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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Rugby World Cup's are already wildly profitable, just not for the actual teams that people are paying to watch.

    World Rugby made £381.4m from the 2019 RWC in Japan (the most profitable ever) - 65% of this came from the global sales of TV rights packages.

    The host nation gets the benefits of retaining the ticketing revenue, but rarely profit from this as they typically invest substantial money to host the tournament (albeit their wider economy likely does very well out of hosting - EY estimated the net boost to the French economy was c. €871m from RWC 2023). Despite this, FFR lost around €13m hosting the 2023 tournament.

    The South Africans have publicly come out and said they won't be bidding for any forthcoming RWCs as they don't consider them sufficiently financially lucrative versus the risk of the guarantees their government are asked to underwrite to World Rugby.

    World Rugby however made a whopping €500m from the 2023 RWC. It really isn't clear where this money is spent. Some is transferred back to the participating unions over the following years, but per Kevin Potts of the IRFU and Bill Sweeney of the RFU, it doesn't cover the costs they lose from participating.

    Even the winner doesn't do especially well out of it - the prize money for winning in 2023 was £4.6m, with semi-finalists guaranteed £1.2m, and defeated quarter finalists £600k.

    This is why it's been described by Kevin Potts as "a value transfer from the unions to the tournament".

    Given the precarious state of the global finances of the game, this doesn't seem long term sustainable.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,303 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    its mad to think that if you come in 5th place in the 6 nations every year, you earn more money than winning the world cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    To be clear, I never said you opinion is daft. The conclusion you came to on why Humprey's did away with the 7s program is daft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    The World Cup is the only profit making event for World Rugby. Everything else they do makes a loss, Autumn Internationals, 7s, Under 20s, Womens' WC. The World Cup needs to fund the following 4 years of investment. And if the sport is to grow smaller nations need more support than the bigger nations.

    Tier 1 nations are in a much healthier position to cover a bad year than Tier 2 and Tier 3.

    Also the model has changed where in 2023 France paid World Rugby €500 million to be able to host the tournament, they were then responsible for the running of the tournament and took all the profits. From 2025 World Rugby are now running the event themselves so will receive all the profits. I don't think 2025 made any profits but we will see in 2027 if the change of format was the correct decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    Yes this is



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    How do the AI matches lose money?

    Aren't they run by Six Nations Ltd. anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If the AIs are losing money then get rid of them. They aren't that important.

    It'd make the World cup more exciting too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,008 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think the Autumn Internationals will become part of the global league from 2026. Their future is pretty much guaranteed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Going to emerging countries and playing another tier 1 team there and bringing an 'A' team to face the host country is a far better idea. I can't imagine that would incur a loss of money either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,049 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The AIs are very profitable and nothing to do with World Rugby



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    Sorry, that was my mistake. AI's are very profitiable for the unions. My point was that the World Cup is the only event World Rugby runs which is profitable. Nothing else is.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    As others have said the dont lose money for home unions and they would be replaced as unions cant afford to get rid of them.

    That does need to happen more but not at expense of enough games against big southern hemisphere sides which brings in money that funds rest of game in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You can have those games in emerging countries between northern and southern hemisphere teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Yep, no problem having AI games in neutral venues if that brings the game to new audiences. However, the hosting Union would have to cover the costs and agree to the gate receipts + TV rights going to the Tier 1 sides. Can't see that happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    They can just pay the teams a fair amount and take the gate and tv money. That means nobody should lose out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,209 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    the NH team that was due to host a SH team in an AI would lose out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Would it not be better that neither team has a loss?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Each Union uses the profit it makes from home game ticket & merchandise sales to fund it's operations at national, provincial, academy & club levels. Each Union shares in the overall revenue from TV coverage.

    Not hosting home games in the Autumn internationals means less money for the provinces and the clubs.

    Tier 1 sides need the income from AI & 6N home games more than they need to play away matches in Tier 2 countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    It's becoming an awful lot harder to not call for the inclusion of JJ Kenny into the Ireland squad. He's on 9 tries in 7 professional appearances now, I think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 geoff2204


    Jeez I hope there’s a big refresh in the squad for 6 nations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭50HX


    I'd be surprised & disappointed if he wasnt called up to have a look at him.

    When is the last time any provincial club had a winger with that scoring return that early in his debut season?

    He has work to do defensively but is an exciting prospect.

    Zac Ward is probably more deserving of a call up tbf but I can't see why both can't be looked at...light a fire under all wingers both currently in & out of the squad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,622 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Winger should be a position where the coach ought to be backing the hot hand. Kenny is a scoring machine this season, looks in much better form than Lowe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    We'd know nothing about Kenny only for the sevens and we've dumped that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,049 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Kenny is amazing but still very raw. His highlights are balanced by a pretty high number of mistakes. Worth a call up, especially since we’re so thin in the backs, but not ready for 6N action IMO, I would have Ward ahead of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Would be calling up both Ward and Kenny definitely. Stockdale and TOB both pretty much guaranteed to be named bar injury.

    Stockdale will likely be played there, but with Keenan, Jimmy O Brien, Frawley and Lowry all injured, I’m not sure who else will be there that covers 15. Shane Daly maybe?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Keenan should be back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,472 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Have there been any updates on him? I know some players can sometimes be dropped straight in, but you'd think he'd need minutes before Paris which is (amazingly) only 4 weeks away now.

    Regards Kenny, he looks to have something about him alright, the Irish backline is crying out for something different and the likes of Kenny and Ward could provide. No reason they both shouldn't get picked in the wider squad.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Leinster saying nothing as is their wont. The man himself said he was aiming for mid-Jan.

    Would definitely prefer him to get minutes, but he is going to get dropped straight in if needs be given the alternatives (or massive lack thereof).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Kenny seems very like Keenan, in the way he seemlessly moves up to the next level. Reckon you could throw him into a 6 nations match and he'd still look good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭50HX


    There's bags of potential with him

    I would be throwing him into a 6N's game just yet.

    Then again if Farrell fancies him....



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