conan-vdF-TRY

    66 LvLaR.PNG


    Exceptionl team try and a great finish from vdF.
    (vdF is down in his 22 after an off-the-ball hit at start of move)

    65 LvLaR.PNG

    From an Irish point of view that try was great to see.
    The handling, passing, rucking, running lines and kicking were all on the money.

    It was also the best game* I've seen from Prendergast. *Not his place kicking
    (Interestingly I think he was playing FB for that try after HB came on)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    This is probably a blessing in disguise because we now have to pick someone who is not Casey. Even if it ends up being a disaster, we'll learn something.

    And tbh this is half the problem. No one has really put their hands up to be that someone. Blade is grand and no more, Murphy looked good for a while and faded, Gunne isn't really justifying the hype. Doak is probably the best option but even he's had his ups and downs the last couple of years. None of them have really made a strong case to be third-choice, let alone overtake Casey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    And it'll prob be Blade on the bench v Fra! Farrell doesn't trust Doak. Yet.

    Doak should have been playing in the AIs



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Blade is injured. Anyone know when he is back?



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